[Closed] My new MTB Pencil art piece

Binners on here does some very clever artwork to plug the Monday Night Pub Rides. There's an excellent thread on here with some of his pics on it.

And it turns out Binners gets auto corrected to Bonkers.

I will take a look, thanks!

I still think the cassette rider is better looking, but amazing again.

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/blimey-binners-has-been-busy ]This thread here[/url]

Thanks MDTC. There's some really good conceptual stuff there Binners! Very clever. I'm a human photocopier.. :D.. but you have a creative streak! Are they photoshop works?? Nice one.

Not the only streak binners has done.

😯

Flash - let's hope no one did any sketches!

That is stunning, mind blowing that is pencil. I salute you sir.

[i]I don't make a living from it, it's just a hobby[/i]

That surprises me!

DezB - I hope I can change that in future. I'm very slow though!

I'm a human photocopier

Excellent stuff OP. The detail is amazing.

Amazing work. Honestly can't believe that they are pencil drawings.

Really impressive. Again, I'm one of those who'd rather just see the mechanical item rather than a rider on top of them.

I think the Mrs would even let some of them up on the walls.

There's almost a temptation to prefer them unfinished to prove they're drawings.

Incredible. Really amazing Mark.

Amazing

Thats incredible work really amazing and thought was a photo too! Really good luck with it!

Cheers Mark. All my stuff nowadays is drawn up as vectors in illustrator, or hand drawn with rotrings then scanned in and coloured up. I started like you did though. When I was a younger I'd spend days at a time on quite technical pencil drawings of cars, and planes. My mum and dad have just got loads of photos of me, where I always seem to have a pencil in my hand, sat drawing. I was never on the unbelievable level you're at though. Your work is incredible!

But I'd absolutely echo what you said. If your kids are into drawing, then give them loads of encouragement. My dad in particular did with me, as he's a draughtsman and has an incredible technical ability. Now my two are always drawing, and we'll sit and do it together. I find it incredibly therapeutic and calming

MDTC - I think I'll adopt bonkers as my new title 😀

I think including some minor subtle incongruity would really stress the pencil drawing expertise

Brilliant, even better than the first.

Emailed ref a print.

That's skills that is

Skill? It's bloody witchcraft is what it is! Absolutely stunning.

I'm also in though with those that don't really like the bike and rider addition. For me it makes it look a bit like a birthday card your gran would pick out for you cos she still thinks you're 7 🙂

I agree about the rider.
I would love to see (and buy) one that is the cassette and chain combined.
Stunning pics

Thats amazing. Absolutely amazing. I'd have either like a shot but without the rider. I can't get my head around that sort of talent.

I like the 'unfinished' cassette drawing and +1 for the 'without a rider' comment too- I'd buy one!

+1 for the 'without a rider'

I'd have either like a shot but without the rider.

OP. Get the rubber out 🙂

For me it makes it look a bit like a birthday card your gran would pick out for you cos she still thinks you're 7

Totally stunning!

Absolutely brilliant..
But too technically correct. I appreciate the skill involved but it's too much like looking at a photo of something. Very Talented illustration but creatively a bit meh..

Wow, took over 2 pages for that cliché to come out!

Nah earlier than that ... Our OP knows his ...... errrrrrrmmm..... limitation .... 🙄 😆

He mentions it himself half way down page 2.

I'm a human photocopier.. :D.. but you have a creative streak!

Question for the OP, if I may

Your drawings look like perfection to us mortals.... but do you see parts that aren't quite right and could have been improved ?

OP is allowed 😆

Man mountain machine misaligned, tut tut. Up yer game would ye! 😆

But too technically correct. I appreciate the skill involved but it's too much like looking at a photo of something. Very Talented illustration but creatively a bit meh..

It is true though.

That's why (if I had the money to pay for a commission - and I wish I did) I'd like an unfinished one. Something like the cassette with the bottom 1/4 unshaded. For me, it shows the true ability of the artist without having to tell people it's actually a drawing.

Ro5ey
Yes, absolutely,...all the time. I'd say I'm 80% pleased with the current piece. I struggle with perfectionism (No I'm not perfect, I just have trouble accepting anything that I think isn't!). But in a way this makes me strive to create as much realism as possible.

I appreciate and take on all the comments about the pieces without the riders having appeal. I wanted to try to combine photorealism (the genre I occupy) with surrealism. The first piece kind of developed as it went along, but the new piece was planned from the start from 2 reference photos. As I said somewhere above, art is subjective and not everyone is going to like a piece of work. That said, I managed to get rid of all 40 of the original piece, Chain Reaction.

I also take on board the comment by cloudnine. Again, this is the beauty of art. Photorealism is frowned upon by some critics, lauded by others. Personally I love it and find plenty of inspiration in many modern photorealistic pencil artists. I have a strong dislike for abstract stuff, artists like Rothko! Sorry, but it does nothing for me. Damien Hirst, Tracy Emin...being polite I would say they are expert 'con' artists. But they are multi millionaires so who am I to question!

Anyway, I guess I know what the next drawing needs to be like if I am to get some buyers from here.... 😀 😉

Thanks again for all the feedback.

seosamh77 - Glad someone noticed! 😀
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Anyway, I guess I know what the next drawing needs to be like if I am to get some buyers from here....

Just some inspiration (and can I bagsie a signed print):

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Just some inspiration (and can I bagsie a signed print):

if somebody sells a direct facsimile of a photograph then it’s copyright theft.
i shot a high end (250k) watch for a magazine and somebody did a crappy pencil drawing and had it up for sale on his website that was directly traced from my work and between me (the copyright holder) and the publisher we decided to educate him on copyright.
let him keep it up for sale but £600 was going to be spent at my wine merchant on some decent barolo/rioja/Tiganello if it sold!

MrSmith - Member

if somebody sells a direct facsimile of a photograph then it’s copyright theft.

That would be for a court to decide and is open for interpretation, there's a lot of grey area between "direct facsimile" and "crappy sketch". From the sounds of it I would probably take your side but who knows what kind of judge you might get. For £600 I'm not really sure it would have been worth your while at any rate.

That would be for a court to decide and is open for interpretation, there's a lot of grey area between "direct facsimile" and "crappy sketch". From the sounds of it I would probably take your side but who knows what kind of judge you might get. For £600 I'm not really sure it would have been worth your while at any rate.

if you overlay the original image and it fits the drawing exactly then it’s a facsimile and it’s beyond doubt. there have been quite a few cases where the ‘artist’ has ripped off a photographer and had to pay (that string of puppies in the arms was a high profile one) i get free legal advice with my trade association from an IP legal firm, it’s usually an obvious yes/no if my copyright has been impinged. things rarely go to court because the ‘artist’ knows they will never win.

you can copy photographs, it’s just when you try to sell your prints/drawings that it becomes illegal.

MrSmith

if you overlay the original image and it fits the drawing exactly then it’s a facsimile and it’s beyond doubt.

In your own words it was a "crappy sketch". Unless your photograph looked like a crappy sketch then it it can't have been a facsimile - an exact copy. And it doesn't change the fact that you would still have had to go to court to prove this. The sketch artist may well have argued in court that by producing a deliberately "crappy sketch" of your photograph of a presumably nice watch he was commenting on increasingly materialistic and shallow our society has become and a judge might have agreed with him assuming he had a body of similar work parodying consumerist society.

I agree with you in principal and am merely playing devils advocate here , it sounds like you were in the right but you can't say you would have taken his money unless you actually did take him to court and win.

[i]I'd like an unfinished one. Something like the cassette with the bottom 1/4 unshaded.[/i]

Yeah, I thought that looked cool too. On the Instagram feed there are a lot of in progress drawings that look amazing.

JimJam he was just a graduate with time on his hand copying my photograph to sell (for £1500 but it’s no longer listed for sale), i actually took the time to point out where he could find info on the copyright designs and patents act and exactly why he was in the wrong.
could i have taken him to court? yes
would it have been worth it? no because it’s a wast of time and money. had it been a company/corportation and a bigger infringement then it’s an entirely different proposition.
the images in question:

[url= ]pencil drawing[/url]

[url= ]my photograph[/url]

but the fact remains copying other peoples work and trying to sell prints is illegal and i’ll take the IP lawyers view when it comes to things like this rather than a layman view of what a judge might or might not do.
i have successfully recovered monies for infringement of my image rights in court before so know how the system works.

That drawing wouldn't identically overlay your photo. The perspective on some of the screw heads is wrong. So does that mean it's not a facsimile?
[i]trying to sell prints[/i].. and was it a print? Would anyone buy a "print" that could've been made on a computer from the original?

it’s copied directly from my drawing.
a few screw heads might have been changed but, serial number, escapement and balance wheel are all in the same place.
if somebody would buy or not is irrelevant, it was advertised for sale that’s all that matters .

Rogers v Koons is worth a look, arguing over the position of screw is meaningless

So if the artist had changed one number from the serial, he'd have got away with it?