[Closed] New thread, as advised by mods

I actually think this is going a bit far now, Charlie may be a bit on the sensitive side, and a bit more on the persistent side, but now we are getting gay jokes just to wind him up- and from people I thought better of.
He was after all invited to start a thread to discuss the subject.

CM - please can you keep posting here all night

But you are now achieving nothing other than a spiral down into a self made hole. Please stop. It isn't doing you any good, and it will stop people taking you seriously when you raise issues in the future.

Seems to make little difference, everytime I raise such an issue, I face a tag team barrage of argument trying to diminish the point, which is exactly the nature of microaggressions and after extended questioning of my position, the expectation is that I let it go. Funnily enough it's usually white heterosexual males who are the main actors

A third of which are baiting you and two thirds

A third of which are baiting you

I'm tempted......and I am a master at it.

.......but, I'll decline having a go at my fellow man on this occasion.

Give it up mate and go to bed.

Cougar - Moderator

Beyond trolling, what is the purpose of this thread?

Well watching mods engaging in pointless bickering is vaguely interesting. Although not exactly riveting it does keep bringing me back to the thread.

in which case I would hope you delete those posts and warn the posters

You want me to delete the entire thread, or would you like to report offending posts?

Third time lucky,

What do [b]you [/b]want to discuss?

Last chance before I just delete it.

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I want to discuss issues surrounding complaining about a post

Off you go then.

You want me to delete the entire thread, or would you like to report offending posts

No need, you appear able to identify them, you do what you see fit with baiting posts and posters.

Off you go then.

Erm.. That is what we were doing

No need, you appear able to identify them, you do what you see fit with baiting posts and posters.

We do. Don't change the subject. What are these "issues surrounding complaining about a post" you wish to discuss?

Charlie...go to bed, to peepies.

Pleeeeze!!

OK, bit first i want you to make the same demands of everyone else who starts a thread, otherwise I might get the impression that you are singling me out for special treatment

Charlie...go to bed, to peepies.

Pleeeeze!!

You really don't need to read if you are not interested. You too could go to bed

Clearly they do demand that the person who starts the thread has an issue to discuss
Usually this is made clear with title or content of the first post by a poster somewhat less recalcitrant than your good self.

But here we are on Page 3 none the wiser so enlighten us please

EDIT: are we really certain this is not ninfans PC alter ego?

first i want you to make the same demands of everyone else who starts a thread,

I don't need to make demands of everyone else who starts a thread because generally it's evident what they're talking about inside of three pages.

otherwise I might get the impression that you are singling me out for special treatment

Don't flatter yourself.

Fourth time lucky. What are these "issues surrounding complaining about a post" you wish to discuss?

It's a narrative enquiry into the results of highlighting a homophobic post within a cycling forum as well as discussimg the use of a homophobic term.

This is like watching the third series of a really complex TV show without having watched the first two or reading any synopsis. I think I'm getting there though. CM do you wish to discuss homophobia?

I just want to add, that I have nothing to add.

It seems appropriate.

Morning all! How are we today?

What time did everyone get to bed?

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I've been absent for a while. Have I missed something?

That said a good old fashioned STW flounce (assuming the word isn't offensive to anyone) is a great way to ease my way back into abnormality.

Still no idea what's going on in this thread though...

Still no idea what's going on in this thread though...

Haiku request on aisle 3.

Charlie Mingus Had
a rant over something said
Everyone got bored

What time did everyone get to bed?

Can't sleep times like these.
Been up all night refreshing.
Serious thread, yo!

A confusing post
What is charlie's problem now?
No one is quite sure

I've been up all night hitting refresh.

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

Trying really hard
But haiku are difficult
Like Charlie Mungus

Props to njee20, solid somethingion, end of thread.
Be a brave mod that closes this one however.

Props to njee20, solid somethingion, end of thread.
Be a brave mod that closes this one however.

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Deja poo - I feel as as if I've seen this shit before

....or would that be pushing it?

If Charlie can repeat himself without actually making a point so can anyone.

Pushing poo can be
Heterosexual too
It was just a joke

Well, I feel that pushing poo through someone's front door is letterosexual.

Well, I feel that pushing poo through someone's front door is letterosexual.

Yup it's not just a mail problem.

It can cause post traumatic stress

I hate it when people stuff their junk in my box.

I hate it when it's Huge Bills. That can be an unpleasant surprise.

Apostrophe?

Apostrophe?

Purposefully omitted for comedy obfuscation.

There was some kind of siege on the mods over the weekend, with CharlieMungus leading the final push. Drac died of old age while Cougar blew himself up in his bunker.

I'm feeling better.

And now this thread is full of sh!t jokes.

Can I try?

White hetero men
Fail to see their privilege
Just a joke,innit?

Thing is - as Charlie Mingus himself points out - Anal sex is not an exclusively gay act - in fact with only about 5% of men being actively primarily gay, and quite a lot of them not engaging in anal sex, and with it being increasingly common amongst the perhaps 95% of people who primarily identify as straight, most of the anal sex is been done by straights...

I think this means the original microsnide is out-dated and irrelevant anyway.

I doubt that this will end the argument though... 🙄

Oh christ. I thought it was a new dawn.

I think this means the original microsnide is out-dated and irrelevant anyway

As I said in the same post, the 'microsnide' is never applied to straights, it is a term of abuse for gay men.

well - maybe it shouldn't be, language can change. Gay poeple have reappopriated "queer", "Special" is now an insult, and I don't look forward to Snowflakes any more...

Can I try?

Too many syllables in line 2...

well - maybe it shouldn't be, language can change. Special is now an insult, and I don't look forward to Snowflakes any more...

Oh christ. I thought it was a new dawn.

*starts new thread about the failure of the mods to reprimand the blaspheming infidel who is taking the name of my Lord in vain*

Check your privilege, unbeliever.

Too many syllables in line 2...

Really? Where are you seeing them?

CM, I agree with you. "Poo pusher" is an unpleasant playground insult for gay men, and I think it has no place on here. Mods, I think you made the wrong call by letting it go.

I'm a teacher. Playground homophobia is thankfully dying. The kids in my fairly rough-arsed West Yorkshire school rarely use "gay" epithets as terms of abuse. There are even gay students and teachers who are "out".

I think the attitudes that see "poo pusher" as acceptable public discourse only exist now among the middle-aged. Once we're gone, perhaps gay people can enter a public conversation, in person or online, without running the risk of hearing strangers making crude jokes about their [assumed] sex lives. When that day comes, perhaps the rates of depression and suicide among gay people will decrease.

Unfortunately, CM, most people are very conservative by nature and will instinctively wish to preserve the status quo. So when you take a stand, some will try to accuse you of hypocrisy, or of being "PC", or of being unable to take a "joke". Others will try to muddy the waters by altering reality, suggesting that what was said was never said, or that x actually means y. But most will diminish your point by simply jeering from the sidelines.

We had this on a transgender thread a few months back. A simple news story about not referring to TG people by their birth gender attracted exactly the same pattern of responses you've been getting here.

Wow! Thanks! For words of support and putting you head above the parapet

I wish I had just pissed through Cougar's letterbox now 🙁

Wow! Thanks! For words of support and putting you head above the parapet

I did say you had a point, it's just the belaboured way you're going about it.

Of course he has a point but it was not meant in the way Jamie or Scotroutes mentioned, there was no malicious just a choice of words that CM seen as an insult. Best keep to pissing in shoes.

Where are you seeing them?

Well, I guess it comes down to how you pronounce the word 'fail'.
I could be in a minority group here because of my accent, but it comes out in two syllables...

Well, I guess it comes down to how you pronounce the word 'fail'.

Yup, 2 syllables if you is Welsh.

Yep, I realise that makes me racist in the context of [s]this thread [/s]STW.

hebdencyclist - Member

Except...Was the use of it not about pushing a poo through a letterbox and then lighting it?

Oh...and I have no useful contribution to make!

Ha! Mod stealth edit..

Oh...and I have no useful contribution to make!

In this thread, you are amongst friends...

Mods are faster than a speeding bullet today K57!

Of course he has a point but it was not meant in the way Jamie or Scotroutes mentioned, there was no malicious

just a choice of words that CM seen as an insult.

Best keep to pissing in shoes.

Good idea

Well, I guess it comes down to how you pronounce the word 'fail'.
I could be in a minority group here because of my accent, but it comes out in two syllables...

I think Shakespeare has set a precedent here 😀

LADY MACBETH
[...]And dash'd the brains out, had I so sworn as you
[b]Have done to this.[/b]
MACBETH
[b]If we should fail?[/b]
LADY MACBETH
[b]We fail![/b]

This scene is written in iambic pentameter. That is, there are ten syllables to each line. In this scene, to increase the tension, Shakespeare has Macbeth and Lady Macbeth say a bit of a pentametric line each. In short, the speech in bold (my bold) should add up to ten syllables. If "fail" is pronounced as a single syllable each time, there are ten syllables in total and the metre of the play is preserved. If "fail" is pronounced as two syllables, the metre is disrupted and the speech becomes prose.

Conclusion: By assuming "fail" to be a single-syllable word, whoever wrote that haiku is merely following in the footsteps of The Bard of Stratford 😀

Except...Was the use of it not about pushing a poo through a letterbox and then lighting it?

This would be one of the weasel excuses which HC mentions in his post

Except...

Yes, but don't let facts get in the way of a good crusade.

The fact that the word 'poo' was mentioned, and the fact that gaymen do poo's too means we're all a bunch of over-privileged white homophobic power-racists.

Or something.

duckman - Member
Mods are faster than a speeding bullet today K57!

My posts are as I wrote them, give me some credit FFS... 😉

Edit: Oh yours? I didn't see the original!

Edit: probably NSFW / the OP

Yes, but don't let facts get in the way of a good crusade.

You see the irony of that post, don't you?

I can't be bothered searching the whole of STW for the original post, but I recall it mentioned last night as pushing a poo through the letterbox. Which means you are talking err....poo.

Still; "This would be one of the weasel excuses which HC mentions in his post "

So what you are saying is that suggesting you push a poo through a letterbox and light it is a slur on gay men? Superb! Crack on Charlie.

One last Q; how else do you get a poo through a letterbox?

Duckman just let it slide...

So what you are saying is that suggesting you push a poo through a letterbox and light it is a slur on gay men?

No, no, that's so far from the point. That really takes some doing.

I can't be bothered searching the whole of STW for the original post, but I recall it mentioned last night as pushing a poo through the letterbox. Which means you are talking err....poo.

And... No before you ask. I am not new here

Charlie - you really are making a fool of yourself here and you have got this 100% wrong.

I am usually the first to shout if I see prejudicial posts, pejorative language and sexist / racist / homophobic slurs to the extent I have been shouted down on here for doing so.
The post you mentioned simply wasn't as you missed the context. Taken in isolation scotroutes post looks homophobic but when you see it in the context of Jamies post a few posts earlier its clear it is not.

Tjagain, I appreciate your are trying to be constructive, however, to imagine that Scotroutes used the term "Pushing poo again?" in all innocence and only in reference to posting poo through a letter box is either naive or shows an insensitivity to certain terms of abuse. It was deliberately ambiguous and a cheap way of sneaking in an unacceptable term of abuse for giggles.

I'm sure scotroutes himself would admit that was his intention, if he were honest.

Wrong wrong wrong. Sorry dude - let it go. You are 100% wrong on this. I know scotroutes - he is not homophobic nor does he make homophobic slurs.

I have often been called " professionally offended" and accused of looking for offence. Something I have never done and had never seen before. You here are looking for offence somewhere where it doesn't exist.

Actually, I saw the original post last night quoted, so I do know what I am talking about. Unlike you for 5 pages now. How is the crusade going?
Having seen it and checked again on the closed Mods thread..I still think you are an idiot determined to see a homophobic slur where none exists. Unless you are claiming the post on the now closed Mods thread was not a direct quote?
As for opinions...you started a whole thread to again advance an incorrect reading of a remark made and you have the cheek to (try to) belittle anybody who doesn't agree with you. "Do you see the irony?"

I'm not getting drawn into this again, but I just wanted to reply to Hebdencyclist.

CM, I agree with you. "Poo pusher" is an unpleasant playground insult for gay men, and I think it has no place on here. Mods, I think you made the wrong call by letting it go.

You might not be aware of the original context. As I explained in the previous thread, the comment was in reply to this one:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/donalderm-trump/page/3#post-8297882

Jamie - Member

Other moderators are more quiet about it, seeking to minimise any hassle from other posters.

What hassle?

*pushes dog poo through Druidh's letterbox*

Scotroutes' reply is a couple of posts further down.

That's why we - well, why I at least - didn't remove it. As a comment in isolation I'd wholeheartedly agree with CM, but reading it in context it's innocuous IMHO and CM is just looking for an argument.

I am not calling Scotroutes homophobic, merely highlighting that he used homophobic terminology and that I asked for this to be removed. He no doubt saw it as a joke, but that does not make it OK.

Neither am I offended, merely highlighting unacceptable terminology. I am not upset, but that does not mean it is OK.

If you know him, why not ask him what he meant?