[Closed] MTB Hazards : Dogs

Oi Barbara Woodhouse's!
How do you think the courts would react to the scenario then:
A dog chases a cyclist from a cycle track onto a main road (some distance behind of course as it was slow but persisent)
then gets run over whilst causing a vehicular accident, then the dogs loving human partner decks the cyclist and the car driver.

is this Crufts or STW??

What if the cyclist had a pet swan and the swan broke the dog owners arm before he had a chance to deck the cyclist ?
How would the courts react to that ?

TJ, I'm not talking 'rights' or 'onuses'. I'm just talking about being nice, sort of mucking along with other people.

Depends how you want to live your life I suppose.

(What you say about 'trained dogs' seems to suggest a level of ignorance about dog behaviour, by the way - have you done much in the way of dog training yourself, or spent much time with dogs?)

bravo Dorest_Knob. my sentiments exactly.

MTQG makes an excellent point.

question for dog owners, do you think your dogs struggle with the concept of gears? i've not noticed anyone with "singlespeed" in the username commenting on being chased by dogs, and the times that i've been harrassed by wayward dogs i've been on a bike with gears.....

That's another advantage to riding a Rohloff.
From a dog's perspective, they look like a single speed.

question for dog owners, do you think your dogs struggle with the concept of gears? i've not noticed anyone with "singlespeed" in the username commenting on being chased by dogs, and the times that i've been harrassed by wayward dogs i've been on a bike with gears.....

That actually makes a lot of sense! Singlespeeds are much quieter, with less movement going on at dog-eye level. Since dogs react to movement and noise, it makes sense for them not to be so bothered by / interested in singlespeeds.

[i]question for dog owners, do you think your dogs struggle with the concept of gears?[/i]

My dog struggles with most concepts. Thick as shit, I tell ya.

That would only account for dogs leaving single speeds with sliding drop outs or EBBs alone though.
Surely an untrained dog could easily mistake a chain tensioner for a derailleur.

My dog likes to bark at the sound made by an air shock, so singlespeed and rigid it is.

She's also not interested in children on bikes I assume it's because they are too easy to catch.

I am going to have to take issue with that. It is perfectly possible to train a dog to ignore bikes. I see it all the time. A non dog owner has no obligation whatsoever to modify their behaviour. The onus is totally on the dog owner to control their dog. Either by training it properly or by putting it on a lead if they are incapable of training it.

TJ its a living being, hence they are never 100% predicable, so again you are highlighting your ignorance. If you decide to ram objects that are in your way, just because you don't want to steer the law will not come down on your side.

To draw a comparison, 99.99% of the time you are a pompous arse, who wishes he was Scottish. However 0.01% of the time you are moderately reasonable. Nothing is 100% predictable, even your mindless drivel

I wonder, is it just STWers that are c0cks on their bikes?
Cos whenever I'm out with my dog and I've met [i]anyone[/i], (whether they are walking or biking and whether I am walking or biking) they have all been perfectly pleasant. Even if the dog has got in their way. Or chased them and sunk her massive teeth in their leg and I've laughed and said you should've pedalled faster ya numpty that last bit was made up out of boredom

lol, true

Where's TJ gone? I was hoping for a better argument than this.

Dorset_Knob - Member

Singlespeeds are much quieter, with less movement going on at dog-eye level.

The frantically spinning ankles would be at eye level, I think?

DezB - Member
I wonder, is it just STWers that are c0cks on their bikes?
Cos whenever I'm out with my dog and I've met anyone, (whether they are walking or biking and whether I am walking or biking) they have all been perfectly pleasant

Whenever I've been out on my bike all the people I've met, whatever the colour of their socks or breed of accompanying animal they've always been perfectly pleasant as well, funny innit - most people in the real world are friendly & sociable and don't really mind what other people do as long as it doesn't affect them too much........

.......either most of the stories told/positions held here are keyboard hardman fantasies, or their may actually be a human subspecies of forum frequenting folk who really are the aforementioned 'male hens'.

😆

The frantically spinning ankles would be at eye level, I think?

Well yes, and tyres, spokes, pedals ... etc.

As I'm in argumentative mood, all I said was 'less movement' - ie, low-hanging rear mech, jockey wheels, chainslap, etc.

But you're right to point out that cyclists' feet go round and round, yes.

Dorset_Knob - Member
Where's TJ gone?

Taken the dog for a walk ???

more likely doing teh google dance

Dorset_Knob - Member

But you're right to point out that cyclists' feet go round and round, yes.

hilldodger - Member

Whenever I've been out on my bike all the people I've met, whatever the colour of their socks or breed of accompanying animal they've always been perfectly pleasant as well........

Yep, same for me. I think I've had maybe 3 or 4 confrontations in a long time riding. I do talk random nonsense to people though so maybe I just confuse them. Maybe that's the secret - talking to people rather doing the MTBdeathglare.

As a few have said, it's up to you how you react with dogs, you can ignore them and face the consequences or interact with them to make it easier for yourself, the dog and owner.

Most of the time all it takes is for a cyclist to interact with the dog a few times and then they will be fine. Or you can be grumpy, scoot around the dog and generally get annoyed with dogs and owners.

Being a Mountain Biker and knowing how quickly you can stop, if you did run over my dog I would certainly be taking your details, a photo and billing you expenses (similar incident involving another dog and bill was over £6k). If you stopped just short of the dog, I would certainly be apologetic to the cyclist, as the dog should've been under control.

If I was cycling and there was a dog trying to bite me and things, I would be taking a photo, go to local vets and inform the dog warden, as well as trying to speak to the owner without it turning in to a shouting match.

I think this street goes both ways, give and take on both parts.

Hello

did I miss my flaming? I was out doing stuff it the real world

I have not owned a dog - I base my observations on my friends dogs and those I meet when out cycling. My pal has his dog trained immaculately and so do other people. You know - walk to heel, come on command, drop on caommand that sort of thing

. For example the other day along the mixed use urban path near me there was a chap with 7 dogs of various sorts milling around. From a distance away I pinged my bell to let him know I was there. He grabbed one dogs collar, he shouted two words and the rest of the dogs stood absolutely still or lay down while I went past. Well trained dogs.

Or the old collie I see frequently - walks along the side of the path and casts a weary eye on any bike that goes past then ignores it.

If your dog is in the middle of the path yu should call it away. iIf you cannot control your dog then it should be on a lead.

After all - it could be a childs face next time 😉

their hearts are bigger and offer more love than a whole packet of peas

Ah that's not love it's blind loyalty coming from an instinctive pack mentality.

I once had a 'puppy' (aka massive dog of some kind) chase me whilst out in the woods. Bolted from its owners and ran after me very closely. I was only what, 20 ish at the time and had had zero experience with dogs so I rode as fast as I could away from its nipping snarling big teeth. Chased me for quite a while. I was trying to be nice to it and give it smiles and happiness and such.

On the way back home I was accosted by the owner of the now lost in the woods dog who was very angry for ME losing his dog for him, even going so far as to push me in the chest. At this point my mate intervened and offered to help look for the dog. We rode back into the woods for a bit shouting its name then after 15 mins or so buggered off.

If that happened now one of a few alternatives might've happened.

1) I'd have had it out with him saying it's his dog that he needs to control and stop chasing other forest users - if he's not well trained enough to take into the woods then don't bloody well do it. I might've also have tossed my bike aside and pushed him in the chest and given him a piece of my mind too - possibly.

2) I'd have stopped and placated the dog.

3) I'd have stayed longer to help look for the dog more - but begrudingly since the owner was very rude and agressive.

Well said Tandemjerry.
Yeah I've only had trouble once with a dog owner in 22 years or so of MTB.
Rarely do I get thanked by dog walkers when slowing down to a walking pace but that's OK I suppose.
Some just seem to bimble round the place with no awareness of other people : it's just them and their beloved dog.
Mainly in town, way less so in the country. Mobile phone obsessed walkers are another hazard!
Random greetings are the way to go. I like holloring (apologioes for the US slang) a weary 'ringing my bell' when on a cycle track or whereever, it seems to work !!

Rarely do I get thanked by dog walkers when slowing down to a walking pace but that's OK I suppose.

Joking aside if you lured my dog onto a main road for a laugh, you would be looking for your teeth for quite a while, and screw the consequences

As a few have said, it's up to you how you react with dogs, you can ignore them and face the consequences or interact with them to make it easier for yourself, the dog and owner.

I imagine phil and his missus might be more amenable to the latter, however that is an assumption, they may well be very European.

I see no reason for rider and dog to interact. If the dog chooses to chase me, then fine. I don't see that it is my responsibility to modify my behaviour to accommodate the dog or its owner. Now if the dog attacks me when it catches me, then we have a different situation in which I will act to defend my self 'By any means necessary' Charlie X

(that's not a kiss!)

Ah that's not love it's blind loyalty

You've not met my dog then. Her sole purpose seems to be giving out happiness. She'd even force a smile out of TJ 😉

TJ, when you ask your friends with dogs, if they are under control 100% of the time, what do they say?

'By any means necessary' Charlie X

Bored of this now, however just incase Charlie missed my earlier post:

Dogs can apply a bite pressure of 320lb enough to penetrate sheet steel)
Dogs run at speeds from 16 to 31 miles per hour.
Dogs reflexes are typically three times faster than a humans.

Might be worth considering before you attack a dog.

I would be very careful when pushing any animal into a fight or flight decision, as if it comes up fight you are in deep shit with any medium to large dog.

Mine I think would shit himself and run, however if he felt he couldn't escape I wouldn't like be be in front 40Kg of teeth and muscle that has decided that you are too dangerous to turn its back on.

True but can they handle themselves on the pavement?
Actually dogs of any size are very bad at having their chest opened. So pulling their front legs apart in a sudden movement is very detrimental to their well being

Actually dogs of any size are very bad at having their chest opened. So pulling their front legs apart in a sudden movement is very detrimental to their well being

LoL, good luck trying that with a dog that's crushing your arm/throat or attached to your groin, and shaking like crazy.

It might look possible/easy in Hollywood films, however you may find reality a little different.....

Any animal when cornered and scared needs to be treated with caution, look at how many people a year are killed by cows, when somebody spooks them, because they think 'they are only cows' or 'they are in the way'.

well, obviously you have to practice with little dogs first!

Maybe we should arrange a series of challenges against the internet super heroes who intend to kill/ram a dog if it dares to get in the way of the mighty MTB-Heavyweight-Epic-DogNemesis-Battle-Legends.

I vote for CharlieMungus to attempt to kill a American Bandog...a cross between a Mastiff and a American Pitbul.

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But before the battle commences...can we agree who gets to have your stuff.

But before the battle commences...can we agree who gets to have your stuffed American Bandog.

Whoever asks nicely

hehe

Does anybody understand the mentality of riders when they see an ss ?
Their default behaviour seems to be dither and then stop right in my path...
Other noted behaviours are
1) Chasing and yapping at back wheel (usualy short people)
2) Sitting down, not giving a sh1t (body armoured warriors usually)
3) Half noticeing me, but somehow it does not register so the threat of not moving out of my path is implicit in this behaviour. (most of them, most of the time).
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even a cornered squirrel can be dangerous...

I can't imagine a situation where I would 'corner a dog' when out riding my MTB though.
Dogs are nippy over short distances but they can't keep it up.
Apart from grey hounds, and whippets.
In the US some mtb'ers have been killed by cougars.
Here we have badgers, I would not fancy cornering one of them.

I remember hearing a funny story about someone who hit a badger, and thought he had killed it, so stopped to check the body, however he had merely pissed it off 😉

Here we have badgers, I would not fancy cornering one of them.

Although after the ensuing battle you can take the defeated badger as a trophy to show your kids...

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But some badgers are dangerous...look at this! A fat badger and no rider - obviously been eaten.

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It doesn't matter how big your dog is against a ninja badger...

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Of course it's ok! Why would you need extra thanks?

Basic courtesy?

Basic courtesy?

rubbish! You should be thanking them for not setting their killer dog onto you.

Warning hazardous dog

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I hate dogs on bikes rides, they always seem to chase and bark at me, had a pack of about six chase me quite a way once, they all ran out from a farm yard onto the main road. Another which was actually whatever breed the dog that McHamish posted was really got nasty with me to the point where I thought it would have attacked me if the other half hadn't belted it. We found out after it was an escapee rescue dog who wasn't good with bikes.. it was lost and panicking either way, if I'd have had a means of scaring it off, i would have. As it happens, all I could do was cry.

I always carry badger with me

I used to ride with a guy who always got the attention from the dogs and he was scared of the damned things too, so we had to form a group around him to protect him. He was a butcher.