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Well my commute just got 40% cheaper this morning, can’t fault TGFM Metro Value at the moment
Lucky you, meanwhile up here fares are going up by 3.1%, only 1 in 4 trains run on time on our line and IIRC 1 in 8 trains are cancelled. Our regional equivalent of TFGM got its balls cut off years ago and left with the Glasgow Subway and whatever bus services First cant be ****ed with any more to play with.
Then folk wonder why folk drive everywhere?
I'd love an EV, especially as a second car alongside my petrol Landcruiser, then I'd have the best of both worlds 🙂
What the **** is a BEV?
I’ve only just stopped thinking about woofers, Alpine head units, finned amplifiers, dodgy lighting, tinted windows and RENAULT 5’s (don’t ask) when ICE is mentioned.
It’s just like a religion thread this 😂 some things never change 😉
**** it, have an 🥑
Battery Electric Vehicle.
No idea why you'd not just use EV though.
The affordable BEV (at least on a lease) with realistic range is here now in the shape of the Hyundai Kona and Kia eNero.
Not really. Why is the elective version £9,000 more than the petrol or diesel (and for a point I made a few pages back £9,000 is very to close to my figure of £10,000)
If the electric version was £16,000 I am sure people would seriously consider against a petrol, however £9,000 extra is not really viable within most peoples budgets.
I’d love an EV, especially as a second car alongside my petrol Landcruiser, then I’d have the best of both worlds
Lol reminds.me of a mate who had one in Oz, lived remotely so basically had to fill it up whenever he saw on open garage #rangeanxiety 😉
You're not allowed to mention people living in Oz in this thread, reality doesn't fit with the fanboi worldview.
The affordable BEV (at least on a lease) with realistic range is here now in the shape of the Hyundai Kona and Kia eNero
You could get a lot of ICE car for £450 a month (base spec 39KWh Kona, no options on a 3+35 8k mile allowance), although to be fair the base spec has decent equipment. 9.7sec 0-60 is a bit meh though and Hyundai's web-site states 42 week lead time to buy one!
Kona in meh shocker 😛
Battery Electric Vehicle.
No idea why you’d not just use EV though.
The Hydro Electric Vehicle, with it's 25,000L range extender bowser , wasn't quite such a success.
The affordable BEV (at least on a lease) with realistic range is here now in the shape of the Hyundai Kona and Kia eNero
You could get a lot of ICE car for £450 a month (base spec 39KWh Kona, no options on a 3+35 8k mile allowance), although to be fair the base spec has decent equipment. 9.7sec 0-60 is a bit meh though and Hyundai’s web-site states 42 week lead time to buy one!
Sure its pricey vs the equivalent spec ICE car but that will change quickly over the next 2-3 years. I still say its affordable and certainly affordable to many more people than £700 a month for a Tesla Model S and the running costs will be lower than the equivalent Kona ICE powered car. Looks like there is demand for them as well with 42 week lead time you quoted- Hyundai cant make enough of them!
"Hyundai cant make enough of them!"
or don't want to.
"You’re not allowed to mention people living in Oz in this thread, reality doesn’t fit with the fanboi worldview."
EV in oz makes more sense than many other countries. The vast majority of its 24 million population live in urban areas and rarely drive out of them. Abundant sunshine would give a huge solar PV boost which can be channeled into vehicle batteries and then back to grid again. it could be an renewable EV utopia but unfortunately the govt is going backwards on this.
The vast majority of its 24 million population live in urban areas and rarely drive out of them.
Yet the top two biggest selling vehicles are 4x4 trucks.
Yes that was rather my point. I'm afraid as this thread shows,apart from early adopters people will generally only buy change and alter their lifestyle if they are forced to by government policy or by overwhelming product push/lack of alternatives by private companies. However Australian car manufacturers push trucks and the government doesn't care.
However Australian car manufacturers push trucks and the government doesn’t care.
I thought the Australian manufacturers all closed up and everything's imported now. They used to make cars in Oz and import trucks. What happened?
"Get on zap-map"
Whose privacy policy is quite good, although they do refuse to delete.
"Chargemap"
Whose app wants full access to your email and contacts, who "can't guarantee that data exchanged will remain confidential and who want you to accept full liability for their actions.
"I’ll add Podpoints"
Who reserve the right to sell your details to people marketing EV services.
Whereas I can just turn up at a petrol station and buy diesel without handing over my entire life history.
Charging should be about turning up, plugging in and providing a credit card, not about surveillance.
And then there's:
"They discovered that the problem was down to a software issue, and an update sorted it. "
The car makers can, Apple style, arbitrarily change range and performance post-purchase. Or, in the case of Tesla, remove the cruise control during an update.
Still waiting for micro-nuclear reactor power.
Why have range anxiety, or 74 apps tracking everything you do and everywhere you go, when you can have permanent power for the life of the vehicle?
Charging should be about turning up, plugging in and providing a credit card, not about surveillance.
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Quite why BMW have dropped the range extender form their horrendously expensive i3 is frankly “ludicrous”Guessing people weren’t buying it.
75% of i3s sold in the UK had the range extender. It's more likely that they belive the newer model with the 200mile pure EV range is deemed to be sufficient to remove range anxiety. Removing the REX and its associated gubbins saves over 100kg.
Yes that was rather my point. I’m afraid as this thread shows,apart from early adopters people will generally only buy change and alter their lifestyle if they are forced to by government policy or by overwhelming product push/lack of alternatives by private companies.
Or because its cheaper to buy and run which BEVs will be eventually
OK charging is a mess just now but does anyone here honestly believe that in time that wont be sorted and you will be able to rock up to any charge point with a debit/credit card.
Or because its cheaper to buy and run which BEVs will be eventually
OK charging is a mess just now but does anyone here honestly believe that in time that wont be sorted and you will be able to rock up to any charge point with a debit/credit card.
absolutely this-
im well aware ill be in an EV one day - and itll probably be my next car for sure.
but i hate buying cars so tend to keep them ( my vehicles are currently 30/14 and 4 years old ... none bought new) - its all still a bit betamaxxy and a race to achieve the standard for me right now to buy something id like to keep for many years to come. And when i speak to those that are not getting them on company cars/company incentives that seems to be a popular reasoning.
how ever ill keep on the good fight of using the bike/ebike where i can so that the car doesnt space polution as well as emissions polution. the twizzy is ahead of its time !
I like the Tizzy concept and it would be good to see us moving in that direction where a small simple electric vehicle was main vehicle of choice for our daily commutes. But, yep we are not there yet.
I don't see your average person wanting to use one in the daily commute in the current weather. It's just too stripped back, eg aren't the doors extra? Even with doors I believe they are still poor at insulating you from the environment.
I also have concerns about safety in a crash especially with the larger cars we seem to be buying these days. Kinda seems like none of the benefits of a scooter / motorbike with most of the downsides.
I think something like a EV Smart car is the minimum requirement for todays mass market. You're in a properly insulated shell with heating, radio etc and reasonable level of impact protection.
Tbh your right . Ironically the arms race is part of the issue - it's part of what makes many of the ev's issues.
Right now today j have less issue with the engine the car has ice or electric than I do generally with the car.
Losing friends at what seems like a rate of 1 a year to the car directly. Not it's emissions , not it's engine but the driver physically driving into people.
Bring back smaller cars where people are aware of their surroundings with much smaller blind spots instead of isolated/protected from them with big solid pillars people can't see though - they will be lighter - get better range - EV will be much more viable as a personal transport method as they will need less batteries so be cheaper and more accessable.
Won't happen , everyone needs an elevated SUV for Tarquin