"normal dance music"
Think you've said all you need to say right there.
Fantastic. I think I've met you back in the day TG. Was it compulsory for you to change whichever uber-niche genre of music you were into on a weekly basis? So you could dismiss anything else as just commercial shite, for people off their tits?
Detroit techno, chicago house, NY garage was definitely not produced with these drugs in mind, if you think so then that is proof of the aftereffects of the drug.
I was never a fan of old Detroit Techno. I've seen Juan Atkins, Robert Hood, Kevin Saunderson etc and found their sets really flat, ploddy and boring. (Apart from Jeff Mills and Richie Hawtin - if you include them - who were far more lively and entertaining.)
Much prefer Sven Vath, The Advent, Chris Liebing, that kind of vibe and in lesser amounts the Liberator DJs and the rest of the SUF crew for the odd dip into the grimy squat party vibe..
Binners were you at The Hacienda for the performance a year [ish] after he died?
We must have been in the same clubs at the same time apart from Flesh - best keep that one in the closet eh 😉
There was a also a wedding of staff from the Hacienda at a Youth hostel Yorkshire way??? Did you go - hell it may even have been yours i did not know the bride or groom
Just looking an old flyer £2 before 9 and £3 after! 🙂
Erm.... a lot of it is a bit...erm... 'hazy' from back then. 😳
There's an amazing video on Youtube from Atomic Jam at the Que Club in Brum back at the peak of the techno scene in 1996, with loads of people I remember. I'm in there at 11.40ish, complete with pony tail and manic chewing gum action!
Still gives me goosebumps watching it.
I was there, was pretty much at the Que every weekend as there was always something going on.
Will have a proper look at the video tonight, see if I can spot myself trying to dance 🙂
Yay Haze! My brother is on there too and loads of old mates!
Couldn't figure out how to embed it though, so there's just that link.
Don't think i'll ever go for a night out in a quarry again....
Cybotron is an interesting one, for me more associated with early electro hip hop of the 80s, like Hashim, Planet Patrol and other Arthur baker productions, all inspired by Kraftwerk. It's not got the standard 4x4 kick drum, like techno house or disco which worked so well with MDMA. Awesome tune and still a regular on my ipod.
I was a dj and club promoter from many years , my experience was that at first MDMA taking was very discrete, you knew people were loved up but it was special and exclusive, people got a real buzz if there was a new 'E' in town, remember Doves, then there we're capsules Dennis the Menace, it all went a bit wrong when K and coke became the drug of choice, I think it's was dealers preferring to sell a gram of naughty chalk for £50 rather than a pill for less than £15, I understand E's are even less than that now?
all started whooping and cheering as they thought the dj was 'in the mix' when in fact the record has just reached a break
lolol...
personally speaking, I believe the whooping and cheering was for the enormous full body rushing sensations that the break induced..
I remember at one of the best parties I went to, there was a plate of spaghetti bolognese on each turntable and the 'DJ' was a travellers dog that was enjoying the feast.. (DATs being wonderful things)
I think as a rule, most people couldn't have cared less if the DJ was mixing a record or constructing an airfix kit of a boeing 747..
I call your posts.. TROLL!!
I understand E's are even less than that now?
last time I did any they were about 50p each..!!
it all went a bit wrong when K and coke became the drug of choice
Amen to that, brother! 👿
[quote=dazh said]Once you've experienced dance music on E / MDMA, a whole new perspective opens up, that's there forever.
+1.
Without wanting to exaggerate, it changed my life. I was 19 back in the mid-90s, going through uni and preparing for a future of career-driven drudgery the minute I graduated. Then some mates suggested I go to a techno night called 'Havok' in Manchester with them. The next few years were a bit of a blur, but it opened by eyes to a whole new world which most people don't even realise exists.
Out of interest, how did your uni period end up ?
I remember being blown away how the DJ could blend Afrika Bambaata with Pink Floyd - a few months laterthe Bassheads tune was out lol
Yunki wrote:
personally speaking, I believe the whooping and cheering was for the enormous full body rushing sensations that the break induced..
I loved the hands on the back of the head slowly exhaling as that warm fizziness washed over you, moments - especially when you made eye contact with someone at just the same stage of their rush. Bliss!
A life changing moment for me, 1989 Energy at Brixton Academy. Frankie Bones played this, still gives me goosebumps, as does the smell of dewberry oil, which all the girls seem to be wearing. Good times 😀
I was never a fan of old Detroit Techno. I've seen Juan Atkins, Robert Hood, Kevin Saunderson etc and found their sets really flat, ploddy and boring
I always feel a bit guilty for not liking the Inner Life stuff - in fact anything that doesn't have some element of 'soul' to it, which some of the techno seemed to lack.
Fantastic. I think I've met you back in the day TG. Was it compulsory for you to change whichever uber-niche genre of music you were into on a weekly basis? So you could dismiss anything else as just commercial shite, for people off their tits?
no, I have always liked nearly all forms of dance music, with some techno styles being least favorite maybe. Always had a bit of a problem with grime though. It is good to see a talented DJ build a crowd up into a frenzy, rather than have it done for him.
Clubbing tailed of post Uni with the onset of tinitus so I only caught in anger the initial uptake of chicago house, techno, uk hoouse like hardrock soul movement, etc.
Went to see Kode9 recently but couldn't make it to the early morning hour because of the sound pressure levels, even with earplugs and locating the 'quietest' place in the Koko which is behind the left staircase.
Don't mind commercial, do mind lowest denominator cr@p.
this should cheer you up then TG you grumpy old sausage.. 🙂
Just to bring it up to date, some very good techno being produced in 2012, play loud and let it build.
who would you rather meet down a dark alley a stoned lad who can hardly keep his eyes open or some pissed toilet wi a chip up his arse?
Ah yes the old hypertheticlal question to justify something.
Who would you rather meet in a dark alley. A stoned up person having a psychotic drug induced episode or the happy drunk singing and laughing?
It is good to see a talented DJ build a crowd up into a frenzy, rather than have it done for him.
That's where it's at. Slow burning sets, where you don't realise how the music has been evolving and building until all of a sudden it dawns on you... OMG!!!!! 😮
There's an amazing video on Youtube from Atomic Jam at the Que Club in Brum back at the peak of the techno scene in 1996, with loads of people I remember. I'm in there at 11.40ish, complete with pony tail and manic chewing gum action!
Still gives me goosebumps watching it.
The Que club, such an amazing place from 95-2002, the first Atomic Jam I went to was in 96 - Atomic Jam vs Megadog, Jeff Mills in 97 was stellar!
House of God was where it was really at though ( I still go to the one or two they put on a year )
I wasn't so much into H.O.G. (Went to a few at the Dance Factory / Subway City & The Que) although I do remember a spectacular NYE one at the Institute!
After the Jam, Spacehopper was my favourite night, for a bit of Goa Trance!
Ah yes the old hypertheticlal question to justify something.
True but iirc 75 % of domestic violence involves alcohol, 50% of all violence involves alcohol and A & E is full of drunks with fighting injuries
Nothing is safe in that sense but the hypothetical Q makes the point that alcohol makes folk angry [ on average] and more likely to fight than other drugs do[ on average].
Clearly other factors come into play as well.
Clearly other factors come into play as well.
yes, they are morons...
[watched some 999: what's your emergency last night - unbelievable.]
Out of interest, how did your uni period end up ?
Scraped through with a 3rd, then spent the next 2 1/2 years on the dole going to free parties in and around Manchester. By the time I got a job when I was 25 I was a little behind the curve on the career front and still am 🙂
I wasn't so much into H.O.G. (Went to a few at the Dance Factory / Subway City & The Que) although I do remember a spectacular NYE one at the Institute!
Christ, think I was at that one too...you didn't end up in a cake shop over Moseley way the following morning by any chance?!
@ Haze.
No, but I think most of the morning was spent waiting for the cloakroom fiasco to sort itself out! 😆
My brother and I did go back one morning to a house in Moseley that a chap called Tom we used to know (he was a friend of DJ Ben Kenobi(?)) shared with a couple of mates.
If you are after a more "deep" affair the may I suggest some deephouse, my mate LukeVegas on Soundcloud or Podomatic will furnish your ears with some sound.
Then theres Room84 Podcasts (soundcloud or itunes)
Oliver Schrones
Javier Orduna
Gert
And the Berlin lot of course, can't forget them now can we.
True but iirc 75 % of domestic violence involves alcohol, 50% of all violence involves alcohol and A & E is full of drunks with fighting injuries
Yeah it does but what is more readily available, alcohol or illegal drugs and which is the most consumed?
Ah yes, the Que Club, that was a hell of a venue. All kinds of odd rooms and corridors, very confusing when you perhaps weren't as aware as you could be!
Did anyone else attend the legendary Sundissential? Or Storm at The Emporium in Coalville?
Yeah it does but what is more readily available, alcohol or illegal drugs and which is the most consumed?
Really depends in what world you move. I assume for many all are "freely" available in the sense they could consume whatever they choose.
I used to drug education the facts are that alcohol is a related factor in most violence and drugs are[generally] not. Breaking it down per thousand user shows this as well- it is not just because more folk drink it really does make [some] folk more likely to be violent.
I am not saying rugs are risk free or ace and they do have risks. Fighting/violence is generally not one of them though.
You're [s]doing it[/s] did it wrong.
Hmm, a touch prescriptive there - individual experience being a [i]very[/i] subjective thing and all of that. To quote the Mighty Boosh: [i]"You ever drank Baileys from a shoe?"[/i]
Do any of the straight ravers ever get reduced to a wide eyed shivering blissed out wreck when they hear the old tunes..?
What do you think? [i]Final Frontier[/i] by Underground Resistance [i]still[/i] pretty much reduces me to tears (the best techno is like the best disco - there's a kind of innate melancholy). And old jungle records from circa 93/94 (the golden age of clattering breaks, sub-bass and colliding samples, imo) still hit me with asmuch force as any soul tune. I've spent countless nights dancing all night loooong with nowt chemical done my neck - I'm not moralising, I just like music.
I'm not disputing the effect E had on clubbing or music producers, nor the social ramifications (the pacification of football terraces), but IME there was also a hell of a lot of ****tery involved - dullards droning on & on about their intake. And having been romantically involved with somebody at that time, the emotional downside could be grim.
IME there was also a hell of a lot of ****tery involved - dullards droning on & on about their intake.
indeed there was
EDIT: no need for the negative vibes, maaan.
🙂
there still is
There's probably a rave equivalent of CAMRA these days. 😀
indeed, but does it remind you of anything? What tyres for this, tubeless for that, what rigid forks etc etc, myself included 😉but IME there was also a hell of a lot of ****tery involved - dullards droning on & on about their intake
Dear god!! I've never made that connection before. It all makes perfect sense now!
All a bit....
I did try a night at the Que once without any 'assistance'.
Overrated experience, was knackered by about 4am when the bar was closed and my beer stash had ran dry.
Still loved the music though and still do even though I haven't had a pill for about 7 years. I don't listen to much new stuff but it's great to have the odd night going back over my old tunes.
And yeah I guess it did make me a better person.
What tyres for this
'wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive [s]beats[/s] threads' 😉
Really depends in what world you move. I assume for many all are "freely" available in the sense they could consume whatever they choose.
Well I'm speaking of someone who sees both and I say alcohol is much more available, I've heard even shops sell it now.
Ah, dullards. They're in every community. The tent next door at my last music festival was full of 18 year olds who had [i]nothing[/i] to talk about except how much they'd had / were going to have.
These days it's all promoters, promises and dirty looks. Ketamine simply destroys the vibe of both the venue and the after parties.
IME there was also a hell of a lot of ****tery involved - dullards droning on & on about their intake.
Did you never get to hang out with the cool kids then?
Did you never get to hang out with the cool kids then?
Imagine if Napoleon Dynamite made a cameo appearance in [i]Dazed and Confused[/i], and you'd get a pretty good idea of my social standing.
Universally rejected. 8)
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I wasn't so much into H.O.G. (Went to a few at the Dance Factory / Subway City & The Que) although I do remember a spectacular NYE one at the Institute!
Was that one with Neil Landstrumm doing a live set and Paul Damage seeing in the New Year, that was a good un!