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Her two nieces were wearing size 14 skirts by the age of 11, the average size worn by a grown woman in the UK.Her son also struggled to find a uniform big enough at secondary school as his weight crept up to nearly 20 stone (127kg) in his teens.
"You do feel judged by other people when your child gets to that size, but the harshest critic is yourself," says the mother-of-two from Birmingham.
"I constantly asked myself 'what am I doing wrong?'"
[i]*hand up*[/i]
Ooh... ooh.. miss.. I know.. me.. me... I know..
"I constantly asked myself 'what am I doing wrong?'
😯 🙄
Is it.. is it.. "cake"?
they'd be in care if she was starving them to death but feeding them to death is ok.
strange days.
"I constantly asked myself 'what am I doing wrong?'"[b]It's a good question[/b].
Well, the BBC think it's a good question...
Did you read the whole thing?
There was one fat girl who was not eating breakfast or lunch, and was eating a big dinner and snacking unknown to her mother during the night.
As far as the mother's concerned, she's eating one meal a day - how can that be too many calories?
Don't judge til you know the story. And don't rip the piss out of people who aren't bright. It's not nice at all.
This thread needs closing, it's got no good in it.
GrahamS -
Is it.. is it.. "cake"?
No it is CAKE!!!
To be fair it's an interesting article.
But that opening gambit was perfect material to feed the troops of the Elite Elevated Equine Division 😀
Gentlemen, to your stepladders!
limited money to buy healthier food
So it's just me that finds a bag of apples cheaper than a bag of chips then?
molgrips, for a 10+ year old you may have a point but;
[i]among four and five-year-olds it's 22%[/i]
there are no 4-5 year olds who are that big and 'secret eaters' - parents know what their kids are eating at that age and it's likely they'll have been over feeding them for years to make them obese by the time they're in reception/year 1 at school.
Up until school everything the child eats comes via a parent or carer.
CAKE?
What about a little Joss Ackland's Spunky Backpack, eh?
Nobby - Memberlimited money to buy healthier food to
So it's just me that finds a bag of apples cheaper than a bag of chips then?
Either your apple-shop is cheaper than mine or your chippy is dearer.
molgrips - Member
Don't judge til you know the story. And don't rip the piss out of people who aren't bright. It's not nice at all.
Why do you assume they aren't bright? Not everyone had read every iDave Diet thread.
Yeah, I think the best way to help those who are obese, be they parents or children, often undereducated as to what is best to feed their children or themselves is to point and laugh. That's what helps the best.
There was one fat girl who was not eating breakfast or lunch, and was eating a big dinner and snacking unknown to her mother during the night.
Yeah but how does that work exactly? What was she snacking on? Who bought it? And why didn't they notice that it was going missing?
Personally if my King Size Dairy Milk suddenly evaporated overnight there would be an inquiry held!
And possibly some waterboarding.
i lurve a bitta cake!
eating one large meal a day is bad for you too - your body just stores it all rather than processing it.
[i]That's what helps the best.[/i]
30 years of health education hasn't worked and a bit of pointing and laughing can't make it any worse, can it?
Personally, I find it despearatly sad that the first few generations in this country that have never known hunger seem to have decided that killing themselves through over eating is the best response to having enough money to buy food every day.
Either your apple-shop is cheaper than mine or your chippy is dearer.
Bag of apples in the Co-op =£1.00, standard portion of chips from the chippy next door but 2 =£1.20.
30 years of health education hasn't worked
Apparently not...so we need to change what we're telling people, maybe?
a bit of pointing and laughing can't make it any worse, can it?
It's certainly not going to make it any better, that's for sure.
"Two thirds of adults in the UK are now classified as overweight, so our perception of what we consider the average size to be has changed," says Gately.
It's nothing to do with being thick, we've gradually slid to the point that it's normal to be fat. The medical types here, do doctors and health workers have straight-to-the-point talks with people about weight or is there pressure not to "judge"?
limited money to buy healthier food
I've never understood this one.
If people are fat because they are poor and pies are cheaper than apples, then wouldn't less pies be even cheaper ?
a bit of pointing and laughing can't make it any worse, can it?
Yes, it can and it does.
Its not rocket science and it is not intelligence based
Everyone knows how to get fat and thin just like everyone knows whether smoking is good for you or bad for you.
Education is not the answer its self control.
don't rip the piss out of people who aren't bright. It's not nice at all.
Not all fat people are stupid molly watch your own prejudices if you want to berate us
As far as the mother's concerned, she's eating one meal a day - how can that be too many calories?
But surely if you see your kid is geting fat, but only eatnig one meal a day you realise some thing else is happening??
[i]so we need to change what we're telling people, maybe?[/i]
possibly but beyond;
"Look you'll die young and so will your children will you stop eating shit, please"
What can we say?
And once you've said it all and got angry then, sometimes, laughing is the only response other than crying isn't it?
[edit] I'm being over simplistic and there are all sorts of psychological causes for all this I know. It just seems to be that, 'en masse' people can't be changed. As individuals they all know there's a problem but there seems to be very little that a government can do, at that level, to change people's habits day to day.
It is desperatly sad for a lot of people who are overweight and want to change.
Making comments on here in a general way is different to pickign out individuals and doing it (imo). I can't change what people choose to do but in the end (as above) it comes down to self control and being able to see the benefit of losing weight and adopting a generally healthier lifestyle. I've no idea how to force someone to achieve that,
laughing is the only response other than crying isn't it?
I guess it is for some.
do doctors and health workers have straight-to-the-point talks with people about weight or is there pressure not to "judge"?
My missus does (Diabetes & Endocrinology specialist so it comes up a lot).
Some people appreciate it, but the levels of denial she encounters are incredible.
Ever watched "Secret Eaters"? People happily turn in food diaries saying they are eating 2000 calories, then the cameras (which they knew were filming them!) show them they are really eating closer to 4000.
don't rip the piss out of people who aren't bright. It's not nice at all.Not all fat people are stupid molly watch your own prejudices if you want to berate us
I'm not berating anyone, I mis-worded that. It was a general statement. IF the people in the article are indeed thick then it applies to them, otherwise not.
My missus does
Does she have a good laugh at them while telling them they're massive porkers?
But, and there is a but - I pretty much can eat what I want and always have and still weigh the same as I did +20 yrs ago (12st and 6'2"), but I know when others (family/friends) eat the same...
For most people though it's a simple 'calories in' vs 'calories out'.
The medical types here, do doctors and health workers have straight-to-the-point talks with people about weight or is there pressure not to "judge"?
Interesting point.
IIRC there have been cases where patients have taken offence and complained (and I think policy changed) about being called 'obese'. [b]Not [/b]"fatty fatty boom boom". "tubby", or "large". Obese.
Obese is a medical definition. The same as hypertensive is a medical definition. The same as (s****) micro-penis is a medical definition.
This is objection to reality on a very superficial level, but the whole idea runs much deeper - essentially, people refuse to believe they are overweight and there are medical implications to that.
If you refuse to believe something, you are unlikely to change....
DrP
PS - if your BMI is greater than 70, you're in the new category of....drumroll.....[b]HYPER-OBESE[/b].
Brilliant.
It's not considered professional to cry at work so, yes, probably 🙂
Does she have a good laugh at them while telling them they're massive porkers?
I don't believe that is within the current NICE guidelines.
She does make piggy noises though.
oooh Hyper-obese - it's always good to have goals 🙂
slightly OT- but those bed bound blobs, they can't feed themselves,so someone else is helping/not helping ?
rocket science
Maybe that's the science we should be teaching in schools, all about that green leafy stuff you get in bags from Tesco
She does make piggy noises though.
Too. Much. Information.
IIRC there have been cases where patients have taken offence and complained (and I think policy changed) about being called 'obese'. Not "fatty fatty boom boom". "tubby", or "large". Obese.
Was watching "One Born Every Minute" or some such guff the other night (I watch great TV eh?) and it was focussing on the complications of very overweight pregnant ladies.
One of them was getting most upset that the nasty meany doctors kept mentioning her weight and implying it was a problem...
Agreed, so normal in fact that clothing sizes appear to have changed over time. In my teens and twenties I was always a medium size, now I'm 40 and the best part of 2 stone heavier and I'm still a medium. How does that work?we've gradually slid to the point that it's normal to be fat
> She does make piggy noises though.
Too. Much. Information.
To her patients. Not in the bedroom!
(Well not unless we're playing "Deliverance")
Agreed, so normal in fact that clothing sizes appear to have changed over time. In my teens and twenties I was always a medium size, now I'm 40 and the best part of 2 stone heavier and I'm still a medium. How does that work?
I'm six foot but slim built. I now have to buy extra small sizes in some shops. Fat Face (oh the ironing) don't make jumpers small enough for me any more so I can't shop there.
Pointing and laughing only works effectively if it's aimed at chavs in shiny track suits, otherwise you are wasting your own effort but on the upside burning your own calories whilst doing it...
I'm pleased to say that medium Kona Merino Jumper fits me just fine 🙂
LOL at graham
We had a 20 stone worker [ in her 20's]at work who complained when her doctor suggested her breathing and mobility issues were possibly weight related.
She complained to the NHS and to my manager when I suggested the Dr might have a point - on the plus side she never[s] spoke[/s] moaned to me again.Nice girl utter blind spot to what size she was and the health implications of being like this.
She has diabetes now at 30
She had a degree if that matters.
agreed that clothes sizes and the general perception of 'normal size' has changed.
i have blunt conversations with my patients about their weight.
will we see the word 'obese' being frowned upon like some of the older medical definitions as it becomes more of an insult than diagnosis?
parents set pretty important examples for their kids: overweight? chances are you'll have an overweight kid. always controlling and worrying about weight? chances are you'll have a kid that develops the same issues. healthy, active parents.... ideal 🙂
telling your kid they're beautiful 'just the way you are' may be true in your eyes as a parent, of course your kids are going to be beautiful to you.... but its a bit like gok wan telling the size 24 women that all they need to do is buy clothes that show off their boobs and the world is good again, ignore the weight problem and there will most likely be health problems.
Me too! Although it is verging on too large. It went in for a wash today though so should be nice and snug by the time the missus is done with it.I'm pleased to say that medium Kona Merino Jumper fits me just fine
Bariatrics... its a growth industry..
get my hat...
Nowt wrong with chips. Fine food. It's the 2L of coke they're drinking with it that's the problem!So it's just me that finds a bag of apples cheaper than a bag of chips then?
No, but most of them are ignorant. It would be incredibly easy for the vast majority of overweight people to slim down if they understood how the body worked.Not all fat people are stupid
+1 It makes me want to vomit when I see the trailers for Mike & Molly on comedy central. 😆 When did this become acceptable?we've gradually slid to the point that it's normal to be fat
My nipper is 11 and wears a size 12 but my God is she fast on a bike so I am not too worried. I do have to keep her out of the fridge though.
It's got to be more down to activity levels than food.
I turned 40 this year and, at 12 stone, I am almost 2 stone heavier than when I left university.
As a young child and teen I was a skinny beanpole despite my mum's packed lunches comprising crisps, cake and a chocolate bar. Tea was always a meat and two veg affair. Probably didn't drink much fizzy pop but had squash and coffee with 2 sugars.
I didn't start putting on weight until my mid/late twenties when I started driving to work and sitting at a pc all day.
I work near a young chap, early/mid 20s is my guess and by my unscientific reckoning he must be near 30 stone and a short arse like myself and whilst its easy to point and tut tut...
I don’t know if he is married or has children but all I can think of every time I see him is that he will probably never see his 50th birthday and quite possibly maybe not even his 40th and so like many youngsters today will die before his parents
Its just a sad waste of life
Aren't we all also supposed to be getting taller too?
<RANT>
Why then, are women's clothes in larger sizes still sized for oompa loompas who must be as wide at they are tall!
</RANT>
Thing is.....I'm at work in London, and I've got to say, there really arent many fat people around. Some chubby folk, maybe one or two that you would consider seriously fat. But other than that pretty much 85-90% of people are a healthy weight. Thats a professional office environment and might not be totally representative of the whole city.......but if 2/3 of adults are overweight nationaly, there must be some places where almost EVERYONE is fat right?
I work in an ofice environment where you would assume the average IQ is fairly high and people are certainly not poor. There are plenty of fat people, some of whom have crisps out of the vending machine for breakfast.
It's got to be more down to activity levels than food
Or even peoples lack of knowledge with calories burnt through activity and likewise calories consumed.
It seems quite common for people to "treat themselves" after some light exercise. And in the process consume 3 times the calories they've burnt.
And don't rip the piss out of people who aren't bright. It's not nice at all.This thread needs closing, it's got no good in it.
woooah, chill, dude - make a cup of tea, grab a bag crisps and get the telly on - Jeremy Kyle's on soon
I'm at work in London.. there must be some places where almost EVERYONE is fat right?
Mmm.. London seems to feature [i]heavily[/i] on this map:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/dec/19/obesity-childhood-statistics
Don't judge til you know the story.
+1
I run every day and many people think I am obsessive with excercise as well as a very competitive nature. I have two teenagers and it is a constant challenge to ensure they eat healthily and get excecise/study/socialise etc.
I havent read all of tis but I suspect its full of the same sanctimonius Daily Mail guff. When you have teenagers many of you will change your view and whilst you can strive to give good avice and set a good example peer pressure is a frightening thing.
I think that is a very valid point and I encounter people who are in total denial that there is a problem. I have also met several who are happy/resigned to continue eating until they reach the level of obesity which will get them a gastric band/staple op etc.It's nothing to do with being thick, we've gradually slid to the point that it's normal to be fat.
What really gets me is those who are housebound/immobile due entirely to their weight and associated problems. SOMEONE is feeding them, which is fairly obvious as they are usually surrounded by various food packets which haven't been picked up by their carer yet!!
Unfortunately, 'the feeders' are not the ones who risk damaging their back trying to get them to hospital when the inevitable illness strikes. I've had 2 patients in the past week which have taken 3 ambulance crews (total 5/6 staff) to move them out of the house, one of whom was very close to needing the assistance of the Fire Brigade. This is becoming a very regular occurrence now and is getting worse by the week.
I suspect its full of the same sanctimonius Daily Mail guff
Now where did you get that idea from surfer?
Add in a pinch of "you stupid fat eejit, don't you know what's good for you" and you're there.
This is becoming a very regular occurrence now and is getting worse [s]by the week[/s] with every meal time.
hen you have teenagers many of you will change your view
Not sure how teenagers are responsible for causing overweight 6 year olds? 😕
Chemical release in the brain leads to excessive consumption shocker.
What did I do wrong?
Passed on the gene for irresponsibility.
Whether you get your kicks from food, alcohol, drugs, sex, money, buying shit...it's always going to go tits up when you lose balance and do it too much.
Maybe go back to treating the trait that is greed as a weakness rather than a disease?
Not sure how teenagers are responsible for causing overweight 6 year olds?
Why let a few split hairs get in the way of laughing at the afflicted?
Not sure how teenagers are responsible for causing overweight 6 year olds?
Whats your point caller?
I know that some crematoria cannot take the increased size in coffins
Mcboo-- do you work in an up market brothel?
Add in a pinch of "you stupid fat eejit..
Has anyone actually called overweight children or their parents "stupid" or "thick" on this thread, apart from our two moral apologists?
Depends how many teenagers the 6 year old eats I suppose
Has anyone actually called overweight children or their parents "stupid" or "thick" on this thread, apart from our two moral apologists?
Read the thread...it's certainly implied.
Moral apologist? Jeez...
Whats your point caller?
That the article is about overweight children, not teenagers, citing that [i]"over 33% of 11-year-olds are now overweight or obese and among four and five-year-olds it's 22%"[/i].
Teenagers can be difficult to control. Granted. But unless they are force-feeding their younger siblings then they are not to blame here.
Read the thread...it's certainly implied.
Not by me. Some people seem to have brought their own offence with them.
And if parents are allowing pre-school age kids to become obese is it really unfair to suggest stupidity or willful ignorance as a culprit?
A GP friend of mine recently suggested to the parents of a 6 yr old that they should do more to tackle the little girl's obvious weight problem.
Dad came into reception threatening violence and they went to the papers. The Sheffield star printed a piece saying how this thoughtless gp had upset the child.
So yes. Sometimes the parents are definitely to blame. [url= http://m.thestar.co.uk/news/health/sheffield-parents-anger-after-girl-labelled-obese-1-4928396 ]Sheffield star article[/url]
...there must be some places where almost EVERYONE is fat right?
I've found it interesting that previously I worked in a practice in the middle of a Pompey council estate - a lot of patients were overweight and unhealthy.
Currently working in "2 beemer country" (Horsham) and haven't seen as many obese people by a long shot....
DrP
*hand up*Ooh... ooh.. miss.. I know.. me.. me... I know..
Is it.. is it.. "cake"?
And then...the old STW corker...
Some people seem to have brought their own offence with them.
Yes, I'm offended by proxy. 🙄
Has anyone actually called overweight children or their parents "stupid" or "thick" on this thread, apart from our two moral apologists?
IMO, the rise in obesity is just down to stupid people being too lazy to cook properly and encourage their kids to take a bit more exercise than sending texts and playing on the xbox (probably in case the peedos get them if they open the front door)
So, in answer to the question, yes someone just has.
A GP friend of mine recently suggested to the parents of a 6 yr old that they should do more to tackle the little girl's obvious weight problem.
If they told the parents in front of the girl that she might die of diabetes then I would suggest they were right to be annoyed. Right message, shitty delivery.
That the article is about overweight children, not teenagers, citing that "over 33% of 11-year-olds are now overweight or obese and among four and five-year-olds it's 22%".Teenagers can be difficult to control. Granted. But unless they are force-feeding their younger siblings then they are not to blame here.
But I didnt say they where however my point ref peer pressure stands. I made reference as a parent of teenagers now but thats by the by.
I am making no exacuses for obes people who claim they play no part in getting to the position they are in but many of those overweight get their though poor diet, lack of excercise and sometimes lack of education. It is not as simple as people sitting in a room eating pise and chocholate but hey that doesnt play to same prejudices.
And DD is right you may not have used the words you quoted but you inference was clear.
I can assure that was not how it was delivered
IMO, the rise in obesity is just down to stupid people being too lazy to cook properly
Maybe we could now put your incredible intellect to resolving conflict in the middle east?
