GrahamS - would you tell my managers that & the information dept - as I don't think thay are aware
Again there is frontline & then front line - as a nurse I have face to face contact with patient (service users) - who are in the main physically fit & well (although may have multiple chronic physical health problems) they are not at any increased risk from me as they are from any other memeber of the public who they may come across - equily my risk from them is much the same as it is with anybody else
GrahamS - would you tell my managers that & the information dept - as I don't think thay are aware
Same story in every job eh? Up the workers etc. 😀
they are not at any increased risk from me as they are from any other memeber of the public who they may come across - equily my risk from them is much the same as it is with anybody else
Yep, but there is still the other consideration of who would look after these patients with "multiple chronic physical health problems" if there was an outbreak and half your regions nurses and doctors were bedridden with the flu?
Graham S your looking again but at a Value
But its the common worker thats going to spread the Flue has to say
has there more chance of catching it IE Life style,habitat and travel.
The Doctors and nurses have been given Plastic throw away
Gowns and masks plus and the usual latex gloves and Alcohol based hand gel and this has been increased around all Hospitals and Day centres.
What they do advise is that you stand a least 1 metre away from the peron/persons you are talking to.
Its quiet simple who will look after these people when ill
They get in agency workers in as tempoarary cover.
This is normal practise.
grantway in my case, I take my wife into hospital and out again, so she sees me, and then the frontline nurses who administer her antibody treatment. So in our case id rather they be vaccinated....
we are just one example tho
But my personal and honest oppinion I will not have the Vaccine
and thats from most of the Pharmacys I know within London and the Doctors and Nurses I know too.
not meaning to sound offensive, but i have met doctors and pharmacists and even one of her previous consultants, whom i wouldnt trust to make me a sandwich, let alone allow to influence my thinking on this issue (or any issue).
cant believe there are people who believe hearsay over the CDC and NHS experts, but hey it takes all sorts i suppose.
Graham S your looking again but at a Value
Sorry, but pardon? Do you ever post anything that doesn't sound like a cross between a riddle and a copy-editor's nightmare? 😕
I think you [i]might[/i] be accusing me of saying that doctors and nurses are generally more valuable? I'm not. I'm saying that in a proper outbreak of a pandemic, I would rather have doctors and nurses available than builders.
If there is a sudden outbreak of house shortages then I'd rather have builders.
its the common worker thats going to spread the Flue has to say
has there more chance of catching it IE Life style,habitat and travel
I don't think that's true. Mainly because I don't think the "Life style,habitat and travel" of doctors and nurses is that much different from the "common worker" (other than possibly working longer hours and being exposed to more ill people).
The Doctors and nurses have been given Plastic throw away Gowns
My wife is a doctor, she wears her own clothes to work and is expected to wash any blood, sweat and [i]fluids[/i] off them at home in our washing machine. 😐
That is fairly typical for doctors I believe.
Its quiet simple who will look after these people when ill
They get in agency workers in as tempoarary cover.
This is normal practise.
"Agency workers" are just other doctors and nurses - there isn't a limitless supply of them. In fact in some districts it can be hard getting enough locum cover for normal day-to-day running of the hospital.
Not hearsay these are people who I know more than hello Doc
Ive got a cold.
Thats fine tim but what about the things shes touching.
What they call invisable germs?
NHS experts LOL bit like the Tory Prat that told everyone Beef at the time was safe and gave a burger to his kid to prove it was safe But then it was'nt!
I would not believe them if you paid me most of my clients are in media and press or number crunching in the square mile they tell more than I need to know so No I wont take the jab/vaccine
...most of my clients are in media and press or number crunching in the square mile..
So people who have a first-rate understanding of epidemiology and virology then? 🙄
Yep, that's who I'd get my impartial medical advice from: journalists and accountants.
well yes when One is the Science editor for the Times
Its quiet simple who will look after these people when ill
They get in agency workers in as tempoarary cover.
This is normal practise.
Hmmm, good luck with that, I've ran three shifts short in the last 7 days, as I couldn't get agency cover. I wouldn't want to be relying on this when it becomes
* Then it would need paying for 😐a complete Hollywood style nightmare.
On a quick tot up I've got about 85% of my team booked in for the jab, and this would be higher but for those on leave/ sick etc, and a few of the slow to chase after.
*disclaimer - much as I would love such a scenario, especially as I would be hoping for some Hollywood style love interest, I'm struggling to picture it. Although it is my favourite lol STW quote of the year to press!
well yes when One is the Science editor for the Times
could he edit your posts?
[url= http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6216297.ece ]You mean this science editor of the times?[/url]
Mark Henderson? Well I'm sure a Science Editor is probably a qualified expert in all aspects of science, rather than say a generalist who needs to cover everything from climate change to shuttle launches and human cloning to swine flu.
What does he have to say:
[b]Is there a problem with developing the vaccine so quickly? How is it being tested?
[/b]
[u]The European Medicines Agency has strict processes for licensing pandemic vaccines[/u], but these [i]could[/i] be cut to only five days if stocks are needed urgently.In 1976, a vaccination programme was launched in the United States after an outbreak in Fort Dix, New Jersey.
The strain killed one person and put 13 in hospital, but side-effects from the vaccine caused paralysis and 25 deaths.
Virologists emphasise that procedures for developing and testing pandemic vaccines have moved on. [u]More than 40,000 doses of the vaccine on which the swine flu vaccine is based have been given without any safety concerns.[/u] “Mock versions”, containing proteins from the H5N1 avian flu, have been tested with no serious side-effects.
-- [url= http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6721297.ece ]The Times, Swine flu and vaccination: questions and answers, July 21, 2009[/url]
well yes when One is the Science editor for the Times
i just re read your post, are you referring to yourself as one, there?
*Toff accent on
"well my good man, I have a spiffing mastery of the English language, one is the Editor of the Times, dont you know?"
*Toff accent off
GrahamS - MemberMark Henderson? Well I'm sure a Science Editor is probably a qualified expert in all aspects of science....
You'd think so wouldn't you, but he's has neither a single science qualification nor any experience of science at academic or practical level - he does have a rather spiffing history degree from Oxford though and is a thoroughly splendid chap, what what......
..science journalists, I've shat'em 😆
Well ain't getting mine now I'm doing interviews the day their visiting my station. 😆
Graham S good chatting with you but cannot say no more
Lieth Hill is a good place to ride 😉
Have you said too much? Are you a spy?
Well that explains the riddles and the coded messages I suppose.
Don't worry old bean, mum's the word.
Lieth Hill is a good place to ride
The "trails" in the "Forest of Dean" are "many and muddy".
Beware the red fox.
Just back from Hollywood.... 😉
...with a sore arm.
As I said, the problem is less the actual disease, and more the effect it is having on critical care services by taking up a percentage of already rare critical beds...
I've had the jab because we are already struggling to staff our unit thanks to illness, and this in turn increases the pressure on both staff and services.
I've had it too because I've seen how ill people can be when they have it, and I don't want to get that ill.
..........I also strongly believe that people have the right to refuse medical treatment and any compulsory or coerced treatment needs a far greater threat and level of proof of need than we currently have.
.....and would be in contravention of the European Human Rights Act !
Unless 'they' could prove that by refusing to have the jab you were obviously not of sound mind and therefore incapable of making that rational decision 8)
Back to thread. No i wont be getting the jab. Our LHB (that's the welsh for primary care trust) in their wisdom have decided that all GP practice workers have to travel 15miles during working hours to get immunised. The likelehood that our staff will get covered then is slim. I have pointed out to the LHB that this is bonkers especially in view of the fact GP practices immunise their staff for normal seasonal flu.
So after months of pandemic planning our local learned infectious disease wizards have decided it will be a good idea to make it difficult for frontline staff to get immunised. this is going to decrease rates of frontline staff covered. Am i going to cancel a surgery to get this jab no... if i could get this done at the surgery i work which is immunising patients currently then yes. welcome to the crazy world of the nhs. And oh yes weve had a dictat from above telling us not to use our swine flu vaccine on ourselves or our staff unless we are patients of the practice and in an at risk group!
Just had it.
I felt like poo for about three hours the day afterwards, like a kind of the-flu-is-a-coming-to-get-you-boy kind of way, but then felt fine, and have done a couple of hours on t'bike today with no ill effects.
I've had seasonal flu in one arm, swine flu in the other, and I'm off for a night ride this evening. 😆
...and when everyone else succumbs to it, we'll be KINGS, KINGS OF THE WORLD, KINGS I SAY!!!!
Sorry, got a bit excited there..
My employer gave us the seasonal jab without waiting for the swineproof one, so I will have it, but not for another 10 days.
