2017 Outlander battery is 12kwh, so assume 13kwh to top it up with losses. At 27p/kWh that’s £3.50 odd to top up
You'd be a fool to pay 27p/kWh for electric vehicle mileage.
My Leon 1.4tsi would do the same 20 miles in town for 10p/mile on petrol.
Petrol is currently £1.56/l. 10p a mile would mean 15.6 miles on a litre of petrol, which is nearly 70mpg - your petrol car would do that, around town? And produce no tailpipe emissions? And is half your petrol created from renewable or low carbon sources?
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of this particular car, but PHEVs in general can make a lot of sense especially around town.
She always seems to be charging it whenever we go by.
Yeah generally you plug it in when you get home and unplug when you leave.
Matt, the mitsubishi battery is poorly designed compared to even the older leaf in so far as you'll get nothing like 12/13kw charge in it as they held such a large amount back for battery mgt.
The term is "usable battery", on a 12kw mitsubishi you could only ever put in 9kw (say 10kw to allow for loss).
Octopus tracker was <12p/kw on Sunday.
It's aged, it's wallowy, slow with a noisy VVT engine. The remote app is sketchy, the dealer network even more so. Oh and the controls in the door aren't lit so useless at night (just so nobody thinks I'm a fan boy).
I still maintain if you can't afford a full EV, or it helps to avoid owning a 2nd car, you drive majority of your miles on the ltd range it has then it's still a viable solution. While the range is limited it is impressive that it still does similar miles/kw of normal EVs.
We bought ours 5yrs back with a large disabled elderly family member that couldnt get into normal cars, a new born with all the gubbins that comes with, a need to get out of the woods we live in which includes a very steep off-road hill. It was the same price as an equivelant without battery so I don't regret the decision.
You’d be a fool to pay 27p/kWh for electric vehicle mileage.
While I agree with a standard EV. With a 9kwh battery what tariff do you suggest ?
It'll depend on your energy use pattern. We can charge 2-3 times a day as we make a number of small trips each day (could argue we're not carrying around a large battery that we don't need the range for).
We find we can't move much of our use from peak so tracker works for us
I see my maths last night was rather poor....
Ahem.
While I agree with a standard EV. With a 9kwh battery what tariff do you suggest ?
As above it depends on how many miles you actually do. We are only doing 26 miles a day in our EV and that saves us about £800 a year. If we were paying 27p it would only save us about £300 a year. Our electricity usage at other times is fairly low so the 3p penalty doesn't cost a lot more.
It depends what you mean by 'best case'. If you are driving long 30/40mph stretches then 5 or 6m/kWh is achievable in many cars.
I've not tried that kind of optimum environment. I kind of mean on a good day (warmer, not too much stop:starting on the country roads, 50mph restriction on the motorway bit etc).
Like I say, way better options out there if miles/kw were the only consideration but nowhere near as inefficient as has been implied.
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@IanC. My phev would go best case 30 miles on 7.5kw of battery, now 20 on 6kw. It’s very similar #s to what you experienced in your i4
thinking about it, those numbers are pretty good, given the big lump of ICE that it’s carting about ! I guess with a full EV there is a rather heavy battery…
Thanks for having an open mind, I thought so but then maybe I drive like a nun lol
There is of course the elephant in the room which is the shockingly small range meaning it really doesn't work for many people.
My biggest gripe is that as 90% (maybe 80% now to be fair) of my miles are on fairly efficient EV it makes it damn hard to justify any cost to move to full EV! It pushed me down the route of replacing the 2nd car with an EV motorbike, that's closer to 15m/kw but comes with its own constraints! 🙂
4 kw/mile is a good aim for an EV, kind of 60mpg out of a modern diesel. I'm impressed if the PHEV can do this on eletric.
I worked with a guy that had big issues with his PHEV and it had to be sent away to get fixed. He hated it but loved the tax benefits. Tax avoidance at it's best.
Talking about picking the right car for your usage, remember when diesels were all the rage despite a lot of folk only driving short distances and knackering them.
I think a small ev would probably be the best choice for a lot of people but people love their big cars.
If the PHEV suits the OP's criteria and can get one cheap then maybe it is the right car for them, just not the right car for a lot of other people.
