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Can't be arsed with anything technical, what if I just don't eat occasionally, like for 24hours now and then, is that likely to work?
Would be similar to the five two diet where you restrict calories on two days out of five. Have a google, lots of resources.
Just get into my fitness pal. That will sort you out. ELEM
Nutritional ketosis, look it up, Amazing results IF done properly 😉
MFP is okay if you eat processed or packaged food, for people who cook all their food, it's rather useless, unless you weigh absolutely everything.
Eat less move more?
It's not that technical
Is this a troll?
easiest way is just to not eat anything manmade.
eat meat and fish and veg and fruit.......oh,and eggs 😀
ECA Stack.
IANAD
I lost around 8kg relatively easily (and I'm not overweight, just close to the top of the BMI healthy range) by cutting out:
Bread
Cereal (swapped bran flakes etc for no added sugar muesli topped with weetabix or shredded wheat)
Stopped eating between meals (but didn't reduce portions except for the bread element)
I know find cereal too sweet, even plain stuff like rice krispies and cornflakes 🙂
I've put a couple back on but found it easy to stay 6kg under what I was a couple of years back.
MFP just requires either some effort or imagination. Not that hard and makes you think about that extra bit of......
ton - Member
easiest way is just to not eat anything manmade.
eat meat and fish and veg and fruit.......oh,and eggs
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No more longpig wraps? :'(
Oh yeh, I used MFP as well.
Strange as you realise how sometimes a day that felt unhealthy was actually below target, although more often you thought you'd done good but something rather innocent ruined it all!
ECA Stack.
I tried a version of this (from the shelf). F ME. Never again.
I also need to lose about that much after a health enforced scaling back of riding coincided with Xmas over indulgence.
was useful in the pass to identify some surprising high calorie food to cut back on and to balance calories in and out.
As above is more difficult if cooking from scratch but you can quickly learn what you need to measure and what you don't- basically grains, potatoes, fat, red meat.
Dry January can cut quite a few pounds.
Another vote for My Fitness Pal. I wouldn't have thought I was. [i]that[/i] bulky but have lost one and a half stone by simply recording what I eat. I bought a set of decent digital scales, cook from scratch, and do weigh everything- it takes minimal time- and must say it have totally changed the way I eat. I was surprised how easily you can have a bad food day. Essentially, it has taken the hard work out of watching what I eat.
Bottom line is I feel healthier, stronger and leaner than I have done in years.
I lost about 20kg last year simply by eating less and moving more. It wasn't difficult.
I don't eat packaged food, perhaps the occasional emergency Greggs sausage roll but mostly it's chicken/fish and a bit of veg or more likely salads into the summer. I've used calorie counters and am generally ok until the weekend looms and I blow the calorie count on wine/beer and curry oh and im a bit fond of toast which probably isn't going to change.
I can't move any more @Artist thanks for you wise words but I already do c.8k per year on the bike and 30/60 mins running per week so it's not "move more" I just need to eat less and doing that gradually seems more difficult than saying tommorow I'm not eating anything.
ah yes that's in the plan too.Dry January can cut quite a few pounds.
MFP is okay if you eat processed or packaged food, for people who cook all their food, it's rather useless, unless you weigh absolutely everything.
Granted it's easier to just scan barcodes, but it's also got a massive database of cooked stuff which you can use to get a reasonable estimate, you just have to be honest with yourself and your portion sizes. I've not had to weigh anything yet just select how many cup fulls/plates or bowls I've had (I'm mostly making simple stews with lots of veg). What it does well is focus you on how much odds and sods you are consuming each day (chocolate, crisps and booze), but you could easily do it with just pure self discipline. I've only been using it for a week and already lost half a kilo.
I can't move any more @Artist thanks for you wise words
every single time someone starts a post about losing weight, some prat comes up with the move more thing..........i fricking despise it.
some of us fat blokes ride more miles than 99.9 per cent of the sofa jockeys who post on here.
I can't move any more @Artist thanks for you wise words but I already do c.8k per year on the bike and 30/60 mins running per week so it's not "move more" I just need to eat less and doing that gradually seems more difficult than saying tommorow I'm not eating anything.
Excuses excuses excuses. It's simple energy balance. Everything else is just bollocks. You're trying to make a change, you are meant to feel hungry at times. Fat people take more to feel full because they've stretched their stomach. Get a grip.
When i last weighed my portion size i was a bit shocked. Things like my morning bowl of muesli was about 4 times what it should have been!
Probably not.
If you want non technical, just stop eating sugar and white starch. That's it.
When i last weighed my portion size i was a bit shocked. Things like my morning bowl of muesli was about 4 times what it should have been!
Is that according to the packet? They're notorious for using stupidly small portion sizes, makes the cereal look like it has a lot less calories than it really has.
Felt decidely hungry today! Bloody MFP 😉
It's simple energy balance
so if I eat once per day, 2500 calories of cheesecake at midnight, this will be the same as getting my 2500 calories from a "healthy" diet split across 3 meals and a couple of snacks?
Since what and when you eat affects how much of your intake is used/stored it's not that simple. If it was, we'd all be ripped and we wouldn't have to have these discussions.
Even less seriously, the best answer I ever saw to one of these questions was years ago on misc.fitness.weights: "cut your head off with an axe" 😆
Out of interest is there a sugar subsitute that tastes like, well, sugar and does not have that horrible aftertaste.
some of us fat blokes ride more miles than 99.9 per cent of the sofa jockeys who post on here.
But that is only half of the equation. I know lots it people who go for long rides/play sport and then have a couple of beers and crisps afterwards. Net calorie gain often....
Fat people take more to feel full because they've stretched their stomach.
Doctor are we?
I lost 4kg without thinking about it too much with my Jawbone UP24. You can get a new up Move for about 40 quid. Worth a try...
Katie Hopkin's diet plan FTW
Out of interest is there a sugar subsitute that tastes like, well, sugar and does not have that horrible aftertaste
Nope. Readjust your palette. In other words, mtfu.
@****yman
I understand the need to eat/drink less and occasional hunger is ok, that wasn't the question and didn't need stating. Could I also suggest you talk to people online with no less respect than you would in person or people are likely to think you a gobshite.
Thanks though.
Excuses excuses excuses. It's simple energy balance. Everything else is just bollocks.
Citation needed. Go on, find one 🙂
5:2 diet is pretty good wilburt - it's just fasting, so pretty tried, tested and simple, but it's quite a good structure for the mental side of weight loss IMO (which is what it's all about).
MFP is great for taking a long hard look at what you're shovelling down the gullet on a daily basis - reet ballache keeping it up to date, though.
Not an app for googlephobes if you swing that way - what, when and how you eat is an analytics dream for insurance / healthcare concerns of the future.
Simple: no bread, potatoes or pasta. You'll be amazed how unstodged you become.
Yup, just snort brown rice & insert sweet potatoes anally.
I'll say it once..Nothing is off-bounds, it's what you eat/do regularly.
That's all anyone can suggest as general advice and for most, is sufficient.
I lost 10kg in 2 or 3 months after reading this article (it was linked on here) and then changing my breakfast habits. http://www.leangains.com/2012/06/why-does-breakfast-make-me-hungry.html?m=1
I used to eat breakfast at 630, then ride to work (only 20mins). By 9.30 I was starving and so ended up having a second breakfast to keep me going until lunch.
Now I only have black coffee when I wake up and eat breakfast at about 10am. This then means I have a much smaller lunch and no second breakfast. Took a couple of weeks to get used to, but since sticking to this I haven't put the weight back on.
I also do the same for an early Sunday morning ride - though if it is a long one I do have to take cereal bars with me.
I don't think you have to be particularly accurate with MFP for self made meals, just the act of recording what you eat makes you much more aware of the total (although you do have to be honest).
Another tip is to actually plan out your following weeks meals, then shop for them, I find it much easier to follow a plan than to just knock up something healthy at random every time. And if you are anything like me this will also seriously reduce food wastage.
You should rethink this if you are serious about ditching the lard.im a bit fond of toast which probably isn't going to change.
Try the 5/2 thing then, I've seen it work for a couple of people.
Wouldn't be right for me though.
wanmankylung - Member
I lost about 20kg last year simply by eating less and moving more. It wasn't difficult.
If it is so simple, how did you get 20kg overweight in the first place or why did you not lose the weight sooner?
+1 for MFP, it is a bit of a guide for home cooked meals but better than nothing and my experience is it isn't the home cooked meals that are the problem, its all the other stuff.
If it is so simple, how did you get 20kg overweight in the first place or why did you not lose the weight sooner?
I appreciate the question wasn't aimed at me but I did something very similar last year.
Why was I fat in the first place? Injury for the reduction of movement and stress eating alongside a curiosity for various shit food (homemade baked cheesecakes and the like) to push up the calorie intake.
I switched to eating Marmite and cheese sarnies of an evening and a small snack around midday if felt peckish. I also had a cheeky sugar fix by way of a small handful of bite-sized cakes in the evenings.
I ride daily, do a short workout daily and now the weight's off I can afford to eat the odd chocolate fondant and more enticing meals in the evening. I eat sugar, bread and cheese and the weight is still falling away. The jeans I previously wore are big (36") compared to the 30" waist version I now slip into. It worked for me and has done in the past, too, but that's not to say it would work for everyone.
The hardest part is the uncomfortable feeling of shrinking your stomach and facing the 'hunger' voices like a size zero model.
The hardest part is the uncomfortable feeling of shrinking your stomach and facing the 'hunger' voices like a size zero model.
**imagines Teasel daubing "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" on his walls**
wanmankylung - Member
I lost about 20kg last year simply by eating less and moving more. It wasn't difficult.If it is so simple, how did you get 20kg overweight in the first place or why did you not lose the weight sooner?
Ha, I thought that, preachy fat bloke telling people they're fat. Teh ironing.
**imagines Teasel daubing "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" on his walls**
*looks for camera*
Just exercise more you fat f****r,do all men go about worrying about their weight nowadays? my god its metrosexualtrackworld everyday:(,(goes off to pump some iron and maybe insult a foreigner).
Losing weight is easier than you think. Its amazing just how much you really need to eat to function living urban/in a city.
I lost 10kg in 2 or 3 months after reading this article (it was linked on here) and then changing my breakfast habits. http://www.leangains.com/2012/06/why-does-breakfast-make-me-hungry.html?m=1I used to eat breakfast at 630, then ride to work (only 20mins). By 9.30 I was starving and so ended up having a second breakfast to keep me going until lunch.
Now I only have black coffee when I wake up and eat breakfast at about 10am. This then means I have a much smaller lunch and no second breakfast. Took a couple of weeks to get used to, but since sticking to this I haven't put the weight back on.
Interesting article, I have the same problem, eat breakfast at 8am (high fibre cereal) and then starving by about 9am! Might try delaying BF for a few hours....
Less carbs, more protein will help. Protein keeps you fuller for longer so you won't want to snack as much thus reducing your over all calorie intake. Read Racing Weight or at least get the cook book which kinda explains the DQS thing which is basically eat quality good rather than worrying about calories and carbs too much.
Less carbs, more protein will help.
Not according to the article (assuming it is the CAR that is the problem).
I'm going to give the iDave / low carb diet a go. Got 20lbs to loose and usually loose only 1lb a week on 'normal' diets.
MFP is okay if you eat processed or packaged food, for people who cook all their food, it's rather useless, unless you weigh absolutely everything.
Actually MFP's database of food is pretty comprehensive IME, its not just processed stuff and McMeals, and you can input the details of anything you need to, IMO it actually suits the geeky "Male brained" types who love a good spreadsheet or graph and it lets you turn diet into data.
And yep if in doubt weigh your food, you'll probably find you eat bigger than recommended portions of all sorts of foods and never realised.
It will look at your diet and tell you if you are over/under consuming certain stuff Protein, Salt, Sat fats etc... quite handy if you are looking to adjust your diet but maybe aren't sure what to add/take out...
Plus it ties into Strava (and a few other activity tracking apps) if you like and awards you extra calories for the day, based on your ride data...
I have a mate who's been doing the 5/2 thing for a while now, you can tell when he's on a 'fast' day because He's bloody miserable, but he has lost a couple of stone without any significant exercise... still don't fancy it myself but everyone is different.
Or possibly try ditching the junk food (assuming you're eating some kind of processed breakfast cereal). I stopped eating breakfast cereal years ago as IMO it is junk but occasionally have it late at night as a snack if I am hungry/lazy enough. I invariably wake up absolutely ravenous though (much more so than if I had eaten something else or even nothing at all!) so it is obviously doing something weird to my body!Interesting article, I have the same problem, eat breakfast at 8am (high fibre cereal) and then starving by about 9am! Might try delaying BF for a few hours....
I cook most meals from scratch but I have a repertoire of about a dozen which I cook regularly which I worked out for MFP. Yes, it was a ball ache, but I only had to do it once! For other one-off meals I guestimate which is reasonably accurate once you've done the above but there are some scales on the kitchen counter in any case.MFP is okay if you eat processed or packaged food, for people who cook all their food, it's rather useless, unless you weigh absolutely everything.
I'm not preaching because I'm currently carrying far too much excess baggage but I have to agree with hora. The amount of food we eat in the west is far in excess of what our bodies require. I think we are just conditioned to accept it. Do we really need 2500kcal a day to remain healthy?
Plus it ties into Strava (and a few other activity tracking apps) if you like and awards you extra calories for the day, based on your ride data...
How do I go about linking them? Just installed MFP, looks handy and easy to use so will give it a try.
Do we really need 2500kcal a day to remain healthy?
MFP seems to reckon I need 3070, so will be on 2200 with a 800 deficit to lose some weight, more than I thought I needed to to be honest
I don't think an arbitrary figure of calories needed a day can be stated, and actually I think the stated guidelines contribute to the problem.
Calories aren't like a budget you can spend, it's a unit of energy, so varies by energy use and the efficiency/type of engine, time of day, temperature, mood, medications etc. SO for everyone it will be different.
One of the downsides for mfp for me was finding out I need to eat only 1700 calories a day to 'maintain' weight with some moderate exercise. I put this down to spending almost all day every day sat on my arse. I'd need to fundamentally change my life/get a new job to achieve the kind of weight loss I wanted to.
Subsequently I just maintain a more realistic weight for me, as long as I can still ride bikes/do judo/walk/run at a reasonable level, I am happy.
This is in essence what the problem is, it requires a paradigm shift in understanding at the individual level to properly understand what is going on, and what you need from a diet.
100% depends on your activity level. I used MFP (which is only going to be roughly remember) to work out I need 3000-3500 per day, based on cycle commuting every day, longer rides at the weekend, lifting weights or turbo 2-3 times per week plus being reasonably active throughout the day. As long as I eat this many calories in healthy food I maintain the same weight.The amount of food we eat in the west is far in excess of what our bodies require. I think we are just conditioned to accept it. Do we really need 2500kcal a day to remain healthy?
I was surprised about how much it said I needed but it makes sense to me. I did the MFP calculations because I suspected I was under-eating given my activity level and that this was causing me to feel run-down, etc.
I agree with that level of exercise you are going to need all the fuel you can get 🙂 the majority of ghe country probably don't move as much
chrishc777 - Member
Plus it ties into Strava (and a few other activity tracking apps) if you like and awards you extra calories for the day, based on your ride data...
How do I go about linking them? Just installed MFP, looks handy and easy to use so will give it a tr
I'd like to know how, too - been looking around MFP and Strava webpages but can't see it...
chrishc777 - MemberPlus it ties into Strava (and a few other activity tracking apps) if you like and awards you extra calories for the day, based on your ride data...
How do I go about linking them? Just installed MFP, looks handy and easy to use so will give it a trI'd like to know how, too - been looking around MFP and Strava webpages but can't see it..
From strava (on your phone) go to settings and there's a 'link other services' you then get Instagram and MFP. Well I do anyway.
Thanks for almost all the replies 😉
I already do quite a bit of fasted riding including the commute to work and usually a weekend ride which is rarely under 50 miles and often nearer 100 so dont get me wrong Im not massively overweight I lost 15kg last year pretty much just by cutting down on sugar but putting a bit back on over Christmas leaves me @ 95kg/182cm. The reason to lose more is improve cycling performance.
Given the replies my plan is thus:
January- No booze, cut out bread after 6pm.
Feb- (Should the weight not be dropping off) as Jan but with fasting one day per week.
March- cut my head orf!
Ta
edit: a MFP thats works with strava,that may work for me.
From strava (on your phone) go to settings and there's a 'link other services' you then get Instagram and MFP. Well I do anyway.
Cheers, it is indeed there. Just not on the web page. Wonder if it'll work when I upload to Suunto, which then sends it to Strava, will it then send it on to MFP?
(And should I be worried about how much of my life is online???)
No idea the only Suunto I own is a dive watch, the don't yet have a strava diving app 😉
January- No booze, cut out bread after 6pm.
Feb- (Should the weight not be dropping off) as Jan but with fasting one day per week.
March- cut my head orf!
What's the significance of 6pm? And why not try and cut out bread altogether?
Arbitrary time, other than itll be after my evening meal and excludes toast as supper. The prospect of no coffee and toast from my fave cafe c.10am may send me directly to March's strategy!
One of the downsides for mfp for me was finding out I need to eat only 1700 calories a day to 'maintain' weight with some moderate exercise. I put this down to spending almost all day every day sat on my arse. I'd need to fundamentally change my life/get a new job to achieve the kind of weight loss I wanted to.
similar here, Sedentary office job means MFP has me on 1500 Cal per day in order to loose 1kg a fortnight, obviously I can consume more if I am active (Commuting in/home gets me ~1000 Cal) so exercise carries the extra incentive of being able to eat more (because you need it).
But it also makes you consider what and when you eat, porridge with fruit for breakfast see's me most of the way through the morning, sensible sized lunches with a sensible amount of carbs get me through the afternoon, I have the odd bit of fruit through the day and I'm pretty much OK.
Plenty of water through each day, hydration has a big impact on my energy levels I find....
Oh and sleeping/rest is important, if your are fatigued by lack of sleep, you're more likely to eat convenient crap IME, so get some kip...
I'm avoiding processed stuff and hidden sugar/fat as much as practicable...
But I'm also only treating MFP as a guide, realistically I will go slightly over the the suggested figures quite regularly, but +100 cal here and there isn't as important as keeping to the overall plan, and shouldn't be treated as an excuse to go off piste altogether, I'm probably taking in 30% less calories overall than I did, and thinking more about the 'Quality' of those that I do consume.
Plus you re-asses your goals every ~6-8 weeks or so, it's flexible so you can choose to lose or maintain weight, or increase your activity levels and try to keep things sustainable in the longer term...
I'm evangelising, sorry...
Arbitrary time, other than itll be after my evening meal and excludes toast as supper. The prospect of no coffee and toast from my fave cafe c.10am may send me directly to March's strategy!
Just installed MFP, and discovered that my typical Spanish mid-morning elevenses contains nearly 400 calories - toast with tomato and olive oil, and a black coffee... you might want to think about that 10am cafe stop 🙁
How's it going so far?
You should have lost about 250g already if you want to stay on schedule.
hang on, let me drop the kids of first.
I can recommend flu followed by bronchitis. I've lost 8 lb since xmas day.
No or low carbs, worked for me.
Currently on a bulking cycle, so lots of nice things to eat at the moment :).
Shirley catabolism from fasting will hinder riding performance?
To the person looking for a sugar replacement, stelvia is naturally occuring, ;0)
Sorry the stelvia should be to nipper99, ;0)
Become a smackhead.
Homemade juices are a bit of a pain in MFP
Even it so far today between carb, fat and protein. Surprised at carbs in the chicken breast but that is added to the porridge so far.
This, along with minimising stress, is massively important and something I ignored for too long.Oh and sleeping/rest is important, if your are fatigued by lack of sleep, you're more likely to eat convenient crap IME, so get some kip...
If you're tired/stressed not only are you more prone to making poor decisions re. food, exercise, etc, you'll also mess up your hormone balance which could make it harder to lose body fat. It's also too easy to get into a vicious circle when you go down this road.
I found the taste/texture of neat stevia utterly vile (admittedly it's less noticeable depending on what it's mixed with).To the person looking for a sugar replacement, stelvia is naturally occuring, ;0)
I found xylitol much more pleasant (it's also very beneficial for your teeth apparently!) although I don't use either regularly and generally agree with MTFU line of thinking.