How the hell do you keep still for 90 minutes?
The music was MADE for ecstasy
no it wasn't - find me a producer that says that...
anything sounds good if you are out of it enough - and all djs sound great as well.
83 mgs - equates to roughly 2 pills - double dropping for someone whose never had e must be very intense!!!
double dropping for [s]someone whose never had e must be very intense!!![/s] Keith Allen must be like... breakfast
noteeth - Member
I've never taken MDMA. I spent my raving years entirely straight
You[s]'re doing it[/s] did it wrong.
E has never been my amouse-bouche of choice, but I've had a good few over the years. I didn't watch the prog, but if it's being put to use for the purpose for which it was originally designed (barring tinfoil hat US Military conspiracies) and if it's working, then good.
I've had some truly lovely and exceptional nights on MDMA, usually not in the conventional sense of dancing topless in a club, but more often in the hills of Royal Deeside with good mates, bikes and a bottle of whisky. Although these times are now but fading memories, they're good memories, and that's what humans should be made of.
Similarly, I am able to put on my rose coloured glasses and remember bloody brilliant nights down the pub, with good company, a cheeseboard and several pints.
Add to this that we can have a fantastic time without any of the above and it all boils down to "All Things in Moderation".
Apart from being moderated...
TurnerGuy wrote:
"The music was MADE for ecstasy"
no it wasn't - find me a producer that says that...anything sounds good if you are out of it enough - and all djs sound great as well.
Oh pleeeease! 🙄
No amount of E will make a crap DJ sound good!
A lot of electronic dance music is written solely for dancing to while on drugs and the sound tailored to the effects. (Techno - E, Psychedelic trance - LSD for example.) Not all producers would say this about their music, but I know a load who would!
I spent at least one weekend a month at techno (mainly) clubs on E, from about 95 to 2000 and had the best time of my life. I also met my wife at a club in this period and we're still happy together and still have several friends from our "raving" days..
I stopped taking pills around 2000, 2001 as I was enjoying them less and less, but my love of the music hasn't diminished. The opposite in fact!
I still love techno, psytrance and other forms of EDM with a passion today. Buy mountains of music and still go out to festivals and clubs now and then, but 99% of the time straight. Once you've experienced dance music on E / MDMA, a whole new perspective opens up, that's there forever.
83 mgs - equates to roughly 2 pills
You need a new dealer!
no it wasn't
It most definitely was. Not trying to be rude but was your "raving" done at your local Ritzy listening to stock aitken and waterman?
It was quite an odd experiment don't you think? Where was the music? Where was the dancing?
I know they are trying to sanitise the experiment and keep to a medical ethos but the experiences they.were having could have been heightened by music bad bouncing around.
It was ok, but never really flowed as a programme, looking forward.to tonight's more health benefits slant.
I found the most effective cure for 'wednesday blues' was to go out on MDMA again...
Kept it up for about 4yrs!
One thing I can never forget - is the rancid bitter taste.... no drink can disguise it...
I still love techno, psytrance and other forms of EDM with a passion today. Buy mountains of music and still go out to festivals and clubs now and then, but 99% of the time straight. Once you've experienced dance music on E / MDMA, a whole new perspective opens up, that's there forever.
you have just made my argument - you have a passion for the music now and you still go to festivals and clubs, but 99% of the time straight.
If E was so necessary then why do you not need it now - taking E was an extra to the music/dancing experience, it didn't make it.
What percentage of the population that take illegal drugs have a problem with them?
As a wild guess its lower than
percentage of the population that take alcohol have problems with it
TurnerGuy, the last bit of my post:
Once you've experienced dance music on E / MDMA, a whole new perspective opens up, that's there forever.
kind of answers that.
I liked but didn't really appreciate or understand techno until after dancing to it on E for the first time. After that, all became abundantly clear. Once you've experienced something quite profound - (also applies to LSD) you can't unexperience it. Those new doorways are open for the rest of your life.
Lets ask Bill Hicks about drugs
taking E was an extra to the music/dancing experience, it didn't make it.
Speak for yourself. You would have been doing, pretty much exclusively, in any club in the North west of England in the late eighties and early 90's
+1 Binners listening to music from those days makes the hairs on my arms stand up.
Similar music not experienced on E's doesn't have the same effect
M6TTF - Member
83 mgs - equates to roughly 2 pills - double dropping for someone whose never had e must be very intense!!!
That is pretty poor actually.
Back in the day most pills had 100mg of MDMA, a decent pill was on the way to 120mg....rave/club magazine Eternity used to send popular pills of the time away for testing and publish the results so you knew what was around and roughly how strong (or weak!) they were....a surprising number would have varying ingredients like MDA, amphetamine and MDEA as well as the sought after MDMA/Ecstacy.
One such memorable month they reviewed a pill they'd sent away that came back as having something like 200mg MDMA per tablet!....they wrote a warning regarding its strength....hahaha, that was like a red rag to a bull....just about everybody i knew was out that weekend looking for these pills!
TurnerGuy - have you ever taken it? Or been to a rave where everyone around you has? If so you will understand what everyone is telling you, if not you won't. 8)
I saw the programme last night, thought it was pretty good and balanced. Although most peoples experiences are generally joyous there are some effects that need to be seriously studied if they are looking at using it medicinally - for example the 2-3 days later comedown that can leave you grouchy and exhausted and the different effects it can have on people - that ex-SAS bloke just didn't get it!
I've had a fair bit of MDMA and I am not depressed. The only conclusion that I can draw from this is that MDMA should most certainly be used to treat depression.
I didn't watch the prog, but if it's being put to use for [b]the purpose for which it was originally designed[/b] (barring tinfoil hat US Military conspiracies) and if it's working, then good.
What was the purpose it was originally designed for ?
Ecstacy like the original Doves (way over 125mg I'd guess) is the most aptly named product in the world. Aaaaaaaah.... happy days 😀
There's an amazing video on Youtube from Atomic Jam at the Que Club in Brum back at the peak of the techno scene in 1996, with loads of people I remember. I'm in there at 11.40ish, complete with pony tail and manic chewing gum action! 😆
Still gives me goosebumps watching it.
Similar music not experienced on E's doesn't have the same effect
It's interesting though I think..
I was a right greedy pig with the MDMA in the end, and took it far too far, even getting to the stage of regularly injecting it, and I paid for my greed very sorely indeed.. I still tryed to relive the whole thing briefly again for a few years after the millenium though..
anyhoo... although I disagree with folk who didn't try it attempting to speak authoritatively about it, I truly wonder if the E's made as big a difference as we thought regarding the music..
For many it was so massively loud and new and sonically intoxicating, and the scene was so positive and rebellious and carnival-like, that for a lot of people, the experience of the rave on it's own could have been utterly mindbending and exhilarating..
I'm not saying that the E's did nothing though, cos sitting at home the effects were undeniable..
Do any of the straight ravers ever get reduced to a wide eyed shivering blissed out wreck when they hear the old tunes..?
Injecting MDMA?!!! 😯
What the hell does that feel like? Being fired out of a canon?!
it's not big and it's not clever.. and in fact, when I tried it again in my late 20s it was far too much to cope with and just ended up in blackouts and puking... 😕 😳
Once you've experienced dance music on E / MDMA, a whole new perspective opens up, that's there forever.
+1.
Without wanting to exaggerate, it changed my life. I was 19 back in the mid-90s, going through uni and preparing for a future of career-driven drudgery the minute I graduated. Then some mates suggested I go to a techno night called 'Havok' in Manchester with them. The next few years were a bit of a blur, but it opened by eyes to a whole new world which most people don't even realise exists.
I truly wonder if the E's made as big a difference as we thought regarding the music..
I think so. I wouldn't have become obsessed with amassing a huge collection of techno / electronica if it wasn't for the impression it had on me after hearing it on MDMA.
It's like comparing an old mono wind-up gramophone to fully immersive HD, 3D surround sound in full colour! It can transform a repetitive thump, thump, thump, into the most involving and important thing in your universe, spiritual even sometimes.
What was the purpose it was originally designed for ?
[url= http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa980311.htm ]It was designed as a diet agent[/url]
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Medical_use ]Small doses of MDMA are used as an enthogeon to enhance meditation by some Buddihst Monks[/url]
It can transform a repetitive thump, thump, thump, into the most involving and important thing in your universe, spiritual even sometimes.
I've tried explaining this aspect of it to people who've never done it and it's really difficult. What I find most amazing is that it stays with you. Hearing a tune from the past, or sometimes just even thinking about it and it all comes back. Shivers down the spine, hairs standing on end etc. Although non-users would probably be horrified by this and see it as some sort of long term dependence, psychological or neurological damage.
I love how closed minded people can be about music can be.
Some of the most innovative sounds have come from electronic music; yes you could argue that there are drugs associated with the scene. Though I don't think there are many genres of music that aren't associated with drugs of some description.
The only sort of music I can think of is not a true genre, conveyor belt pop. It's probably is clean as a whistle and crap as a pile of well crap.
I think a lot of people, not directly involved, fail to admit how Ecstacy utterly revolutionised a large section of society. In provincial towns and city centres alike, it changed a prevailing culture of football hooliganism, low level street violence and a woeful lowest-common-denominator nightlife into something truly celebratory and ground-breaking.
There was a window, before the gangsters and the guns, that at the time really did feel like utopia. What else could have fueled that?
I'm so glad I was part of it. It was genuinely life-changing
Exactly Dazh!
My bro. had already tried it before me and tried to explain the effects, but I couldn't grasp it (Not trippy like acid, not like amphetamines? What then??). I used to go to allnighters just on Whizz to start with, but I began to feel I was missing out big-time, so did my first pill and it was totally life-changing.
Even though I haven't done MDMA for years, those "rave" experiences have steered my life from then on and electronic dance music is as big a part of me as mountainbiking if not more! 😯
Quite often watch clips on youtube from the good old days of clubbing/raving (Quadrant Park I & II Entropy, Shellys, Pleasuredrome (Birkenhead has never had it so good......and never will again!, Golden, Fallows etc) and they always make the hairs stand up...they were best days of my life when it comes to partying and socialising, fantastic.
If there was a way to legalise it safely cutting out the middlemen, regulating it, pure dosage etc etc I would be back at the clubs tonight looking like that old guy you always used to see in the clubs gurning away who made you look and stare and think 'I dont want to be that old but when I am I hope to be out enjoying myself like he obviously is'!
Doves were my favourite, snowballs were best for getting completely tw*tted IME
Where am I going with this post? Nowhere, I just wanted to get a few things off my chest!
Post club parties then chillouts were just as good as the clubs.....but not compareable!
I cant believe that nobody has mentioned sex on MDMA!! Talk about heightened sensations and getting completely absorbed.
Fantastic days and so glad I experienced it, no regrets, just best memories of my life (apart from my two late teen daughters of course)
.....and that feeling on wednesday knowing it was only two more days til the weekend was a great feeling too!
Do any of the straight ravers ever get reduced to a wide eyed shivering blissed out wreck when they hear the old tunes..?
My point exactly Yunki
Edit: Maybe they do though!
Not just the old tunes! There's a wealth of awesome new dance music out there these days!
The scene may not be what it was (I blame the rise in popularity of coke & ketamine as much as anything,) but the music is still stunning!
Sorry this thread needs a soundtrack
Well, if we're getting into that....
Might as well join in then...
I'll not get invlolved in posting tunes I love, if you don't mind. The thread will be 100 pages long in no time! 😉
Anyway... 😉
MDMA to treat depression?
Possible I suppose. I'm convinced it's had a lasting (positive) mental effect on me, so I can see how it could work. Obvioulsy though, people are affected differently - I know a few people over the years who should never have dabbled, but that's the same with anything that alters your conciousness, I guess.
There's a wealth of awesome new dance music out there these days!
+ 1, and not just EDM.
general quality of music is up from the late 80s - then you bought an album expected maybe 2 good tracks on it plus fodder, nowadays albums are much more consistent.
It is just a shame that peoples expectations of quality are so low that they get away with compressing the hell out of produced music, so it sounds good in cars...
On that docu by Idris on dance music it hinted at the society changing effects of mdna.
I am not denying any effects of mdna, but as a dance music fan since the age of 14 I found looking at dancefloors of people using it as somewhat sad, they danced to anything and thought it fantastic and all started whooping and cheering as they thought the dj was 'in the mix' when in fact the record has just reached a break. Contrasted badly to what I regarded a proper club as.
Detroit techno, chicago house, NY garage was definitely not produced with these drugs in mind, if you think so then that is proof of the aftereffects of the drug.
A classic example:
A lot of the euro style techno definitely was produced to target white boys out of their heads on something, 'cos a lot of it was mindless, lowest denominator, and formulaic, with a faster tempo to help these guys dance, as they had problems with normal dance music, or even house.
Having said that most of it was good, and could well be elevated to great if the right memories are associated with it.
My memory is shyt these days - I was wondering if the excesses of those days had owt to do with it. Proffesor Nutt sez not tho
This may sound odd given my previous comments, but for things like depression I tend to err on the side that questions whether drugs which mess with your brain chemistry are a good idea.
As far as I know there's just not enough known about either depression or the effect of the drugs at a chemical level to go messing about with it.
Our scene back in the day!