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Hoping the hive mind has experience of this and can offer some sensible suggestions on how I can get some peace for my street, as I, and several of my neighbours, are at the end of our tethers.
I live in a nice cul-de-sac, in a relatively nice area but somehow one of the small bungalows at the end of the close has been let as social housing. I've no problem with this, but the current tennant just doesn't fit with the street.
She seems not to work, drink heavily and often 'parties' late into the night. My immediate neighbour is convinced the women is a prostitute as she has many gentleman 'friends' visiting at strange hours. She has verbally threatened me, and my wife, for parking outside her house and the attention that she pays to the upkeep of her proper is, shall we say, non-existant.
I fear that she is devaluing property prices in the street and would really like her 'gone'. Can anyone suggest the best way to either get her to fall in line, or hopefully get her moved on all together?
Many thanks,
Mike.
Oooooh this should be good. Hobnob anyone?
gadzooks, have these people no sense of common decency ?
I'd put this in writing to the Mail at once as a warning to other right minded citizens in the area.
Have you tried complaining to the council?
Tell the police your neighbours suspicions?
Prostitute you say?
You want to get a lorry driver on the case.
*change gear, change gear.....*
Hang on, I'll just put the kettle on. Hopefully property prices won't have dropped too much by the time I'm back.
Anyone for popcorn?
I have had the police out, she was already known to them. Apart from a warning they say there is nothing they can do.
It is thought that she's keyed a couple of the cars in the street, but again, without direct evidence there is nothing the police can do.
My wife feels very intimidated by her, she's sure that the women is mentally unstable so I'm wondering if there's anyway I can proove this and get her sectioned?
I'm honestly at the end of my tether, with the stress it's causing my wife, I'll try anything.
Paper bag of flaming dog poo on the doorstep?
Prostitute you say?? This thread is useless without pictures....
TSY (has a free evening next week)
*wonders if it's okay to park outside C-C's house? :lol:*
complain to the landlords is your best way
you are probably stuck with the problem, however
1. write to the housing association (HA)with a detailed list of complaints
2. write to the HA and ask them to close the "brothel" they have opened in your street
3. write to council complaining about noise etc
4. .... if you had contacts who could help with this option you wouldn't be posting on here
prepare for a backlash if you do 1, 2 or 3
good luck, you will need it.
and ignore all the muppets taking the mickey, they don't have your neighbour (however you really didn't put the OP well!)
if she's mentally unstable and clearly so when in a public place then the police can section her and take her to a psych unit for assessment...
BUT:
someone's lifestyle choices and how they look after their property is surely none of your business, how is she "known" to the police out of interest, as a prostitute/car keyer or for not mowing her lawn?
or the dept who placed them in house if they're causing issues/being antisocial.
Do you know the name of the housing association letting out the house?
Around here, they're fairly proactive in helping with anti-social tenants, special phone-line, online report form etc. to the extent that if I have problem neighbours I'd hope that they were housing association tenants rather than private tenants.
she's sure that the women is mentally unstable
gosh, you mean that isn't enough to prove she's mental?
have you and your neighbours tried complaining to the council. Every time there's a party - complain. Loud noise - complain. Speak to your local councillor, about the state of the property as well as the noise. Act as a group, not as individuals. If you and your neighbours keep complaining to the police, they'll think you're time wasting idiots, but the couuncil may act.
Also, if she's a hooker working out of a house, odds are she's advertising someplace. Mate of mine had one working out of a flat, got fed up of the noise, so looked in the Sunday Sport, phoned all the numbers for his area till he found the one he was after. One call to the police, job done.
I have a very similar situation at my home. There are 8 houses opposite of which 6 are privately owned and 2 are Housing Association. The family in one of them is a nightmare, 5 kids, no working adults, ex druggies etc. I feel your pain, it's not nice living near them and one thing i can guarantee you is that all of your houses will have been devalued as a result and even at lower prices will be difficult to sell whilst she lives there.
I looked into trying to get them moved but it seems somebody has to make an official complaint and that results in a record which you have to divulge if you try to sell your house so most people are put off. Also, she has nothing to lose by vandalising your property etc while she is untouchable as the Housing Association will keep sorting her out.
It would be nice to be able to talk with these people but they are generally so thick that it's simply not worth the effort.
If she is a hooker you could try and find some evidence and present it to the HA so they can kick her out?
- not really any of your businessShe seems not to work
- if there's noise involved at unreasonable hours (11pm - 7am, I think?) then contact your local Environmental Health department or her housing association. Keep a record of incidents.drink heavily and often 'parties' late into the night
- I thought she didn't work? 😛 Again, not really anyone's business.My immediate neighbour is convinced the women is a prostitute as she has many gentleman 'friends' visiting at strange hours.
- obviously that's not on, you've already contacted the police, not really much more you can do other than keep a record of incidents and to contact her housing association if it happens again.She has verbally threatened me, and my wife, for parking outside her house
- Again, this would probably be a matter for her housing association.and the attention that she pays to the upkeep of her proper is, shall we say, non-existant.
Someone operating a brothel in your street near your family obviously is your business (if that's what she's doing).
I believe that it's a private landlord. It used to be rented out to a Polish family who were an absolute delight compared to this lady.
Philconsequence - The fact that she drinks heavily at all times of the day surely suggests some mental problems, and the way she squared up to me to complain about my car (I'm no small lad), she was frothing with rage, who do I need to contact?
Also, the police have been called before as she was threatening towards a child playing football in the street outside her house, though I didn't get the impression from the police that, that was the only other run in that they'd had with her.
OP I also now live on a tiny/tight cul de sac.
Two neighbours warned me about a neighbour across/adjacent that they had run-ins and I would too over parking (the neighbours in question dont own a car but dont want anyones cars anywhere near their front).
So I parked a hire transit van across their drive for a few days and left it there every day purposely avoiding my own drive.
No problems. I even received a Christmas card from them 🙂
Sometimes mild confrontation helps(ed) in my case.
In your case (I had a drunken neighbour who played Ring of Fire etc at all hours whilst off his head). I just got onto (Croydon) council and kept at their nuisance unit. Can you imagine each nuisance unit at councils receives all sorts of petty cases? Grudges etc? So they probably have a Triage system.
Keep at it, keep recording times and dates and keep involving the Police.
TBH if anyone in such a situation keyed my car it'd turn very nasty very quickly. Thats not a keyboard warriorism- I just don't like anyone who hasn't the guts to do it to your face.
she's sure that the women is mentally unstable so I'm wondering if there's anyway I can proove this and get her sectioned?
Classy. Complain to the landlord - its in their interests that their tenant isn't causing trouble.
Troll alert.
Wee in her shoes?
Though she might well charge extra for this...
it'd be the police you need to contact if, and [u]only if[/u], she's obviously mentally unwell [b]AND[/b] in a public place.... so away from her home in the street.
I'm with TSY... a party loving girl who entertains men and likes to drink sounds like a fun person to know 😉 do you think you could get away with telling the wife you're going over to "have words about the state of her house?".... i suppose it'll give you a chance to see if she charges!
Seriously, if she makes me pay she deserves a one way ticket to the nut house 😆
Ay'up DD... how's the non-smoking going? I'm back to 3 days and counting 🙁
So I parked a hire transit van across their drive for a few days and left it there every day purposely avoiding my own drive.
Hang on. You tried to piss off a new neighbour on purpose?
for the right amount of money i can make sure she's 'gone'
sheesh...
the attention that she pays to the upkeep of her proper is, shall we say, non-existant.I fear that she is devaluing property prices in the street
what does/doesnt she do to the property?
is it the state of the house, or her actions that are devaluing your property? or both?
It used to be rented out to a Polish family
Was that Mr & Mrs Sheen?
It doesn't sound too bad, my old terrace house had Fourteen thirsty (for vodka) Latvian builders living one side of me and a let house of 8 young proffessionals (drunken chavs) the other... I contacted my local council about the problems I was having and they said move house - so I did.... I am now loving the Suburbs 😀 If I was you I would track down the actual owner of the house and whenever you get grief, whatever time of the day, pass that grief on to the person who is making money out of the tennant. I found out the home number of the managing director of the building firm hiring the latvian builders. I called him at 4 am and asked him the best avenue to go down to prevent his employees playing their porn loudly - 2 mins later the house fell silent lol...
she's sure that the women is mentally unstable so I'm wondering if there's anyway I can proove this and get her sectioned?
Nice, you want your house price to remain the same, so you want to try to get someone sectioned. who said community spirit was dead?
found out the home number of the managing director of the building firm hiring the latvian builders. I called him at 4 am and asked him the best avenue to go down to prevent his employees playing their porn loudly - 2 mins later the house fell silent lol...
That's brilliant!
Hora - I quite like the idea of antagonising her a little, a bit for petty satisfaction, but more to expose what a fruit-loop / aggressor she is.
If I can get her out at this time of the year arguing with my work van in her 'summer clothes' (or as my wife puts it: "thats not a skirt, thats a belt"), that can only help, surely?
I also like the idea of hassling the landlord more, I've confronted him over her in the past. He seemed sympathetic to her situation, pointing to a tough life, deceased husband etc, obviously he denied she was a prostitute but did allude to mental frailty...
Reading between the lines Mr Cash Cowell, did you do the dirty and now its all kicking off a little too close to home eh?
well you know the saying about foxes not fouling outside their set don't you?
my suggestion would be to buy a caravan and live in a lay-by for a couple of years till it all blows over.
cul-de-sac
I think that's the problem right there. I did it once, never again!!
Also, be very careful with throwing around accusations of mental instability. Whoever said it, no the Police can't just section and have an assessment, the assessment comes first and the Police play a small part in that process, it just isn't that simple.
They can intervene with a MHA 1983 section 136, very different, and is used in extreme circumstances to allow the assorted MH professionals to be rounded up to do a proper assessment. Also it's limited to 3 days at a place of safety, which could even be their own home, if known to services already.
Also, us proper mentalists get a bit worried by random finger pointing by the pitchfork wielding curtain twitchers. Stuff like this can severely hinder attempts to live amongst the normals unspotted.
Complain to the landlord A LOT, they'll soon get fed up and move them on.
HTH
mortuk2k, that was me... i was suggesting the section 136... just without using the actual name.
in a public place then the police can section her and take her to a psych unit [b]for assessment...[/b]
if she's living her life - [u]not at risk to herself or others[/u] and its just some personality/housekeeping issues with the neighbours then the police shouldn't/wont even bother with a 136.
IF, and only if she is sectioned under a 136 for whatever reason then she could and probably would end up back home in 3 days (if all this does turn out to be just histeria from the OP and neighbours)... thats if they even decide she's worth using a 136 on.
its not my place, or STW's... or the OP's place to decide if she's mentally unwell.
They are activly encouraged to find private rentals these days. If they can find the first months rent the council will pick it up from then on. Probably why one such family have got themselves a nice £300k house in Lichfield. Parents fresh out of nick for dealing, kicked out of the HA house they were dealing from. £1400 a month rent & £2.5k/yr c/tax picked up by the council. Place was lit up like Las-Vegas for Xmas. Subaru's & 4x4's double parked all over the street. Someone naughty person got in & flooded the place to try to delay them moving in, but to no avail.
Of course, its none of my business. 🙄
If folk made it their business it might change, but N.I.M.B.Y eh...
Phil - You sound like you have some experience in the mental health field. I can continue to complain to the relevant people / authorities, but what sort go things should I be looking for that might indicate instability, or risk to others? What about if she was having fires in her front garden, instead of just collecting junk?
Loving the bollox about sectioning.
Nope.sure that the women is mentally unstable so I'm wondering if there's anyway I can proove this and get her sectioned?
Sectioning is for somone who is a danger to themselves or others not just a bit shouty. People are allowed to make unconventional lifestyle choices.
Policea nd council are the people to complain to as wellas the landlord and act with your other neigbours
Nimbyism is safe and well down a cul de sac somewhere
what sort go things should I be looking for that might indicate instability, or risk to others? What about if she was having fires in her front garden, instead of just collecting junk?
that just sounds like you're planning on setting fire to stuff in her front garden and then blaming it on her!?!
without trying to sound mean... if she was a risk to herself or others you wouldn't need me to give you pointers on what to look for. i suspect this is you being a snobby neighbour and her being a bit shouty/lary at times doesnt mean she's mentally unwell!
TandemJeremy - Member
Loving the bollox about sectioning.
what bollox?
Not from you phil. From the OP.
TandemJeremy - Member
Loving the bollox about sectioning.
Why so? I have a friend who was sectioned for seemingly very little, mad as a box of frogs, but you had to spend a lot of time with him to truly realise this. It would seem that most of her 'friends' aren't with her for that long and she doesn't behave like any normal person I know...
One of the neighbours say they saw her in Asda in jeans and a bra, or bikini top... that's jsut not normal, is it!!
Go away you nasty nasty person.
I'm starting to like her. More please 😀
I have a friend who was sectioned for seemingly very little, mad as a box of frogs
so very little apart from the mad bit then 🙄
is this a poor trol or are you really this hard of thinking?
saw her in Asda in jeans and a bra, or bikini top... that's jsut not normal, is it!!
I saw a bloke on a bike ..it had big wheels snd no gears wearing shorts ...it is worse they were not even baggy.. going downhill in the snow and ice I ask you is this normal ?
How do I section this individual before they irritate me some more?
One of the neighbours say they saw her in Asda in jeans and a bra, or bikini top... that's jsut not normal, is it!!
Perhaps not to you but it is to her, just keep a diary of events and inform the Council and police everytime she is confrontational. otherwise enough of this nonsense about getting her sectioned.
In ASDA! Doesn't she realise they are a part of the Wal-Mart conglomerate??
she does Dr Mungus it was just direct action easier to chain your self to railings semi dressed and makes security nervous about touching you
mrsconsequence washes the car wearing board shorts and a bikini top in the summer.... she's quite clearly mental 🙄
saw her in Asda in jeans and a bra, or bikini top... that's jsut not normal, is it!!
she's obviously fallen into the trap of being seduced by a brand, section her at once, isn't that right TJ 😉
she doesn't behave like any normal person I know...
so what?
Sectioning is for somone who is a danger to themselves or others not just a bit shouty. People are allowed to make unconventional lifestyle choices
...luckily for you that hey TJ 🙂
"One of the neighbours say they saw her in Asda in jeans and a bra, or bikini top... that's jsut not normal, is it!!"
That would count for most people you see in our local Asda on a Saturday!
mrsconsequence washes the car wearing board shorts and a bikini top in the summer....
imagines cool hand luke asks for pictures
she's quite clearly mental
Given choice of spouse I find the evidence conclusive
My car's [i]very[/i] dirty at the moment.......
My mind's [i]very[/i] dirty at the moment...
Listen guys I just wanted some advice.
I know people make different lifestyle choices, singlespeeders for example. But as I have mentioned a few people have alluded to her mental state so I don't think it's just me jumping to conclusions!
TandemJeremy, I still don't understand why what I wrote was "bollox"? What is it exactly you do for a living? One minute you're an expert in branding the next sectioning!
Philconsequence I wasn't going to set fire to her garden, it was a joke or an attempt at one.
Thank you to the posters who have suggested keeping a diary of incidents, will meet up with a couple of neighbours when I can to ask them to do the same.
saw her in Asda in jeans and a bra, or bikini top
That's standard for visitors to parts of the WalMart empire:
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com
TandemJeremy, I still don't understand why what I wrote was "bollox"? What is it exactly you do for a living? One minute you're an expert in branding the next sectioning
Mental health nurse ... I kid you not .. everything else is just googled but this stuff he knows
cheers junkyard! 😆
@Cash cowell.... not a very good joke i'm afraid...
Actually I am a general trained nurse.
Still I have a basic understanding of what "sectioning" is
It is not something that happens lightly, it is not something a neighbour can do, it will do nothing to alter your position at all.
If someone is a danger to themselves or to others - thats significant danger to life and limb they can be detained for a short period to allow treatment.
A shouty drunk does not fall into this category nor and eccentric person with odd lifestyle choices.
I can understand your feelings about the antisocial behaviour but all this about sectioning and shopping in asda wearing odd clothes is just silly
Keep a log of the antisocial behaviour and DON'T do anything stupid like setting fire the the rubbish in her garden
If you start that it's you who may be sectioned or arrested cos it's a bit mad and antisocial in itself innit really
Or tell your mrs to wtfu and own her with bombers!
and eccentric person with odd lifestyle choices.
You and your bloody baked beans again 😀
I contacted my local council about the problems I was having and they said move house
SERIOUS? Is that true? Thats disgusting.
My Bestmate had a problem single Mum DSS renting from a private Landlord next door to her. He went through the whole process, even had noise meters set up in his property by the council.
In the end, guess what? The council said they had done everything possible and offered a local Priest to 'mediate' between the two neighbours.
What the ****. Nice one Brighton Council.
She must have utterly wrecked the interior of the house as a month or so later she was evicted by the Landlord (huge pile of interior fittings in the back garden).
My wife was very upset by the whole incident, why should she have to WTFU? I've worked very hard to get to where I am and live in the house I do, why should the value of my house and my neighbour's be ruined by somebody who has made "odd lifestyle choices"? Imagine if everybody chose not to work or to look after their property!
Made me think of a book called Eats, shoots & leaves 🙂Mental health nurse
Now about this neighbour, does she give a subscriber discount? Is there adequate parking? Does she have nosey curtain twitching neighbours filming everyone who comes & goes 😉
From what the OP has said there is no way she is going to get sectioned for what she is (or isn't doing). She just sounds a little "crazy" in the way others have put it that she has some odd and differing lifestyle choices.
I would find out who your local Neighbour Police Officer (NSO) is. This was brought in by the Home Office over the last 3-4 years. Everyone/area has an NSO, so a police officer and bunch of PCSO's who help deal with lower level criminality such as anti-social behvaiour. Depending on the exact details of what she is doing they may be able to look at getting ASBO's or working with the council to re-house her (although no doubt she becomes someone else's problem). As already suggested though you do need to start keeping a detailed diary and again you can get "official" ASBO diaries from the police. This is their remit and DON'T let them fob you off, you will have an NSO who should be doing this. Good luck. It's all good and well everyone on here TTP but until they have been in the same situation they can't imagine how much it can brew and become a much larger issue.
Thank you Munqe-chick!
Will look into it, and you're correct when you say "until they have been in the same situation they can't imagine how much it can brew and become a much larger issue"
In all honesty I can just imagine you coming across holier than thou, and very smug and annoying with this woman, looking down your nose at her as she passes you in the street.
I'd probably react the same as she has to you.
Have you ever actually knocked on her door and asked her to keep the noise down?
I've worked very hard to get to where I am and live in the house I do, why should the value of my house and my neighbour's be ruined by somebody who has made "odd lifestyle choices"?
because someone richer and more successful than yourself deem it fine to rent one of their houses to the housing association
A prostitute who has an unkempt garden ! Clearly trashy.
dirtyrider....or they have got a bunch of mortgages fraudulently obtained in their sisters, mothers, daughters etc names for their multiple houses in their portfolio?
Rife with buy-to-let mortgages not so long ago.
😆
shut up Mark
arrange the stones in her garden into the shape of a penis?
Sectioning is for somone who is a danger to themselves
so anyone who rides a bike on the roads then?
Put some stones through her front window?
ok....a neighbour over the road doesn't work, 7 kids, massive rangerover with dirty great noisy v8 that she drives at very odd hours of the night for pretty short runs considering how fast she returns (apparently she's part of a well known drug dealing family in the area), biggest house in the cul-de-sac with an extension and old dirty caravan that they've parked in the communal parking bit round the side instead of on their drive, about 15 different rusty bikes thrown all over their lawn, ivy smothering half the house and blocking off the light completely to 2 windows, some extra heating in the loft it seems so when it snows there's on the only house without snow on the roof (only time i've known this was drug dealers who grew in their loft and were caught by police helicopter for the no snow reason), and the direct neighbours couldn't sell their house for months and ended up loosing quite a bit of money because of this family.
i can kinda see how it would be frustrating to be honest, but all this sectioning rubbish needs to stop.... however:
warton - Member
In all honesty I can just imagine you coming across holier than thou, and very smug and annoying with this woman, looking down your nose at her as she passes you in the street.
I'd probably react the same as she has to you.Have you ever actually knocked on her door and asked her to keep the noise down?
+1
my money's on the back doors 😀