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Dawn Butler won the nomination for deputy
Dawn Butler makes Richard Burgon look sane, reasonable and measured. Corbynism with an added evangelical christian edge. Just what the country is crying out for
It seems that Labour has now given up even the remotest pretence at being an actual political party, let alone a serious contender for government.
It's basically now just a sanctimonious, virtue-signalling facebook group that distributes online petitions about making veganism compulsory, or nationalising Greggs, before nipping over to Twitter to post some death threats to Margaret Hodge.
The Corbynites/sixth formers/PFJ have been quiet of late. It'd be interesting to hear the views from underneath the tinfoil helmets, inside the bunker on how this is all panning out
"none shall vote for us!"
The Long March From Power continues.
We had a discussion about the new leader at a regional union meeting I was at. Plenty in attendance are, unlike me fully involved in the local Labour party so it was a decent debate.
When it came to choosing who to back I stated my case for Starmer as for numerous reasons I think he's the candidate most likely to win back lost votes.
Others then stated their preference and kept referring to not wanting to go back to the days of Blair or swinging to the right (Directed at Starmer). When I explained I was not involved with the party like they were so classed myself as a member of the great unwashed (so more like the people who need winning over) and asked what Starmer has said or done to make them believe he would take the party in that direction non of them could answer. I found that depressing.
RLB won the vote. I personally think she would be the worst option.
RLB won the vote. I personally think she would be the worst option.
Yep, and more because of her personality above anything else. If she wins and Labour don't realise the mistake within a year they will probably lose even more seats in next election.
RLB won the vote. I personally think she would be the worst option.
All the polling with the people who actually matter - the voters - is saying just that
Rebecca Long-Bailey is least popular Labour leadership contender, Evening Standard poll reveals
Just 14% of voters see her as a potential prime minister. Which means she's no doubt nailed on as Corbyns successor. I'm sure that would dip substantially once she's anointed and all the Tory's and the right wing press have to do is point at her and utter two words 'Continuity Corbyn' then just carry on their terrorist sympathiser, antisemitic narrative.
Considering she's been a front bench politician for years, I can't think of a single thing she's ever said or done. So in that respect, very much 'Continuity Corbyn'
on how this is all panning out
And how is it panning out? All I can see is two frontrunners for the leadership and deputy who would be pretty good and a lot of froth about nothing much at all. The only ones paying attention at the moment are those who are still obsessed with Corbyn, the rest of us moved on long ago.
One comment I will make though is it's going on far too long. Why they need 3 months is beyond me. It should all be done and dusted by now.
all the Tory’s and the right wing press have to do is point at her and utter two words ‘Continuity Corbyn’ then just carry on their terrorist sympathiser, antisemitic narrative.
Yup, that's exactly what would happen and she'd be sunk before she began. I don't have much of an opinion of her either way but the quote above is the exact reason I'd never even consider voting for her as leader.
Love him or loathe him if Starmer doesn't get the job.... well its decades before a balance is restored.
I am a working class socialist and firmly believe in looking after people in a fair and equitable way.
I am also a business owner who employs people so i understand that business needs sensible regulation.
I believe in good education, social mobility and freedom of movement. I could never vote for Corbyn or many of his policies, i didn't like Blair from day one.
Me and many like me need the middle ground not Tory light Blair or Comrade Corbyn. Like it or not Starmer represents that and i dont believe a word of his support for Corbynsold policies.... but id he is playing a fast one to beat Seamus and John then brilliant because ideolgy is the death of this country and replicating the dogma of the Tories will never beat the Tories.
So buckle up all you momentum folks, eat the shit sandwich and vote for Starmer and get a parliamentary labour party with some fresh faces (not baggy old trotsky left overs) and fight Johnsons bunch of semi facist arseholes each and every day. They are not invincible they have never been challenged. We need to extrapolate every bit of bad news post brexit and hammer it home.
One other point Labour need someone who can dismantle the Tory approach in Parliament and Starmer can do that, he may not be the eventual answer i dont know but i guess his prep work for prime ministers question time is pretty good...
This whole notion that the voters in the Northern towns somehow 'lent' the Tories their vote is a complete fallacy. It's going to take a humongous effort to win their vote again and that's not nearly enough, they have to find a way of appealing to new voters as well. It's not like there's a load of Lib dem voters they can poach as the Lib dem vote was shockingly low as well. We're doomed.
Saw RLB on Peston the other night talking of how she felt the floor pulled from under her when the results started coming in on election night..The shock for me on election night was how well Labour actually did, I didn't expect their vote to hold up as well as it did in metropolitan areas, I had the Tories down for nigh on a 100 seat majority.
I remember Johnson being in at a press conference with Trump in the US when thw supreme court verdict with regards prorogueing parliament came in and journalists were questioning him about it. Twice Trump interjected on Boris's behalf saying 'just another day in the office'. Then Boris responded, 'well, it's just another day in Parliament actually'.
I knew then and there that Boris was going to get exactly what he wanted, with regards Brexit and any potential forthcoming election. At that point I completely switched off, bowing to the inevitable. It wasn't just the quick wittedness of his response it was how dismissive he was of the whole affair, it was water off a ducks back as far as he was concerned,. Almost as if he was prepared for the verdict, as if he and Cummings had factored in the possibility, recognising how little weight the Supreme Court actually had and knowing the public would see the whole process for the sham it was.
I think Jess Phillips , Lisa Nandy and Ian Murray were the only Labour candidates who recognised this so as such are the only ones with more than half a brain. On that note, how on earth can the Labour party membership not see how Ian Murray is streets ahead of any other candidate in the deputy leader race?
there is more emnity for those in the centre and right of the party rather than the Tories.
T'was ever so. I've been to local meetings back in the early 90s and been spat on for refusing to take some communist leaflet and called tory scum
how on earth can the Labour party membership not see how Ian Murray is streets ahead of any other candidate in the deputy leader race?
Its not really much of a mystery. The present labour party membership elected Jeremy Corbyn not once, but twice. They're presently overwhelmingly endorsing Rebecca Long Bailey (as she promises more of the same, which has been so successful with the electorate), with god-bothering communist Dawn Butler or that comedic village idiot Richard Burgon as deputy leader. Some of them were seriously suggesting Ian Lavery. Just sit and let that sink in for a minute. Ian Lavery as a potential PM?
Everyones talking about Starmer but given the track record of the people who will make the final decision I don't think he's got a hope.
If RLB's name is on that final ballot, she's going to walk it, probably with Richard Burgon as deputy
You have to remember who you're dealing with here. The labour party membership really is that detached from reality. How many more times do they have to demonstrate it?*
* Just this one last time, obviously. After that, the labour party is done. The UK will be a one party state
Trust the bookies binbins
Inkster
Ian Murray?
Architect of the labour / tory non agreession pact that saved May's government?
He is a complete rear end of a cow.
You can hold on to your grudges if you like TJ. Whilst I could sit here looking for some witty riposte with regards pantomime animals I'm beyond that now......but you've pulled my chain, suffice to say RLB and the beast of Burdon would fail the audition for the rear end of a pantomime anything.
Murray knew Labour was heading for a cataclysmic defeat and wasn't scared to say so. Plus he's a ruthless hard nut, a quality I'm looking for from my politicians at the moment. He wouldn't have to fight his way out of a paper bag because you wouldn't get him hiding in one in the first place.
I posted earlier that an alternative thread could be 'New direction for Labour' but realised that was wishful thinking on my part, predicated as it was on a Nandy - Murray type ticket.
I hope you're wrong Binners and Starmer succeeds over RLB, at least then Labour might live to fight another day. If you're right and the lunatics do take over the asylum then the next thread will be along the lines of 'Do you remember the Labour party?' Or maybe someone's already posted that thread on Retro-bike.
For those saying the party has lost it's mind and still has massive support for Corybn:
https://twitter.com/CLPNominations/status/1225569974389026816
"So far, 350 CLPs have nominated candidates to be leader of the Labour Party.
Keir Starmer: 201
Rebecca Long-Bailey: 96
Lisa Nandy: 40
Emily Thornberry: 13""So far, 352 CLPs have nominated candidates to be deputy leader of the Labour Party.
Angela Rayner: 200
Dawn Butler: 49
Richard Burgon: 39
Ian Murray: 37
Rosena Allin-Khan: 27"
Starmer is far far ahead with the traditionally more left wing CLPs (compared to the general membership).
I too agree that Nandy may be a better choice, but lets just try and keep to the facts. The party clearly knows that a big change is needed, and is acting on it.
If it ends up being a combination of ‘boring but across his brief’ Starmer, and ‘laugh off your erudite but condescending questioning style’ Rayner… that is probably the best outcome possible, given the dual requirements of not scaring away existing support, and looking to build on it, and given the list of candidates that put themselves forward.
If it ends up being a combination of ‘boring but across his brief’ Starmer, and ‘laugh off your erudite but condescending questioning style’ Rayner… that is probably the best outcome possible
It's going to be those 2 almost certainly, unless either makes a monumental gaff in the next few weeks.
It’s basically now just a sanctimonious, virtue-signalling facebook group that distributes online petitions about...
Now where does that sound like? On the tip of my tongue like it's almost staring me in the face...
Or maybe someone’s already posted that thread on Retro-bike.
We tend to keep away from politics on RB, leads to too many arguments. 😉
Just read Momentum darlings Dawn Butlers latest contribution.
Asked what would be first priority as deputy leader if a Labour government if it came to power....
To repeal Margaret Thatchers anti-trade union legislation.
I suppose it’s progress of sorts. We’ve moved on from Corbyns 1970s agenda...
all the way to 1983.
Burgon has made it as far as Iraq in 2003, bless him
Finger on the pulse...
I too agree that Nandy may be a better choice, but lets just try and keep to the facts.
Are you new here?
Evening comrade. How’s the revolution coming on?
Inkster
Ian Murray - its not about holding grudges. Its about holding him accountable. He was one of the main architects of the labour / tory non agreession pact in Scotland that gave the tories enough seats to govern. Without him doing that we would not have had Mays government.
Its an utter disgrace that a so called labour MP colludes with the tories to increase tory seats.
That should disqualify him from any position indeed he should have been expelled from the party for it
Evening comrade. How’s the revolution coming on?
If you hurry, there's time to buy more prosecco before the shops close.
We’re a fully stocked cellar here at the chateaux darling
I take it you’re drinking mead out of an old miners boot?
We’re a fully stocked cellar here at the chateaux darling
You're a cellar serving more than one castle? It's either that or you can't handle your liquour.
My CLP held their nomination meeting last evening and voted for Starmer and Rayner.
They posted on their FB page, thanking attendees for their thoughtful contributions; cue a post from an individual questioning 'thoughtful contributions'.
When asked 'were you there?' the response was....No.
FFS where do these half-wits come from?
My CLP held their nomination meeting last evening and voted for Starmer and Rayner.
Also the nomination of the country's biggest union, inconvenient as that is to binbin's predictable narrative.
Why inconvenient? I hope that’s right. I’d love to see Lisa Nandy but Kier Starmer would be good. He’d actually make a decent job of leader of the opposition. Anyone but Rebecca Long Bailey who would just mean the end of the Labour Party as anything other than a sixth form level protest group, which is pretty much all it’s been for the last couple of years.
And I like Angela Rayner. I loved it when she blanked Joris Bohnson on Newsnight.
But the party faithful/Momentum/common room/PFJ’s preference is for Long Bailey and that numbskull Burgon
What’s your preference comrade?
What’s your preference comrade?
Nandy and Rayner.
Confused?
But the party faithful/Momentum/common room/PFJ’s preference is for Long Bailey and that numbskull Burgon
It is, but the numbers of them are not as big as many make out, as displayed by the CLP nominations.
Momentum has 40,000 members in total.
Labour has had 100,000 new members since the election. It's highly unlikely that these are hardcore Corbynites who have only just now decided to join up. More likely it's people coming back to make sure the same mistakes aren't made again.
Starmer and Rayner are going to walk it.
Why Nandy? A complete liability. No talent, no brains, no principles.
Why Nandy? A complete liability. No talent, no brains, no principles.
I disagree completely. She's the only candidate who understands what it takes to win back the lost votes across the north.
OK TJ, you've made your opinion of Nandy explicitly clear; who would be your choices for leader and deputy from the available candidates?
Why Nandy? A complete liability. No talent, no brains, no principles
She at least understands that Labour need to listen and reconnect to regain the lost northern seats.
Seems to be able to handle herself well in interviews as well.
Bloody hell! Me and Ransos actually agree on something.
Lisa Nandy absolutely gets it. And she has done for a long time. She understands where Labour lost its way.
Why Nandy? A complete liability. No talent, no brains, no principles.
A bit rich from a SNP fanboy
Bloody hell! Me and Ransos actually agree on something.
I think it's the first time you've asked. Much easier to attack than engage, I guess.
No SNP fanboi here big and daft
Frank - Starmer and none of the above for deputy. I don't know much about Raynor. The others - utter diddies
Nandy has no idea about why labour lost its way or she wouldn't have said such stupid things about Scotland
Mmmm i hope when Starmer gets into power he chops Seamus and his supporting eco system into little bits.
oldman - seeing milne ousted would be a start; the financial payoff would be significant.
Following on from that...
- a challenge by way of a vote of no confidence in McCluskey as Unite gensec
- Corbyn's (alleged) recommendation that Karie Murphy, red Len's squeeze, get a gong to be voted down by the nominations committee
- Jennie Formby, another of Len's protegés, to be forced out of her role as Lab gensec.
- Lansman and Momentum to be treated as Hatton was
This would be a great start to a thorough cleansing of the Augean stables.
I can't see any recent evidence of Rayner commenting about the leadership; very wise - don't get associated with RLB.
Will they still be flat mates when Starmer becomes leader and RLB's support collapses?
It appears the grown-ups are getting close to re-taking control.
Nandy's time will come - if she really wants it; keep on doing what she's doing now.
Optimistic? Too early for that but definitely less pessimistic.
She at least understands that Labour need to listen and reconnect to regain the lost northern seats.
By appeasing the pie and chips racists? No thanks.
Thats not what she's suggesting though, is it?
The main crux of her argument seems to be that we need a government thats prepared to acknowledge that the places outside the big cities, particularly in the north, do actually exist. And that maybe, just maybe, it might be an idea that if you want the people there to vote for you, you should stop displaying exactly that sneering, superior, metropolitan tone and actually engage with them and their concerns