[Closed] London cyclist looking for help identifying bloke who assaulted him

How can the police do nothing, with such damning evidence? 😯

Although the registered keeper of the car was easily traceable it seems that on the day in question the vehicle was left unlocked with the keys in the ignition, only for it to be taken without consent but somehow later returned to the owner by person or persons unknown.

I'm sure this has been said but could they not check the video footage against the registered keeper!? How much evidence is required for the police to make any enquires!

I'd be interested to see what caused that though - people don't react like that to idle bystanders

the officer(s) who decided not to follow this up should be sacked.

I hope they get the bastard too.

Woody: http://road.cc/content/forum/37729-road-rage

I'm sure this has been said but could they not check the video footage against the registered keeper!? How much evidence is required for the police to make any enquires!

Having read the thread of road.cc, my understanding is that the video confirms that the registered keeper isn't the driver. Clearly the registered keeper knows who the driver is though, thus he is also clearly a total ****.

woody2000 - Member
I'd be interested to see what caused that though - people don't react like that to idle bystanders

You've never been to Bexly have you? (I'm serious it one of those place were people do kick off over you looking in their direction)

Reading the forum the car overtook at a traffic island, people shouted, the car stopped, some threat from the car driver then drove of wing mirror clipping one of the riders, punch was thrown. The clipped wing mirror may have a bit more to the story but the entire incident screams of thug trying to intimidate then lashing out.

On a side note I ****ing hate traffic islands when cycling they cause so many needless "close calls".

Why did he punch in the first place?!

Crazy.

bloody cyclists

FFS people give the Police a break, they do have other more important matters to attend to!

Like a bloke that may have once looked at a cartoon on his PC where the fictitious character was under age (under what 'age' I've no idea, do cartoon characters even have ages?) and semi-nude - child porn you know - obviously a danger to children! Or a 'foreign looking' gentlemen taking pictures of famous landmarks - well suspicious or what - obviously a terrorist! And then there's people selling Golly's. Everyone knows that's blatant racism, and Robinson's jam was a cover for the Ku Klux Klan.

I think our boys in blue do a super job. Yeah OK, they shoot the odd innocent person dead, beat to death the odd innocent person, lie and cheat and get the odd innocent person or persons incarcerated for long periods, run over and kill the odd innocent person, but come on, no system's perfect.

So, I guess it goes something like this:

"Oy mate, watch out you f*cking w*nker. T*sser" etc etc

"Who you calling a w*nker?"

<punch>

😕

Now, there's no excusing what the guy did, but you can only mouth off to so many people before, inevitably, someone's gonna get out and stick one on you. It's happened to me before, so I now just try and bite my lip as much as I can. At the end of the day, the kind of person who does something like that isn't going to change just cos you called him a name. And a dangerous nutter in 2 tonnes of metal is always going to win the argument!

I hope they find the guy though, after all, it could be a child's face next.

😉

someone fancy paying for this, might help:
https://www.icarcheck.net/icc/FreeSearchResult.aspx?R=KJ56HGF

Could he not be prosecuted for failing to name the driver?
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/172
or does that only apply to traffic offences, not getting out and thumping someone?

Now, there's no excusing what the guy did, but you can only mouth off to so many people before, inevitably, someone's gonna get out and stick one on you. It's happened to me before, so I now just try and bite my lip as much as I can. At the end of the day, the kind of person who does something like that isn't going to change just cos you called him a name. And a dangerous nutter in 2 tonnes of metal is always going to win the argument!

This is true but does that mean we (cyclist) should just be meek and never say anything to someone who endanger our life just incase they are mental? Is this any different from not stopping someone in the street who is being abusive?

This is true but does that mean we (cyclist) should just be meek and never say anything to someone who endanger our life just incase they are mental?

I think he means that if you're going to give some verbal abuse to a car with 4 big geezers, then be certain that you can back it up with something, otherwise don't bother - however justified you might feel.

Could he not be prosecuted for failing to name the driver?
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/172
or does that only apply to traffic offences, not getting out and thumping someone?

Yes it is just for traffic stuff, but I think the story said the car had clipped the cyclist before the assault, so you've got a traffic offence there anyway.

I would speculate that the (sounds to me like) bullshit about the key being left in the ignition was in response to such a request.

TheBrick - Member

woody2000 - Member
I'd be interested to see what caused that though - people don't react like that to idle bystanders

You've never been to Bexly have you? (I'm serious it one of those place were people do kick off over you looking in their direction)

yep, THIS.^

I called someone a "fat See You Next Tuesday" recently (in a bit of a pique). He had the window open and was none too happy. From a safe distance he decided to get out of the car and I realised that he wasn't fat at all...just about 6'3" of big bastard squashed into a small car. He'd have beaten me up just by looking at me sternly.

I did a little squirty poo in my pants and rode off like the wind.

Like ernie says, make sure you can back up what you say.

(None of the above condones what those meatheads did by the way; and yeah, the driver does punch like a girl what can't punch very well).

It's incredibly frustrating but these days I just let stuff go. Last time I challenged somebody it got way out of hand.
I got hit with a rounders bat and the back window of mrs. S's 2 day old car was smashed in. Thinking back, we both could have been killed that night over a row about driving. Let the cants get on with it.

I suppose I kind of meant what ernie said, you either need to be able to sort it out if it does get violent (and I don't just mean fighting), or you need to deal with it in some other way - take the plate and report it, that kind of approach. By mouthing off, [i]you[/i] become the aggressor and in some cases that's enough to get you a thump.

Not a member of roadcc, but has anyone suggested handing it over to Crimewatch - would make a good feature given that there is footage.

yeah crimewatch id parade lets hope it's there next month. To all you wonderers about what he did to provoke it, this is really irrelevant as he got assualted, you might think its ok to punch people but luckily the law doesn't.

According to the victim : [i]"I was shaken but not hurt".[/i] It's not worthy of a slot on Crimewatch imo - not by a long shot.

you might think its ok to punch people

Who said that then ?

take the plate and report

Unfortunately it's pointless, which is one of the reason people do it. Even that cycling barrister could not get the police to take any action after being present with video footage of some dangerous driving.

FFS people give the Police a break, they do have other more important matters to attend to!

No it's true. Like giving cyclists who go through a red light (causing no danger to themselves or anyone else) fixed penalty notices. y'know, like proper police work, fighting heinous socially destructive crime... 😉

So lay off them! The poor lambs. 🙁

I did a little squirty poo in my pants and rode off like the wind.

😆

He who insults and rides away lives to insult another day. 🙂

Now if the cyclist were anyone important (a celeb)the police would have got a court order to get all the calls made by the owner and interviewed everyone he had called in the previous week. You can bet the "thieves" would be among them. When dirty Di died in the tunnel they checked out every Fiat with the same paint as they found on the Merc! Now if you or I died in similar circumstances it's unlikely they'd even look for paint marks.

It's not worthy of a slot on Crimewatch imo

But I think the bigger picture of many of these sorts of assault is.

There are several similar incidents on film - a nice montage + Feds talking about how it IS taken seriously would be a welcome development.

Prosecute the Police for not doing there Job Not like they have to do much being they
have the Car reg and face pic.

Ah, rings, funny punches, must be freemasons. That explains it

That is just outside a restaurant called Ferari in bexley village .

it is unreal the police can do nothing about it with this kind of evidence .

i thought there was speculation that the agressor, or someone associated with the aggressor, was actually a police person? with all the evidence an intentional avoidance seems more likely than otherwise, though if bexley is that dangerous they might be very over-stretched at the cop-shop.

To be honest, that * attack* wasn't much of a problem was it? Scary but the driver couldn't hit a barn door. My wife punches better than him. He should hand himself in for being a bit of a wendy.

oh I dunno, a smack to the back of the helmet can sting some...

Bexley is not that dangerous .

Well Last week taken delivery of a Specalized Deviant full face helmet
So done an Urban ride around the Docklands for a few hours to test it.

Along comes Mister Smart Arss.
Not happy about cutting me up once but twice
I gives i am what a T****er sign with the wrist the second time.
Then he swerves and pulls over, giving the big N running up to me
but then at the same time he gets a shock has i take the helmet off
and hes faced with a grown man.
I Battered him at the road side and left lying on the bonnet of the car.

there's just not enough random acts of cuddling in the world.. all a bully really wants is a nice big lovely hug.. try it

The film clip would have given a lot more credit to the cause if they had had the balls to show the previous 30seconds that led up to the punch. I wonder why they edited so short? Can only assume that their behaviour was inflammatory, even if that is not the case.

That reminds me:

I wonder why they edited so short? Can only assume that their behaviour was inflammatory, even if that is not the case.

Certainly seems to be getting a lot of publicity!

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23969106-road-rage-caught-on-camera-motorist-punches-a-cyclist-and-8201-just-because-he-couldnt-overtake.do
(don't read the comments)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14125396

FYI: the person who filmed it had apparently cycled 150 miles and only turned the camera on when he saw trouble developing - hence the short footage.

I love the karate video. Its a proper Clint Eastwood moment, one punch, the dude is as cool as cucumber. I'd be hiding indoors asking my Mrs to sort it out..

me thinks there are too many Daily Mail readers posting on this here!

The cyclist was assaulted! it's irrelevant what caused the cock-in-a-car to flip his lid as the fact remains he assaulted someone for something rather trivial (regardless of blame). The cyclist could have been behaving like a fixe-rider but it wouldn't change the fact he was the victim in this.

What's the betting that when the person who assaulted the cyclist is finally uncovered, that it is someone like a police man?

What's the betting that when the person who assaulted the cyclist is finally uncovered, that it is someone like a police man?

I sincerely hope not as I like to believe our police force are little bit better at managing their anger than that nonce

I wouldn't want to be the owner of that car. Pretty well known amongst London cyclists now

Clear assault and I am sure the Police will do something about it. They are ordinary people like the rest of us and have their share of good and bad. Drawing attention to this ugly assault will help. Like many services they get stretched and cant and don't deliver everyones expectations.Its a shame these articles spend half the time knocking the Police rather than criticising these ugly people in our society who think they can get away with violent crimes like this. Im not in the police ! but I think we need some balance here!

What's the betting that when the person who assaulted the cyclist is finally uncovered, that it is someone like a police man?

🙄

Was in the Evening Standard today with decent photos of the thug.

What's the betting that when the person who assaulted the cyclist is finally uncovered, that it is someone like a police man?

No offence to the plods on here just a joke. I very much doubt it would they not have flashed the badge and arrested them ?

hhmmm ... imagine the cyclist pulled out Mr Smith & Wesson or Mr Glock or Mr Beretta and popped those blokes a few times and rode off normal. That would be a good laugh. 😆

Elfinsafety - Member

He who insults and rides away lives to insult another day.

Not on 32/16 he doesn't.... 😆

At the end of the day, none of us know what enquiries the police have or haven't done. So they may be useless, or they may have done or be doing all that they can. All we can be certain of is that the driver is a cock.

Not on 32/16 he doesn't....

What a bastid you truly are. 🙁

Just to test a theory:

Get in someone else's car, find a police man, tickle him a lot, Maybe a hug too, drive off, brief the car owner with an implausible lie. And see what happens.

Let me know how you get on.

Seriously.... The half arsed approach of the police is more shocking than the attack.

could the assailant be an employee of News Corp and the cops at the time not aware that the Murdoch Invincibility Cape was losing it's powers?

Or maybe the investigating cop called NOTW to find out who owned the car, but there was no-one in at the time?

I thought copper, the one doing the restraining? I don't know why people think it's unbelievable that a policeman would do such a thing?

I generally don't bother with the police unless I have to. My respect totally died the day I went to attend an alarm at work and two policemen sped up to me and shouted at me to get on the floor, whist shouting armed police and hiding behind their cars open doors. After much are you joking comments and trying to explain, I did lay on the floor at which point they burst out laughing. That was it for me.

Andy - Member

Elfinsafety - Member

He who insults and rides away lives to insult another day.

Not on 32/16 he doesn't....

Or a Brompton...

[url= http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/9139998.UPDATE__Man_arrested_over_cyclist_road_rage_attack/ ]A man has been arrested[/url]

Good update. Will follow with interest...

John Nicholls, 29, of Edwin Road, Dartford, a carpenter apparently.

Possibly....

J Nicholls Carpentry & Joinery
61, Havelock Rd
Gravesend
DA11 0JQ
07928 374735

Not the photographer one then?
http://www.jnphotography.co.uk/

Handed himself in apparently: http://road.cc/content/news/38853-breaking-bexley-video-attack-man-arrested

I just KNEW the met were on the case all along

John Nicholls of Dartford in Kent attended the police station accompanied by a solicitor, at which point he was arrested on suspicion of assault.

It'll be good to see how the car bit is dealt with. Would be nice to see a nice chunky fine or a community service order for the owner for hindering a police investigation (or whatever the legalese for that is).

[i]poor man who had his motor nicked[/i]

and then returned... (complete with cyclist BLOOD!)

Yeah either matey gets done for nicking a car or the car owner gets done for lying, which is it to be I wonder?

car owner offence is just as bad IMHO and obvious lie but yes will be interesting to see.
So assault, TWOC, no insurance stacking up a bit that is.

[b]Are all those who said it was a copper now willing to apologise for leaping to a ridiculous conclusion?[/b]

Are all those who said it was a copper now willing to apologise for leaping to a ridiculous conclusion?

I won't apologise for saying it could have been a copper, after all coppers kill, take drugs, drink and drive, take bribes etc etc.

[i] all coppers kill, take drugs, drink and drive, take bribes etc[/i]

All part of the service, sir.

yes no need to apologise for being wrong 🙄 You said you thought copper not you thought it [b]could[/b] be a copper BTW .there is a difference.
I suspect all professions do what you accuse the coppers of - politicians and journalists spring to mind - why did you not say it was one of them? Perhaps a chippy after all chippies kill, take drugs, drink and drive, take bribes etc. To see an assault and assume copper with no evidence is a bizarre leap and shows some serious bias .
Anyway you said something daft that is now know to be wrong. I also can see no reason why you should apologise for letting your prejudices cloud your judgement and leaping to conclusions:roll:

JY keep your powder dry. In time you will find that oldgits instincts are right. There is a "babylon" connection to this story.

oh tell me more then- whats the link?
I am not saying coppers are not corrupt or occasionally lie. I just cant go into this hating of them. I have been hit by them on protests for no reason but it does not mean ACAB is true.
Most coppers I have met have been OK tbh.

You'll see in time.

I have a mate who is a lawyer, specialising in "lifers". She funnily enough says this "Most murderers I have met have been Ok".

I'm not saying cops are as bad as murderers, I'm saying there is a logical flaw in Saying this :[i]Most coppers I have met have been OK tbh.[/i]

Because they might seem alright, but when you are not looking or anyone else isn't looking they could abuse their power. And most coppers I have got to know have admitted minor abuses of power to me. Lets face it they are not going to to casually brag about fitting people up or beating the crap out of people are they?

All I am saying is open your eyes/mind.

28% of reported crime in the uk leads to a conviction.

1.4% of cases reported to the ipcc result in action being taken against an officer (either disciplinary or more).

Does this mean that the police are a special breed of ultra law abiding people? I find it hard, nay impossible to believe the the police force does not represent a cross section of society. To me I am suspicious that ipcc is not as independent as it should be. I'm not looking for 28% but 1.4% is very very sniffy.

[i]I'm not saying cops are as bad as murderers[/i]

I should f&*in hope not!

You said you thought copper not you thought it could be a copper BTW .there is a difference.

It was the nicely ironed shirt.

He just looks like a copper to me, the restrainee? that is. My sisters in the Met and we go to their socail centre in watford. Bit shocking what you see.

All I am saying is open your eyes/mind.

28% of reported crime in the uk leads to a conviction.

1.4% of cases reported to the ipcc result in action being taken against an officer (either disciplinary or more).

I don't know if it is or not, but I would suspect that a lot of the cases reported to the ipcc are the kind of "how dare you stop me, give me your badge number I'm going to make a complaint" type stuff.

Stumpy, maybe, but then a lot of normal reports re similar aren't they? Neighbours stitching each other. Anyway A complaint does not necc even go the IPCC, a member of the public complains to the relavent copshop.

I also expect there to be less crime in the cops than in the general public as the nature of the job will put off a huge number of crims from applying, and you can't apply if you are already a convicted crim, but then it might attract other types of crims.. Also you would hope the training/selection process will weed out the bad apples.

How much isn't reported? I never reported the two that pretended to be armed police for a laugh. And another that throttled me when I was a teenager.
So your a 17 year old punk, just been strangled and threatened to be thrown over a bridge by a copper, hardly going to walk into a station to report it are you. More likely you'll just have utter contempt for them for the rest of your life.

oldgit, that is a good point, I've been on the receiving end of it and I never reported it.