[Closed] losing weight-does it make you ill?

You are merely making excuses for people you are not doing them a favour.

Please don't confuse my posts with others who are saying what they are posting is gospel. I'm just interested to explore the science here and don't have an agenda other than to point out things more complex than most people think.

Calorie restriction is not a long term solution, imo.

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glad you posted that .... it just confirms what ive said.

move more than you did , eat less than you would have had you moved that much.

Diet is a shit way to lose weight unless medical reasons prohibit moving more.

[i]glad you posted that .... it just confirms what ive said.

move more than you did , eat less than you would have had you moved that much.
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Sadly, I fear you haven't [i]read[/i] that. Selective reading, voluntary or otherwise, is the flaw in this format of discussion.
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Solo, this is STW. It would all work much better in the pub. Plus people would not find it so easy to resort to being rude.

[i]Solo, this is STW. It would all work much better in the pub. Plus people would not find it so easy to resort to being rude. [/i]

Aye. Having been a past offender myself, I do try now to moderate my [i]enthusiasm[/i] and my quantity of posts, here.

The only thing that has been proved beyond any doubt is eating more than you need makes you fat.

Here are some people eating a lot and not getting fat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7838668.stm
http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/

You say that if you eat too much you get fat. This is true for the MAJORITY of people, but not everyone.

Yes I abhore pathetic excuses.

I'm not making ****ing excuses! I'm only interested in the science. Because I want to be leaner than I am (incidentally, I'm not fat), and I want to figure out how my own body works and how to get it to do what I want.

I'll freely admit that I have eaten too many cakes and sweets in the past. I'll go into great detail if you want, and I have on here many times. I'm not hiding anything.

The argument I am trying to make is not a personal one. Please read carefully and understand. On this thread I am aiming to debunk the stupid thermodynamics argument. If everyone were the same, and it was down to calories into your mouth vs physical work done, then everyone's body would behave the same way

EVERYONE'S BODY IS NOT THE SAME!

Grips.

Its Friday morning, Chill.

[i]I'll freely admit that I have eaten too many cakes and sweets in the past.[/i]
Thats very honest of you and I've always had the impression that some folk find it easier than others to abstain from making poor dietary decisions, on a daily basis.
One-offs don't count, the odd indulgence should be part of the "[i]
balance[/i]" in their diets, that some people talk about.
Its the daily, repetition of poor diet choices, that does the damage, whether you're skinny or not, imo.

Excessive carbs in the diet goes further than just a wasit line measurement, in harming the body. imo.

molgrips, sd253 is just looking for excuses to insult people and get away with it. We would all be better off if we ignore him.

[i]i'll freely admit that I have eaten too many cakes and sweets in the past. I'll go into great detail if you want, and I have on here many times. I'm not hiding anything.[/i]

what about the cakes and sweets that you've been eating recently though, are you hiding those? 😉

One can only presume that you prefer eating cakes to losing weight but that choice is wholly yours.

Must not post... Must not post... dammit

SD-253 - Member

So someone who eats 2500 calories a day and then increases his calorie consumption to 5000 calories a day BUT does not increase the amount of calories they use WILL NOT PUT ON WEIGHT?

molgrips - Member

Some people would yes. And also depends on the nature of those calories. This has been proven beyond all doubt. Search for the guy who ate 5000 calories a day.

[url] http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-got-a-bit-fat [/url]

Its only a single test subject, granted, but there is a lot more evidence to debunk what you are trying to ram down peoples throats here.

[i]One can only presume that you prefer eating cakes to losing weight but that choice is wholly yours. [/i]

Feel better for that ?

So while your picking on someone, please try to remind yourself that person is also looking for a better understanding and that not everyone stands in the same place on the lipogenic curve. On account of past diet, age, sex.
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Solo, this is my point about the bigotry on here, and in RL. You see fat people tentativly heading to the gym to try and sort their lives out, and people laugh at them, patronise them, or are just plain rude. Arseholes.

One can only presume that you prefer eating cakes to losing weight but that choice is wholly yours.

I like loosing weight, but I also really really like cakes.

Why do I like cakes so much?

You see fat people tentativly heading to the gym to try and sort their lives out, and people laugh at them, patronise them, or are just plain rude.

I agree. Fat people have a problem - self control, self image, physical, whatever it is - but as a society we've managed to build up this exercise/diet thing into some kind of transient religion so it seems to some people like a really big deal to change your lifestyle.

Have you ever spoken to an obese person with low self esteem about exercise?

I am an obese person. I would say I have high self esteem, and just accept that I am fat and old as a fact rather than a failing. I do want to enjoy riding and live long so I am attempting to sort it out.

I don't know how I ended up like this, i used to be a gym bunny, fit as flea. Work, kids a bit of depression a few years a go. Then once you put it on, its bloody hard to shift.

[i]but as a society we've managed to build up this exercise/diet thing [/i]

Upto 1960s, people who exercised vigorously and regularly were generally regarded as health nuts. And prior to this time, significant volumes of exercise were considered unhealthy ( I know, difficult to imagine, today ). Then fast forward to the 70s and 80s and we see a boom in running, gym membership and people generally engaging in all manner of exercise.

During the 1960s, Jean Mayer - amongst others - regardless of starving rodents to death in his labs, had turned his attention to creating the belief that the sedentary nature of modern living with its escalators, cars, remote controls, etc. Was contributing to the increase in obesity. Again we see a hypothesis which instinctively appears to '[i]make sense[/i]' and so people started to believe that exercise, lots of it, was the answer.

Thats pretty much how we are where we are today. Burdened with the engrained dogma, this intrinsic link between body fat and exercise.
Good business if your in the recreational, health activity, sector.

Then once you put it on, its bloody hard to shift.

Yep. My weight is very stable - it is very hard to lose it, but it's pretty easy to stop it going on.

Here are some people eating a lot and not getting fat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7838668.stm
http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/

You say that if you eat too much you get fat. This is true for the MAJORITY of people, but not everyone.

You can see the smashthefat guy has very little muscle mass, despite being a trainer, so I would surmise he finds it very difficult to gain weight of any kind. Also I don't think he's trying to debunk "calories in vs calories out" - I just skimmed the pseudoscience on his site but I think he seems to be saying that his body is simply not absorbing the extra calories (and presumably excreting them) rather than energy just magically appearing or disappearing. I would also guess he has never been fat or had a problem with insulin resistance so I would bet the number of people who could replicate his experiment and get the same result are very few and far between.

You see fat people tentativly heading to the gym to try and sort their lives out, and people laugh at them, patronise them, or are just plain rude.

As diets go I can not emphasise just how easy the 5:2 diet is. Maybe it is phycological ie knowing you only have to do it for 2 days. Either way it is easy peasy. And just as importantly good for you. Try it and see.
Either way I am off to the village party where there will be lashing of cake and cider/beer. Followed by a cycle to the pub, only 6 miles and assuming I am not to rat arsed only 6 miles home. I will remove all those excess calories on Tuesday and Thursday by eating only 500 calories. When I say 500 calories I mean exactly that. I will check on the net that I have got it exactly right. No cheating with me

They are few and far between though so I don't really think it's something worth focusing on.

I'm not focusing on it - I'm using it to make a point that people are not simple heat engines.

The human body/heat engine analogy always looked a little suspect to me but I'm starting to realise that it's not as far off as I thought.
Try tipping a bag of sugar into your fuel tank and see where it gets you.

.loum - Member
The human body/heat engine analogy always looked a little suspect to me but I'm starting to realise that it's not as far off as I thought.
Try tipping a bag of sugar into your fuel tank and see where it gets you.

.toys19 - Member
I don't know how I ended up like this, i used to be a gym bunny, fit as flea. Work, kids a bit of depression a few years a go.

There was time to edit and still is

That would be just as wrong as writing it with prior knowledge. If you believe it you should say it.....unless the other bloke is a lot bigger than you.

this thread is so full of people talking bollox its difficult to know where to start lol

poah - Member
this thread is so full of people talking bollox its difficult to know where to start lol

Oh dear. They're back.

I suspect I may now know what the letters represent.
[b]S[/b] = small
[b]D[/b] = ....

I wish team SG were here......
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SD-253 - Member

At the beginning!

OP is feeling crap because he is 6 stone overweight and is probably overdoing the exercise. nothing to do with toxins being released from his fat.

To loose weight you use more calories that you take in but you also have to have a balanced diet so your body actually uses the stored calories rather than the sugars you take in.

I wish TSY were here. Read your first post on the page and your last one, Solo.

Dammit poah,how dare you be so sensible ?

thejesmonddingo - Member

Dammit poah,how dare you be so sensible

I'm a scientist, I hate inaccurate pish being sprouted 🙁

IME it takes some effort to exercise so hard you feel ill not to mention completely ignoring your body - which he's not.

My money's on some seasonal pollen causing irritation. Oil seed rape just coming out.

if you are not used to exercise then it won't take much to make you feel ill. happened to me a few week back.