That's not terrible exact, DrJ. Which side of the line would having your bum pinched by a slightly sweaty cyclist be?
That's not terrible exact, DrJ. Which side of the line would having your bum pinched by a slightly sweaty cyclist be?
If it was me it would depend on the cyclist. Wiggins, get to ****, Sagan sploosh!
This is quite yawn. There are a few members on here who have red hot pokers up their colons when it comes to sexism and they jump in aggressively with their righteousness and belittlement every time, without fail.
However, equality, to me, is letting people do what they want, and considering them people, not girls/boys. Don't try extra extra hard to make women ride mountain bikes. Don't try extra extra hard to make the prize givers represent every niche of society. Whatever. They're not prancing around in thongs. They probably have connections and other interest in the event/sport and rather enjoy the role. There's no big deal made about them on the reply or media, I've not seen any news photos with captions suggesting how attractive they are.
Why not actively hire women as boxing referees? Or team bike mechanics? Women exist in these roles but very rarely. Nobody is discriminating against them.
What IS wholly sexist in our sport is the promotion of women only events and clubs.
I await the angry keyboard tirades of the poker derriere brigade.
Whatever man.
[quote=glasgowdan ]I await the angry keyboard tirades of the poker derriere brigade.
Get your ad-hom in early
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Ever think these people must be gutted not to have a bit of totty on their podium
Why not actively hire women as boxing referees? Or team bike mechanics? Women exist in these roles but very rarely. Nobody is discriminating against them.What IS wholly sexist in our sport is the promotion of women only events and clubs.
I await the angry keyboard tirades of the poker derriere brigade.
No it really isn't, there are events every week that cater nearly exclusivly to men, I remember some winners in the womens getting XL blokes T-Shirts as prizes as if it was an afterthought.
The barriers to entry for men is much lower in most sports, if your setting off a womens cat in a mixed road race they will generally go in front of the men so end up being swept through at some point - bit intermdating while trying to get started, seen plenty of blokes getting annoyed about women on DH tracks. Cycling is still a male dominated sport, adressing that by providing pathways into the sport for women is not sexist it's a good idea. If you bother to take a look you will probably find a load of events where you won't even see a woman there due to the imbalance.
well, that is a very simplistic understanding, but it does at least explain how you arrive at the views you expressHowever, equality, to me, is letting people do what they want, and considering them people, not girls/boys.
What IS wholly sexist in our sport is the promotion of women only events and clubs
My wife and several others got into climbing via a Glasgow Council funded programme called Women in Sport which ran women only instruction sessions at the climbing wall. Lots of them said they wouldn't have gone on their own due to the (probably mostly unintentional) male dominated atmosphere. It permanently changed the whole complexion of the place. When the funding stopped the women kept coming to the wall and when other women looked in they saw a more gender balanced environment and were less intimidated.
The Women in Sport programme came about as a result of studies done on why women are less represented in many sports, in the surveys many responded that they would like to try some sports but felt intimidated for a variety of reasons. This is not 'trying extra hard' to make women participate, it's just breaking down the barriers to their participation.
From a very narrow perspective women only clubs etc might look sexist but they are a stepping stone to equality of participation.
male dominated atmosphere
Is this actually true for climbing walls? Never noticed it being excessively male oriented in Sheffield (noughties), my climbing partner was female, as was the instructor when I first started, and a fair few of the staff and many of the clientele.
No idea what the balance actually was as a percentage. Genuinely curious so this is more a question and not a statement.
Is this actually true for climbing walls? Never noticed it being excessively male oriented in Sheffield (noughties), my climbing partner was female, as was the instructor when I first started, and a fair few of the staff and many of the clientele.
It will depend entirely on the place I'd imagine. I know women who would like, for example, to join the gym closest to the office but the daytime crowd is 90% male and they feel a little intimidated by the atmosphere. The evening sessions are closer to 50-50 but they want to use the gym at lunchtime.
TBH, male domination may not be the reality of the situation but if it makes women uncomfortable then it's not unreasonable to take steps.
From a very narrow perspective women only clubs etc might look sexist but they are a stepping stone to equality of participation.
Good idea and golf had it for many years but then considered bad form and abandoned. Odd when you think about it.
But intimidation is easy to understand, I was in a minority of 4 guys at a charity bridge day with the rest all women recently. Terrifying and obvious that we were unwelcome by the overt hostility especially in bidding. And as for body pump classes.....well....
...has anyone said yet that having podium girls just seems a bit naff, and makes cycling look a little from an earlier time?
It's not a huge big deal, just one of those pro cycling traditions like zipping up to show the sponsors' logos, that say this is professional sport and entertaining the punters is part of it. But traditions change and this now looks just mildly embarrassing as I say. (And fwiw I know someone who did it at one major race as just a fun thing to do, but that's really not the issue. The issue is what it ways about the sport.)
Presumably no one actually earns there main income as a podium girl?
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Good grief....I thought you had to be at least 70 before you even started learning it! 😉
Anyway back on F1, do you think the driver in the Renault is contemplating a fast start....or something else?
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Thats what my kids reckon, but I love the game!
[quote=piemonster ]Is this actually true for climbing walls? Never noticed it being excessively male oriented in Sheffield (noughties), my climbing partner was female, as was the instructor when I first started, and a fair few of the staff and many of the clientele.
It's certainly less male dominated than many sports, but it's still nowhere near equal. "Ladies night" at the climbing wall I use tonight - I checked and us chaps are still allowed as well (it's my normal climbing night) but their reply included the following "Women tend to participate in all sport and physical activity less frequently than men with 31% of women taking part compared to 40.8% men. The same is true for climbing, hill walking and mountaineering"