Ah... back to your "Strong Leader" view of the world. "Don't resist Putin..." you were more fun when you were all excited about Trump.
Ah… back to your “Strong Leader” view of the world. “Don’t resist Putin…” you were more fun when you were all excited about Trump.
I have not changed my views though.
Let's see if your transactional leader will solve the current energy crisis.
Christ, imagine this being how history will remember you.
https://twitter.com/TheBishF1/status/1583088199693664257
Christ, imagine this being how history will remember you.
For 100k/yr I could live with that 🙂
Brexit is NOT an energy crisis but a bureaucratic one (EU side).
The only bureaucratic problems have been caused solely by the UK's decision to leave the Customs Union.
UK Ideological zeal has got us to here, nothing to do with the EU whatsoever.
Ethelred the Unready.
I know literally nothing about that king of old, other than the fact that he was surprised, possibly by a cake.
History will remember Truss in a similar light, I feel.
Temporary Truss?
Transient Truss?
Truss the Perfunctory?
Krishnan Guru-Murthy has been taken off air for a week by Channel 4 News after he was recorded using an offensive insult about a government minister.
From c4.
another casualty of all this I hope he gets back on the tv
Steve Baker has one of this personalities that perfectly encapsulates the word ****
if you saw him crossing the road it would be a public duty to run the **** over, then back up and hit him again.
BJ coming back as leader then being forced to resign the following week by the select Committee for lying to parliament is surely the next step in this farce isn't it?
Ethelred the Unready was in power for 37 years!
That's approximately 300 times longer than Temporary Truss
EDIT
Just been on a wiki dive. There are some disturbing parallels...
Ethelred the Unready was king
Deposed and sent into exile by an upstart who only lasted a few weeks
Came back from exile and returned to power
Temporary Truss?
An Acrow Prop then. 😁
History will remember Truss in a similar light, I feel.
Who?
I said back when the final two went to the party members... when people of the future are asked to list the Prime Ministers of the UK, nearly everyone will forget to name her. Even fewer will if her name is supposed to be sandwiched between "Johnson" and "Johnson" (don't think it will, but if it is, no one will remember her name... it'll be an answer on Only Connect).
BJ coming back as leader then being forced to resign the following week by the select Committee for lying to parliament is surely the next step in this farce isn’t it?
Sounds about right!
She will look back on her days when she was burying the queen as her best days in office, it really was off the cliff edge after that.
Yet there's sufficient racist bigoted unethical selfish Tory voters in the country to think it's OK for the lying cheating deceitful bag of piish and shiite to come back.
He should have been hung, drawn, quartered and his balls ballsack put on a pike on tower bridge.
Temporary Truss?
An Acrow Prop then. 😁
*inserts wolf of Wall Street applause gif here*
I’m stealing that
Yet there’s sufficient racist bigoted unethical selfish Tory voters in the country to think it’s OK for the lying cheating deceitful bag of piish and shiite to come back.
I am not sure if racist bigoted unethical selfish Tory voter is a fair description of me but it would be fair to say that I would be quite happy if Johnson was reinstalled as Tory leader.
When Johnson was Tory leader I considered that it would be a disaster for ordinary working people if he was replaced by the Tory Party as his replacement would be certain to be significantly more right-wing than him, which of course is precisely what happened.
Whoever replaces Truss will almost certainly also be more right-wing than Johnson, Sunak definitely. When he was chancellor Sunak was frustrated that Johnson wasn't making "difficult decisions", in other words slashing government spending aka austerity.
There is little chance I reckon of Johnson being reinstalled as leader though, imo it is way too early since he was dumped.
Therefore brutal austerity causing misery to millions during a severe cost of living crises is pretty certain imo. Except for one thing which changes everything - I very much doubt that the Tories will be able to put off the next general for another two years.
If they attempt to imo the humiliation of a 30 plus percent Labour lead caused by Truss and her mini budget will continue. Voters won't tolerate the Tories repeatedly changing leaders with no mandate, especially as things can't possibly get better.
I am not sure if racist bigoted unethical selfish Tory voter is a fair description of me,l but it would be fair to say that I would be quite happy if Johnson was reinstalled as Tory leader.
+1
But remember, Johnson was the one whose colleagues found him so appalling they ganged up and forced him out despite the fact he was their electoral golden goose. How the hell is he going to run a government if he comes back?
Well he won't come back.
Edit: Also remember that Johnson's downfall started with the Tory vote to protect Owen Paterson, up to that point Labour has been trailing in the polls since the general election.
The coup de grace that finished him off was him elevating Chris Pincher, the disgraced Tory MP, to the post of Chief Government Whip. That was when his career as PM ended.
It is rather ironic that it was Johnson defence of other Tory MPs which got him in so much trouble, rather than directly his own behaviour
I think whichever tory can outrun a combine harvester whilst carrying a bull elephant seal should be prime minister
Boris promised a lot for working people and delivered sweet **** all, his spending all ended up in the hands of the corporations and his mates, while services suffered. The front line suffered austerity without the reduction in government spending it normally entails because it was all filtered into the hands of the already wealthy and greedy.
I am really surprised anyone is still fooled by his act of promising everything, and replacing failed delivery with more promises and bluster.
I think whichever tory can outrun a combine harvester whilst carrying a
bull elephant sealJohnson should be prime minister
FTFY
Bring Mr Blobby out of retirement.
Appropriate trolling by Pointless on BBC1 just now - "British prime ministers who served more than 2 years"
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I’m going to stick with my prediction from a week ago of Kemi Badenoch.
I dunno, the betting odds on the Babadook are 28/1
I am really surprised anyone is still fooled by his act of promising everything, and replacing failed delivery with more promises and bluster.
And I am still surprised that anyone should believe that another Tory leader would have been better for working people than Johnson.
I would be genuinely interested in the names of Tory politicians that people feel could have been credible alternatives to Johnson, and had significant support within the Tory Party. I know of none.
And I am certainly pleased that Johnson was Tory leader during the pandemic instead of Truss, Sunak, or any of the other alternatives, which could reasonably have been Tory leaders.
Because that was the choice..... Johnson or another Tory with huge support from the party.
There is no one left in the Conservative Parliamentary Party that has the support from within their party, and will deliver for working people. That includes Johnson. He is not an exception in that regard, and is worse than most. Take off the rose tinted glasses… most of the rest of country has.
I wish the monarchy had more power in this sort of thing.
The new leader going to King Charles asking for permission to form a Government and Charles just saying "no, you're all rubbish at it, you can all just **** off".
For sale. Two exclamation marks. BNWT
and is worse than most.
Well go on then, give me a name of someone who would be better.
I name Johnson as my preferred choice to lead the Tory Party, if he is worse than most naming someone else with a good chance of becoming leader should be fairly easy.
If you look at the last list of 8 contenders for the job they overwhelmingly look worse to me. Which one would you have picked to steer the UK through the pandemic? Since you claim he is worse than most.
Edit: btw your reference to rose tinted glasses is interesting Kelvin. Because I often feel that I am trying to debate with people wearing blinkers ..... "I hate all Tories, I can't say one is better than another because I hate them all"
It is a nice simple and reassuring attitude but it doesn't confront reality. EG, Liz Truss is considerably worse than Boris Johnson. That is the reality - not all Tories are identical and nor are their effects on people's lives. Open your eyes.
you'd rather Charles was in charge? could be interesting
if he is worse than most naming someone else with a good chance of becoming leader should be fairly easy
Just written down ten immediately. I’ll post it here if your ever tell us who the Labour Party should replace Starmer with.
Which one would you have picked to steer the UK through the pandemic?
All accounts say that Johnson had to be pushed into doing anything during the pandemic, by his ministers, by his advisors, by the scientists, by civil servants… by the opposition. He wanted to sit back and let the bodies pile high… he got his wish, even though it could still have been far worse if hadn’t been corralled into eventually taking measures, especially during the winter wave. He killed thousands, and damaged the lives of many more.
Engaging? More like denial but that’s individual’s choice.
The only denial I’m seeing is from you. The climate crisis is real and immediate action needs to be taken. It should be front and centre in every single news bulletin and the primary mandate of all countries and political parties. Everything else pales in comparison.
Just written down ten immediately. I’ll post it here if your ever tell us....
Wow, we're playing a game now. And apparently I'm playing with several people it's become "us".
You know very well what position with regards to Starmer as Labour leader is, so why are you asking something which we have repeatedly gone over and over again? It hasn't changed.
You have told us that what you think of Starmer, but that talk of replacing him is irrelevant to you because the problem is the Labour Party.
Well, the problem here is the Tory Party. I don’t care who they pick, as long as it results in speeding up the entropy in the parliamentary party, resulting in a general election and a new government with a Labour PM at its helm.
They have people who can lead them better than Johnson. I don’t think they have anyone who can pull them together and hold off and win the next general election. And I don’t want them to. I want them out. ASAP.
All accounts say....
Ah the irrefutable "all accounts say".
By their own accounts this is what a couple of Johnson's minister had to say of his handling of the pandemic. When they were both tipped to replace him:
https://www.ft.com/content/29c44cda-47b7-499d-8e57-5b84900a7a30
https://mobile.twitter.com/guardian/status/1562842337448890368
Yes some of his ministers weren't happy with Johnsons - according to them he went to far, with listening to scientists, lockdowns, etc
Which one would you have picked to steer the UK through the pandemic?
I was going to say "Johnson steered us through the pandemic"? But @kelvin puts it much better.
All accounts say that Johnson had to be pushed into doing anything during the pandemic, by his ministers, by his advisors, by the scientists, by civil servants… by the opposition. He wanted to sit back and let the bodies pile high… he got his wish, even though it could still have been far worse if hadn’t been corralled into eventually taking measures, especially during the winter wave. He killed thousands, and damaged the lives of many more.
some of his ministers weren’t happy with Johnson
The ones courting the votes of Tory members who were against the measures he belatingly put in place? Right oh. Anyway, the time for arguing with people who claim that Johnson “got all the big calls right” on the pandemic is over, I’m not interested.
And I am certainly pleased that Johnson was Tory leader during the pandemic instead of Truss, Sunak, or any of the other alternatives, which could reasonably have been Tory leaders.
Truss and Sunak didn't run for leadership in 2019.
The people who filled out the top 5 were Hunt, Gove, Javid and Rory Stewart, all of whom would have handled the pandemic more competently than Johnson, and none of which would have declared 'Let the bodies pile high in their thousands'.
Good point Doris, and a reminder of just how far we've fallen.
Generally speaking people wait several years before they attempt to rewrite history. Now it seems to have been reduced to about 10 months.
https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnsons-tory-rebellion-coronavirus/
U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson suffered the biggest parliamentary rebellion of his premiership Tuesday and had to rely on opposition support to pass plans for tighter coronavirus restrictions.
The measure passed thanks to the support of the opposition Labour Party, by 369 votes to 126.
Despite having a huge Commons majority Johnson had to rely on the Labour Party to get important legislation through to protect lives and protect the NHS. Because such was the opposition within the Tory Party.
The idea that another likely Tory leader such as Truss or Sunak would have been better is daft. Truss has rubbished Johnson's pandemic strategy as being too draconian and Sunak has rebuked Johnson for listening to scientists too much.
Johnson was repeated condemned by the right-wing loonies in his party and right-wing loony tabloid columnists, with their talk of "covid socialism" and "corbyn-lite".
Not all Tories are the same. If the polls are to be believed millions agree with me that Truss is worse than Johnson was. It's okay to say that you think Johnson was better, it doesn't make you a Tory. Well not unless you are a 10 year old in a school playground perhaps.
