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Good music has got nothing to do with the colour of your skin - period!
I personally like the influences of jazz, funk, latin and soul music from the 70's, 80's (and going forward). The musicians of these genres were/are of varying skin colours.
I really couldn't care less what colour their skin was/is, or that of the person who influenced the genre! Jazz and a raft of other musical styles and cultures, not pertaining to any ethnic group in particular influenced/s modern music.
Pinning the colour card to a style of music is just crass and insulting to black people and also, pretty much everyone else.
I can't remember exactly when this MOBO thing started, but in the early stages it was blatantly racist. It's moved on a bit, but the title remains offensive.
OK, you might be thinking, what's my point. Imagine someone influencial in the vibrant indie music scene deciding to create the MOWO Awards. (Music of White Origin). How offensive and wrong would that be? The public outcry would be robust (and justly so).
Like I said, modern music springs from many influences - all colours creeds etc. Fortunately the boundarys as to what constitutes white, or black music are becoming more blurred - great!
Enjoy good music, but skin colour? Who the **** cares about that? - Only racists!
Nuff said!
Were the MOBO awards not set up by a UK BMX blole? Seem to remember reading this somewhere.
Andy Ruffell ???
No, because you don't have to be black or any other particular colour to be eligible. Some d**k brings this up every year, this year it seems to have been you.
But it [i]is[/i] music of black [b]origin[/b] isn't it? Don't see the problem myself.
[i]Enjoy good music, but skin colour? Who the **** cares about that?[/i]
just you it would seem
yeah but if you think back to the fifties and the birth of rock'n'roll - and hence nearly all rock music ever since - Elvis Presley at the start of his career was doing cover versions of "music of black origin"; and he wasn't the only one.
Moving on since then, a huge proportion of modern popular music does have "black origins" - even the Sex Pistols. I was watching something recently, Steve Jones going through the guitar lines from NMTB, he said "Chuck Berry could've written this" - or words to that effect. It was basically a blues riff...
I think the only western styles/genres that might not come under this would be classical, folk, opera, and that favourite staple of middle america, country music, but even there the lines are going to be a wee bit blurred.
the point I'm trying (badly) to make is that it's nearly all of "black origin" if you go back far enough, so who cares?
Billy Ocean - A legend!
of course its racist, note how when radio one was advertising radio one extra as a black music radio station in the early days - I dont think a radio station that plays only "white music" would go down so well !
Inherently sh!t last time I checked, has it improved at all?
I have had people in the past tell me I should be a black man because of my taste in music. Stupid racist ****ers!
I just like good music and I don't care about the ethnicity from which it originates.
I think the rich diversity of influences is fascinating and we'd be musically impoverished without it.
It's one of these issues that is impossible to actually prove, but it really doesn't matter.
Why does a 15 year old music award ceremony have to be so crass about skin colour? That is all!
Wot jahwomble says. Music of Black Origin.
Its you that fails to understand what racism is. Racism is treating people unfairly on the basis of their skin colour. Now just who is being treated unfairly in the MOBO awards? No one.
Eminem, Lady Gaga, Mr Hudson, Mariah Carey, Amy Winehouse, Joss Stone...all been nominated in the past.
So no. Not racist.
I personally like the influences of jazz, funk, latin and soul music from the 70's, 80's (and going forward). The musicians of these genres were/are of varying skin colours.
not pertaining to any ethnic group
Pinning the colour card to a style of music is just crass and insulting to black people and also, pretty much everyone else.
Imagine someone influencial in the vibrant indie music scene deciding to create the MOWO Awards. (Music of White Origin).
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cozz - MemberI dont think a radio station that plays only "white music" would go down so well !
Classic FM seems to be doing alright 😛
TandemJeremy - Member
Wot jahwomble says. Music of Black Origin.Its you that fails to understand what racism is. Racism is treating people unfairly on the basis of their skin colour. Now just who is being treated unfairly in the MOBO awards? No one.
If I was presenting an award for Best White Mountainbiker, who would be being treated unfairly?
Can you get awards if you're brown??
Mariah Carey's as white as Bob Marley.
Speaking of which, can't we whiteys claim Bob Marley to be a white music icon as his dad was from Whales IIRC?
If I was presenting an award for Best White Mountainbiker, who would be being treated unfairly?
If they actually had an award that excluded certain skin colours this might be relevant. They don't, so it isn't
Spectacularly shit troll from a spectacularly shit troll.
Go figure.
Why don't you "black up" then Spongebob? Just like Al Jolson used to do.
If I was presenting an award for Best White Mountainbiker, who would be being treated unfairly?
Me - not because I'm black or white but because "best" clearly discriminates against me as I'm not very good. Or maybe it's poor people who can't afford a bike, or people who due to some disability can't ride one. But does that mean their shouldn't be an award for "best" mountain biker - well why not?
Discrimination is not in itself wrong - undue discrimination or discrimination without a reasonable basis is wrong. But what is and is not reasonable can become very difficult to define. You can go with the old "you'll know it when you see it" position (and I probably do), but that presupposes that people are willing to open their eyes in a reasonable manner.
As for MoBO then it's not normally my sort of music (more blues, jazz, rock and metal over here - yes I note the origins) but I'm not feeling offended by it, or discriminated against, so as far as "Black Origin" goes leave them to it.
Now, music awards generally discriminate against the tone deaf like me - burn the witches!
We should have more awards like these - how about the MOGOs anybody ?
Kylie, Pet Shop Boys, kd Lang etc.
MOROs - Music of Redneck Origin ? ZZ Top, Metallica, Jimmy Barnes.
All good fun.
Bob Marley dad was a large sea dwelling mammal?!? jesus you learn something new every day, that'll stir it up!
You're just being Whalist now MrNutt.
can't we whiteys claim Bob Marley to be a white music icon as his dad was from Whales
Gave me a chuckle that did.
Druidh - no - you miss the point - its music of black origin - the awaards can and have been won by white folk. No person is excluded but some types of music are.
Its like saying the best mountainbiker on natural trails.
I don't know why I'm responding to this pathetic troll - but the other point about the MOBOs is that when they started, 'black' music wasn't anywhere near as mainstream as it is now. I mean, for many years MTV refused to play MIchael Jackson FFS. I think they were an attempt to get recognition for stuff that was often ignored.
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I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation - will Eric Clapton finally get the recognition he deserves for the pivotal role in [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism ]inspiring the Rock Against Racism movement[/url] 😆
uphillcursing/thomthumb - well I did not know that. I watched Andy Ruffel lots as a youngster. Assumed he died out with the rest of that particular BMX boom.
I thought the black music from where RnR originated was from the blues which originated from interpretation of folk music of their slavemasters? So C&W and blues are closely related really 😀yeah but if you think back to the fifties and the birth of rock'n'roll - and hence nearly all rock music ever since - Elvis Presley at the start of his career was doing cover versions of "music of black origin"; and he wasn't the only one.Moving on since then, a huge proportion of modern popular music does have "black origins" - even the Sex Pistols. I was watching something recently, Steve Jones going through the guitar lines from NMTB, he said "Chuck Berry could've written this" - or words to that effect. It was basically a blues riff...
I think the only western styles/genres that might not come under this would be classical, folk, opera, and that favourite staple of middle america, country music, but even there the lines are going to be a wee bit blurred.
the point I'm trying (badly) to make is that it's nearly all of "black origin" if you go back far enough, so who cares
hang on, Andy Ruffell, wasn't there a show in TV about BMX?!? what was it??
oh and to feel the troll, there is no such thing as black music, just music. for example, Bloc Party, they are shit.
How about MORO - Music of Rascist Origin. Laibach and their ilk. That only seems fair and will even out the balance.
Any awards ceremony where JLS win should be nuked for orbit.
Hels - what a cracking idea with the MORO. The only thing is, can you be more redneck than James? His influences are immense:
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of course its racist, note how when radio one was advertising radio one extra as a black music radio station in the early days - I dont think a radio station that plays only "white music" would go down so well !
Of course it isn't racist. 1Xtra still calls itself a black music station. The jingle says "Love black music. Love 1Xtra". You seem to imply a non-existent climbdown.
Don't even get me started on the Asian network! 😆
Bugger. I totally agree with TJ
[i]Its you that fails to understand what racism is. Racism is treating people unfairly on the basis of their skin colour. Now just who is being treated unfairly in the MOBO awards? No one.[/i]
If I prefer black music to white music does that mean I'm a reverse racist?
If I prefer white music to black music, I hate black people?
Weird.
just a point of minor pedantry but it's hard to claim all music as being of black origin when virtually all of modern music is created on european inventions such as guitars and keyboards and the modern equivalent of them.
i don't see that bill haley borrowing from john lee hooker is any different to john lee hooker borrowing from the spanish.
*awaits condemnation from the perpetually offended*
I wonder if Kraftwerk have ever been nominated...
trailmonkey - if human life evolved out of Africa, then [b][i]everything[/b][/i] is of black origin. We're all black on the inside brothers (and sisters)!
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I think you are more racist than the concept of the MOBO awards being racist, you racist ****er
Is that at me djglover?
I think there's more to racism than simply noticing the colour of somebody's skin or recognising that some races have particular characteristics.
Pre-judging somebody because of his race, discriminating against somebody, shouting abuse, putting dogshit through letterboxes and killing are all on the very broad spectrum of racism.
How about MORO - Music of Rascist Origin. Laibach and their ilk. That only seems fair and will even out the balance.
Laibach aren't a racist band. They are often mistakenly identified as promoting far-right wing, fascist and totalitarian ideology, but in fact their image is a parody of the totalitarianism that they as part of the NKS (Neue Slowenische Kunst) sought to expose. They were banned from performing by the Yugoslav authorities, in fact. The fact that their music has been championed by various right-wing groups including Slovenian Nationalist extremists, actually shows just how thick some of these boneheads really are. A strange irony.