Boils my p p proverbial that the tories can collapse the country to the state it us now, then basically hand over the stinking wreck to (probably) Labour and then blame them for it and no doubt get back in for another 13 years afterwards.
informal pacts in order to freeze out the snp
It is a constant source of frustration that non-SNP elected officials won't stop being unreasonable and just support the SNP and independence. Why are they being so pig-headed? (As an aside, is there a tally of on how many occasions the SNP's MPs has voted with the Tory UK government?)
Interesting that the soup-snatching Labour council appear to have been responding to, err, council staff that said the free soup idea wasn't practical:
Officers developed the option of soup and a roll for all young people in secondary schools, but said there was an issue with providing it to primary school pupils “due to the specific nutritional requirements that apply to younger children, the cost of equipment, the recruitment challenges and the very high costs of staffing across so many settings.”
The final recommendation from officers in their report was not to proceed with the idea
https://www.thenational.scot/news/23186491.stirling-pupils-denied-soup-roll-labour-tory-councillors/
But why doesn't the SNP just legislate universal free school meals at national level, anyway?
(As an aside, is there a tally of on how many occasions the SNP’s MPs has voted with the Tory UK government?)
Not since the 1970s I don't think.
You vote for the Scottish Green Party don't you TJ?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16123031.snp-tories-join-forces-green-plan-abolish-council-tax/
Not since the 1970s I don’t think.
But when Labour doesn't vote with the SNP, you call them inspired by tribal hatred, undemocratic spoilers, unconstructive reactive oppositionists, working against Scottish values of compromise, etc etc. 🤔
No I did not say that. Stop making stuff up
Try reading what I post
What I said is labour working with the tories is a disgrace because they are supposed to be a social democratic party and they are working with a hard right party against another social democratic party.
I have no issue with coalitions, S+C deals or other pacts - thats how holyrood and scottish councils are supposed to work
How anyone in the labour movement can countenance a deal with the tories is beyond me. Its why I and many other previously lifelong labour party members can no longer vote labour - because the labour party in Scotland have forgotten who the enemy is. I expect the lib dems to work with the tories. I do not expect the labour party to do so
I do not expect labour representatives to be urging the voters to vote tory. I do not expect them to be cheering tory wins. I do not expect them to be doing coalition deals with the tories
its an utter disgrace for a supposed left of centre party to behave like this.
If yo cannot understand that then I am sorry for you. tories are the enemy and labour need to remember that.
Ernie - you do realise that was a green motion and would have fallen no matter which way the tories voted?
So "SNP and Tories join forces against Green plan to abolish council tax" is okay then? And as a Green Party supporter abolition of council tax is presumably a policy which you voted for.
I am not entirely clear what is and isn't acceptable. To add to the confusion you have given an example of Labour and the Tories not supporting a policy which the SNP, it turns out, also doesn't support. Unless apparently they are in opposition, in Sterling.
I don't think you understand how Holyrood or councils in Scotland work. Never mind.
Never mind.
It's usual for you not to pursue an issue and attempt to provide clarity! 😉
when Labour doesn’t vote with the SNP, you call them inspired by tribal hatred...
...No I did not say that. Stop making stuff up
Try reading what I post...
tjagain
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I cannot think of a single positive policy put forward by labour in Scotland. Partly because the SNP stole their social democratic clothes and partly from the tribal hatred labour have for the SNP leading them to automatically oppose anything the SNP propose
Posted 1 week ago
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/snp-finance-thread/page/10/
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nice bit of editing.
Its obvious you do not want a debate just a bit of point scoring. You omitted all the other pejorative stuff you made up
You do have a tendency to deny saying what any reasonable person can see that you have said TJ, and then accuse other people of 'making stuff up'.
You strongly denied that you had said Labour is motivated by tribal hatred of the SNP but you then are completely dismissive of evidence that you did.
Stop accusing people of making stuff up when it is obvious that they haven't - it's just daft.
And this is a bit rich:
Its obvious you do not want a debate just a bit of point scoring.
When said a few hours after posting this:
I don’t think you understand how Holyrood or councils in Scotland work. Never mind.
You decide to shut down the debate because you patronisingly claim that I don't understand the issue.
Although the real reason is undoubtedly that you couldn't explain why the SNP opposition on Sterling council was demanding a proposal which SNP controlled councils don't seem to apply. Rejecting the proposal was 'disgusting' according to you but there doesn't seem to be a problem if SNP councils don't implement it.
The town is Stirling
Holyrood is a proportional system and works very differently to Westminster
SNP councils do not have a national manifesto and what you put up was a false equivalence
By editing out the other things I was objecting to polite camera action totally changed the sense of the statement
LOL
goshdarm you got me 🙂
SNP councils do not have a national manifesto and what you put up was a false equivalence
You castigated Labour minority controlled Stirling council for not accepting an SNP proposal to provide free soup and rolls to school children, calling it disgusting, and yet you apparently don't have a problem with SNP controlled councils not providing free soup and rolls.
I'm not sure I would call that a false equivalence, double standards would be a more appropriate description, IMHO.
Not behind the paywall at the moment…
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/morten-morlands-animated-cartoon-on-the-local-elections-gfxwtfdrx
The quotes in that article are amazing in their shamelessness. They're basically
We did this thing that makes everything worse for everyone because we though it would help us. Turns out it didn't so now it's a stupid idea.
"presented unionism with another reminder of its shrivelling demographic and political position."
It was always going to happen but it's still remarkable imo.
In other news, no voter ID only affected a small number who turned our to vote.
Not sure if they counted all those who didn't bother trying to vote as they knew they didn't have valid ID......
BBC News - Local elections 2023: Thousands didn't vote due to ID rule, data shows
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65602231
"one" is too many.
