It’s a form of cognitive dissonance – be part of the Elite while simultaneously proclaiming yourself to be a Man of the People.
Very much the archetype of the populist leader. It's a classic play by the right ring populists, I understand the theories behind it, but what I still can't quite get is how they manage to get the public to swallow it. As you say, Farage, Johnson etc successfully sell themselves as anti elite 'men of the people', and they are seemingly very successful at it! Many people appear to believe them!
lots of decent Conservatives
I know a bunch of centrist conservatives who aren't voting for this shower next GE. They can't bring themselves to vote Labour, might vote lib dem, but most likely will either spoil ballots or not vote.
I genuinely think the smoking ban is a good thing, probably poorly executed but actually coming from a place of trying to do something good for once. Of course that means the Tories are going to bicker their way to inaction over it because it's too 'woke' or other such shithousery
but what I still can’t quite get is how they manage to get the public to swallow it.
It's the fact that their "logic" is never challenged in interviews or by the media in general when it is so blatantly false, or even the opposition. I know it is very on trend for STW to blame the victims (ie the voters) but we are really being failed by a corrupt system, the Westminster bubble and the media are not passive observers in all of this, they are absolutely complicit in driving false narratives that enable populism.
She might have been challenged a bit this week, but lets not pretend that is the norm. A considerable contributor to her "madness" is that she hasn't been challenged anywhere near enough through out her political life
The journalists do challenge them
Occasionally and generally with the tories only once they go way beyond sanity.
A great example is Truss. Despite her whining about the press attacking her budget when you look at the first couple of days it simply isnt supported. The right wing rags were praising her and the beeb was staying in line.
It was only after it became obvious things werent going well that the media switched to mentioning there might be a problem.
Hold on - and I appreciate people are not going to like this - but Truss was the daughter of a maths professor and a teacher/nurse, and didn't grow up in London. She got into Oxford and was hired by a giant multinational as an accountant. She did all that on merit.
I don't see her as an insider or a member of the elite in the same way that Rees-Mogg, and Stephen Kinnock, and Johnson are.
And now here she is grifting away for a stance that, taken to its ultimate conclusion, will see the Tories legalise drugs.
She did all that on merit.
I think firstly we have many recent examples that an oxbridge education, especially a PPE, doesn't signify brilliance or any special dedication, work ethic or intelligence. IMO it is likely that her "academic" father guided her through education to a level beyond her natural ability. An oxbridge education does however create a whole different world of entitlement and opportunity based on "establishment momentum" rather then merit, that is clearly an alien world to most of us inhabit.
Maybe she’s pretty academic but just a ****ing arsehole?
And now here she is grifting away for a stance that, taken to its ultimate conclusion, will see the Tories legalise drugs.
That's the thing, I was desperately hoping an interviewer might ask her about her stance WRT legalised Heroin or Cocaine this morning.
Not been able to listen to all of her doing the meeja rounds today, but has anyone challenged her new found libertarianism with that (rather obvious) line yet?
Maybe she’s pretty academic but just a **** arsehole?
That doesn't seem to to stack up. The evidence is that her Dad is Maths professor, she claims to be fascinated with numbers yet doesn't really understand the economy. She went to a fancy school in Leeds, then did PPE at Oxford - most of the senior MPs across the house do PPE at Oxford. It's like the gateway into Parliament for middle-class entitled twerps who think they are born to rule the rest of us, yet they're not that intelligent.
The best thing about Truss V2.0 is that its clear she's got some serious right-wing finacial backing and probably had some eye wateringly expensive coaching sessions, and she's still completely shit
An Oxford PPE does however create a whole different world of entitlement and opportunity based on “establishment momentum” rather then merit, that is clearly an alien world to most of us inhabit.
Corrected that for you, having seen the inside of that bubble for the last 3 years.
And now here she is grifting away for a stance that, taken to its ultimate conclusion, will see the Tories legalise drugs.
Whoa there. Won't happen until Big Weed is pumping the money into Tufton Street and the Conservative Party.
The evidence is that her Dad is Maths professor, she claims to be fascinated with numbers yet doesn’t really understand the economy. She went to a fancy school in Leeds, then did PPE at Oxford – most of the senior MPs across the house do PPE at Oxford.
Regression to the mean. Having two bright parents does not guarantee a bright kid. Getting into Oxford to do PPE is not out of reach for a mediocre pupil with the right schooling and preparation.
Imagine how dim she must be to end up like this, despite having brainy parents on tap and a vastly superior education?
I know a couple of PPE Oxford people who are perfectly normal and not entitled.
The established route of awfully frightfully posh grammar, then PPE, then politics is sadly representative of many MPs
she claims to be fascinated with numbers yet doesn’t really understand the economy.
Doesn't seem to really understand numbers.
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The best thing about Truss V2.0 is that its clear she’s got some serious right-wing finacial backing and probably had some eye wateringly expensive coaching sessions, and she’s still completely shit
She really is a different person from what she once was or at least, she hid it well in her Libdem and earlier Tory years.
From the cheese speech to the restrained though deluded performance she now gives must have cost a packet, as you say.
I also agree about the backers. If she was a kid she'd be getting the parental lecture about "hanging around with the wrong crowd" and are they really your friends?"
She doesn't really seem to understand anything at all, prefering to live in the far right fantasyworld that exists only inside her head.
Lets face it, by any metric she's an out and out ****ing weirdo!
The best thing about Truss V2.0 is that its clear she’s got some serious right-wing finacial backing and probably had some eye wateringly expensive coaching sessions, and she’s still completely shit
Spot on. And btw I have tea all down me now
She can’t even hold her book the right way up!
With her reappearance hawking her book, she’s getting referred to as former pm. I think they should change that to failed pm.
"I think firstly we have many recent examples that an oxbridge education, especially a PPE, doesn’t signify brilliance or any special dedication, work ethic or intelligence."
Tell me you didn't get into Oxbridge without etc etc...
But seriously: OK, that may be true. She's a provincial outsider that achieves nothing special in your eyes. Painting her as "London elite" is even more misleading in that case.
I find this actually quite horrible. She along with her daft acolytes almost crashed the economy and continue to cause a huge percentage of the country financial harm through increased mortgage payments if not more. That she is not treated as a pariah sickens me TBH
If you listen to her pathetic excuses on that Newscast interview for what happened when she drove the economy off a cliff, it’s glaringly apparent what a clueless halfwit she actually is
Its hardly a ringing endorsement of Oxbridge PPE graduates and the rest of Westminster has many many more examples of the same dysfunctional establishment sausage machine, not least her equally brain dead sidekick Kamikwasi
Listened to the full interview, good lord 🤯
She’s a provincial outsider that achieves nothing special in your eyes. Painting her as “London elite” is even more misleading in that case.
Who went into some specialised accounting jobs directly after Oxford. Bean counters have no business managing things, they should be used as advisers. (Spoiler I work for a management accountant but he's a rare breed who listens to advice and knows his limitations, Ms Truss is not such a person).
In @binners quote on the previous page, is she saying Boris touched people in ways they didn't like? Surely that's not what she's written.
If anyone thinks what Truss/Kwarteng did in spiking the economy was accidental or the result of incompetence, it is they who are deluded.
"In @binners quote on the previous page, is she saying Boris touched people in ways they didn’t like? Surely that’s not what she’s written."
I was totally suckered in by it as well but apparently it's a parody.
A very good one, as it's absurd but also believable.
Every time I hear her, I really get the impression that she isn't well (in between the ears).
How the **** she got to the point where she was RUNNING THE COUNTRY, should really worry us all.
See also, Donald Trump...
apparently it’s a parody.
A very good one, as it’s absurd but also believable.
It’s telling that if you look on Twitter there are actual quotes and there are piss-take parody quotes, but it’s virtually impossible to distinguish them from one another, so ludicrous are her ‘accidental Partridge’ statements
There's a quiz on the Guardian, you have to guess the actual quotes from her book, its not a massive surprise to say that many of the right answer read like parody.
There’s a quiz on the Guardian, you have to guess the actual quotes from her book, its not a massive surprise to say that many of the right answer read like parody.
Try it for yourself
9/16. That. Is. A. Disgrace!
9/16 need to ignore her in future.
8/16 hope I never need to hear of her again.
Well a lot Truss 'anti-fan' club doing a great job of talking her down on the radio whilst pointing out she's got a book out.
Well done on the marketing to all involved.
The publishers are well aware that she’s a laughable figure in this country to all but a small band of swivel-eyed loons, so the book won’t sell at all here. We’ve all had quite enough of her shit
It is aimed squarely at the US market, which is full of fat right/MAGA nutjobs who lap this shit up. They’re the few people stupid enough to believe her conspiracy theory nonsense
She stood on a platform with Steve Bannon while he praised Tommy Robinson for a very good reason. That is the market for her latest grift
Well done on the marketing to all involved.
Do you remember the hullaballoo when Jacob R-M wrote that book about notable Victorians and he'd included just the one woman in the whole thing? My wife's party piece is that she writes v dry academic works, and her last book has consistently outsold his pile of rubbish.
I doubt Liz's book is going to be a massive hit just because we're talking about it.
She's also betting that the UK, with the help of a slow and constant poisoning of the media landscape by the "think tanks" she's in contact with, will be closer to the USA in 5 or 10 years time as regards public politics than it is now. She's not old... she could have a very long public grifting career here in the UK if she plays it right. This book can sell bugger all and she can still get paid in the long run.
It is aimed squarely at the US market, which is full of fat right/MAGA nutjobs who lap this shit up. They’re the few people stupid enough to believe her conspiracy theory nonsense
I'd be amazed if, between them, they could muster a single shit about a UK ex-PM has to say. That's even before taking into account her record breaking time in office.
