[Closed] MTB Hazards : Dogs

I'm all for courtesy, so fair enough. But it would be rude and discourteous to fail to slow to walking pace when passing a dog walker and dog...

But it would be rude and discourteous to fail to slow to walking pace when passing a dog walker and dog...

Glen - why? I don't slow to walking pace when passing pedestrians. Do you? I let them know I am there and slow appropriately. I might pass 20 dogs in a 2 mile stretch of path

As usual the dog lovers want us all to have to make allowances for their dogs whilst refusing to take responsibility for their dogs.

Do you both have a bell on your bike adn warn all pedestrians of your presence?

Do you both have a bell on your bike adn warn all pedestrians of your presence?

So you want us to alert you to our presence so not to scare the dog but you won't give walkers the same courtesy?

they can hear his ego rattling around inside his empty skull long before he gets near 😆

The ruddy dog walker attitude don't half get on my tits!

Just train it properly and keep it under control thus allowing me to go about my life unaffected by it. Thats what the law requires you to do. Its not rocket science

So you want us to alert you to our presence so not to scare the dog but you won't give walkers the same courtesy?

Do you both have a bell on your bike [b]and warn all pedestrians of your presence?[/b]

Maybe should have been and / or for the hard of thinking.

As usual the dog lovers want us all to have to make allowances for their dogs whilst refusing to take responsibility for their dogs.

No, not really. Expecting you to stop acting like such an eejit the second you see "dog" written on STW is even too much. Wtf is it with you and ridiculous sweeping generalisations TeeJ?

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DD - thats what all the dog owners on here are asking for.
Apparently we have to make allowances for their dogs but they will not do as the law states and keep them under control.

Oops! 😆
The 99th post doesn't make sense TJ. The answer is clearly NO, there are usually pedestrians in Barcelona who wouldn't be able to hear the bell! 🙄

Bad form to post twice to get the hundred 😐

Anyway, look, I'm not arguing this with you. Your entirely unilateral ridiculous position isn't going to change soon. Just stop coming across as such an eejit. What ever happened to everyone just trying to get along?

Edit - fair point DD

Missed the hundred anyway 🙁

Its the selfish attitude of the dog owners that gets to me.

Access rights extend to cycling. Cycling on hard surfaces, such as wide paths and tracks, causes few problems. On narrow routes, cycling may cause problems for other people, such as walkers and horse riders. If this occurs, dismount and walk until the path becomes suitable again. Do not endanger walkers and horse riders: give other users advance warning of your presence and give way to them on a narrow path. Take care not to alarm farm animals, horses and wildlife.

Its the selfish attitude of some cyclists that annoy me

I'd like to disassociate my comments from those of GRF above and let TeeJ know that I'm only ribbing him really 🙂

Jeez I cant believe you lot are still arguing about dogs on trails .

I cant wait for this perfect world to arrive when everyone obeys the rules 100% of the time

TJ have you got the ITS THE LAW on a sticky key or something
and do you never ever over step a LAW whether on foot / Bike / Motorcycle / or Car

Nowt about dogs there falkirk mark? Thats perfectly reasonable advice in the code and what we should all do. If riders are not doing that then they are in the wrong.

Also in the code is a requirement to keep dogs under control at all times and under close control if there are farm animals about

DD - Nae worries

Edit - apologies trout. Its the attitude of the dog owners just gets my goat. Aparantly we have to make allowances for their dogs but they don't have to keepo the damn things under control. 🙄

You are right TJ nowt about dogs, my point being that when you do that for the owner then the owner will be puting his/her dog on a lead. I am also familiar about the bit on dogs being a dog owner and cyclist

TJ. Of course I slow right down for walkers. Don't you ever go walking yourself? It's much more pleasant when riders slow right down. Sounds like you slow down too, so I can't really see what your point is, apart from being a big girl about dogs. 😉

If i hear a bike coming or notice it i get the dog to come to me. Thanks is nice but often not forthcoming. The same as pedestrians get from me when i ride near them.

As for riding with the dog he only barks when i'm not going fast enough and damn him if he doesn't short cut the switchbacks. He always takes the berms high though and overtakes on the right but has no bell to let slower riders know he's coming through.

they will not do as the law states and keep them under control.

said it before and will keep saying it, show me the law, not a guidline and not a code but a law with an example of a single person who has been prosecuted for this hugely commonly broken law you ramble on about.

From Natural England:

By law, you must control your dog so that it does not disturb or scare farm animals or wildlife. On most areas of open country and common land, known as 'access land' you must keep your dog on a short lead between 1 March and 31 July, and all year round near farm animals.

You do not have to put your dog on a lead on public paths, as long as it is under close control. But as a general rule, keep your dog on a lead if you cannot rely on its obedience. By law, farmers are entitled to destroy a dog that injures or worries their animals.

Thankfully most of the dog walkers that I come around up here are pretty cool. I slow down when I see them and make my presence known and they watch their dogs to make sure they are under control.

One breed of dog I do not understand is West Highland Terriers 😕

Do they suffer massively from wee dug syndrome? Most of the ones I come across will bark very aggressively when you go past them. Some of the male ones seem particularly nasty. Horrible wee things.

But as a general rule

Seems highly legal to me 😕

Any convictions for somone having a dog that caused inconveniance to cyclists?

First part mentions law the second seems to be "advice"

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/65/section/3

all I can find, so I'll ask again who has ever been prosecueted because their dog didnt lie down when a chippy cyclist wanted it to?

But it would be rude and discourteous to fail to slow to walking pace when passing a [s]dog[/s] walker [s]and dog[/s]..

Why yes, it would.

I partially agree with TJ here. Dog owners should not let their dogs impinge on anyone else.

However in my experience the VAST majority of them don't. A few people struggle to control them but they are making the effort, so far enough.

However the c*nt that laughed as his dog did a massive sh*t right next to my caravan on which I was working at the time was not nice.

And people have been prosecuted afaik for not keeping their dogs under control, when it escalates into a mauling.

I always slow down for People, horses and dogs, it's only common sense and courtesy. You've got to realise that a dog out in the open is probably enjoying it'self as much as you are and is in it's own little world. Even the best trained dog will take time to react to others or it's owner, you're suposed to be the superior being so use that enormous brain and just slow down.

AA - its all out there. Its case law not stature as such although there is some statue. I showed you it all last time we had this and I can't be bothered finding it again. Its very clear and simple.

Glen - Of course I pas the doge owners reasonably. However yu were asking for people to slow to walking pace - totally unreasonable. I can pass 20+ dogs and owners in under 2 miles on one multiuse path and I have no need to slow to walking pace to pass pedestrians as there is plenty of within two miles on one multiuser path.

Glen - Of course I pas the doge owners reasonably.

Surely this is only relevant in Venice and Genoa

And people have been prosecuted afaik for not keeping their dogs under control, when it escalates into a mauling

Thats a dog "dangerously out of control" which is the only law I can find despite TJ protestations I cannot find anything on legislation.gov.uk. He has seen some leaflets though so it must be true

AA - as above - its case law and common law in the main not statute although there is statue.

for example

You do not have to put your dog on a lead on public paths, [b]as long as it is under close control[/b]. But as a general rule, [b]keep your dog on a lead if you cannot rely on its obedience.[/b]

This applies to any dog, of any breed. The quote from the Act above means that [b]any dog which is a bit lively might commit an offence if not kept under control[/b] - this could be your dog too!

http://www.naturenet.net/law/dogs.html

animals act 1971

You could be liable for damage caused by your dog under this Act or under some degree of negligence

Dogs act 1871

It is a civil offence if a dog is dangerous (to people or animals) [b]and not kept under proper control[/b] (generally regarded as not on a lead nor muzzled). This law can apply wherever the incident happened. The dog can be subject to a control or a destruction order and you may have to pay costs.

What a load of dogswallop.

The kennel club and naturenet do not make laws

You could be liable for damage caused by your dog under this Act or under some degree of negligence

useless quote without a context.

It is a civil offence if a dog is dangerous (to people or animals) [u]and[/u] not kept under proper control

it says and not or

Couldn't agree with you more TJ, but at the end of the day they're just dumb animals (and so are their dogs).

Just a quick question TJ, are you a lawyer? Or have you ever spoken to a lawyer? About anything other than do you want fries with that.

As from your sweeping generalisations, I suspect you are a pub lawyer (re: an idiot.) As I don't know a single one(and I know quite a few) who would ever consider anything in case law (found using google, rather than legalnet) to be as clear cut as you seem to think it is, and because of that the legal profession hasn't been replaced by google/wikipedia.

Just because you repeat something over and over again, doesn't make it true. Most people learn that by the time they are 5 however you seem to be a little bit slow.

Its an interesting concept. I was recently barred from my local after a similar discussion regarding dogs where the Landlord suggested that he set his dogs on cyclists deliberately. I merely pointed out that under the terms of the Dangerous Dogs Act he could be giving his dog a death sentence by doing that. ….. glass taken, door shown…… apparently an emotive subject both ways round then.

Give TJ a minute and he will be able to find some case law outling how its illegal for you to be barred.

TJ - Its the LAW!*

*According to wikipedia

Surely it is just common sense? Dogs are like young children, unpredictable. Slow down for dogs in the same way you should for children.

While I walk my beautiful blue bandogge (neapolitan x american bulldog)she spends most of her walks off lead. If I am aware of a cyclist or walker I call her to heel, but if a cyclist flies up behind us giving no warning she may be caught out mid bimble and not know which way to go. Be nice, have patience and if you want to hammer it don't ride on pedestrian filled trails.

the trick is to hide meat and other dog treats in your riding buddies camelback and give his frame a liberal rub with a cat. the dogs will chase your friend whilst you're able to continue riding safely.

Funnily enough, when I'm out riding my bike I don't enjoy being chased by dogs trying to bite my heels. I don't enjoy being growled at or snapped at. I don't enjoy having my clothing ripped by their teeth. It is especialy gawling when the dog owner does bollock all to stop their dog doing it.

I had one dog making repeated determined attacks on me once with the bloody owner stood about ten yards away. I'm telling the owner I'm not enjoying this experience and to please do something and there's no response until I **** the dog on the nose with my front wheel on its fith or sixth attack, whereupon said owner tries to punch me. Fortunately there was no connect and the dog had lost its enthusiasm for my blood, so I managed to leg it away down the hill thus preventing the whole farce from ending up in a court house.

I really deeply resent dog owners who allow their dogs to behave like this to me or anyother cyclist. I think they are ignorant, rude and a public nuisance.

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It is a civil offence if a dog is dangerous (to people or animals) [u]and[/u] [b]not[/b] kept under proper control