they say “coloured people” instead of “people of colour”
Not racism, just honest to goodness ignorance from those that use the former term. How hard can it be to be less offensive to those that differ from you?
I am intensely opposed to all prejudices, including those based on colour, sex, race, religion, politics, sexual orientation, and class.
So "woke" then despite your protestations to the contrary. Welcome to the caring side or were you just trolling?
There’s woke police 🚨 !!?? 😳
What does 'woke' even mean anyway? It seems so be some sort of slur made by bigots to anyone who shows an ounce of compassion about anything?
Its all going much as I thought / hoped..
truss has trashed the Tories reputation and is so incompetent that she has her party openly rebelling against her meaning she will struggle to get any policy changes thru parliament.
What does ‘woke’ even mean anyway?
It's an American import, just like "people of colour".
>So what happened between 2017-19 that caused areas of the UK to return Tory MPs after having elected Labour >MPs since the Labour Party first became a credible political force?
Corbyn
Corbyn
I'm afraid that isn't the correct answer - Corbyn happened in 2015.
The Labour vote went up in the red wall seats in 2017.
I had to look it up...
"Woke means being conscious of racial discrimination in society and other forms of oppression and injustice."
So to be anti woke, it basicaly means you do not belive in justice, and in favour of opression and are a racist.
Ok, gotcha.
they say “coloured people” instead of “people of colour”
Both sound like discrimination to me.
basicaly means you do not belive in justice, and in favour of opression and are a racist.
Yup, but surely you can tell from my posts that I don't believe in justice and that I am in favour of oppression and racism? Why the need to look it up?
I had already outed myself in the first post on this page.
So what happened between 2017-19 that caused areas of the UK to return Tory MPs after having elected Labour
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that hugely divisive Brexit thing?
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that hugely divisive Brexit thing?
Correct!
I've solved it at last. Ernie is Alf Garnett
Who's saying all Labour voters are racist apart from Ernie? Many Labour voters who voted Tory last time were as Brexit was generally touted as keeping rhe foreigners out of our borders and politics, ergo playing to the racists. If people voted for Brexit for economic reasons they may not have racists but they were idiots.
Yup and now that those that voted for brexit are realising that everything promised is turning out to be the exact opposite....
The Tory/Blukip vote is collapsing
People want the faragist/ Johnsonian fantasy of a britannia unchained, but they are getting is Britannia Unchained.... and the free market deregulation Singapore on Thames that many who financed brexit are now building via Truss & Kwarteng.... well that's not for the benefit of the little people
If people voted for Brexit for economic reasons they may not have racists
Well that's an opinion you don't often see on stw. Apparently you be a working-class brexit supporter without being a racist.
Perhaps that needs to be said a bit more often?
Apparently you be a working-class brexit supporter without being a racist.
Of course you can. Jesus, same, same, same straw man, again and again. Dull as…
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If people voted for Brexit for economic reasons
They were pretty thick
Of course you can. Jesus, same, same, same straw man, again and again. Dull as…
Don't give me that shit Kelvin, don't pretend that working-class brexiteers aren't automatically labelled as racists by many on here, if not the majority.
And if it's so "dull" why keep the issue topical by throwing your three pennies worth into the debate? Just ignore it and carry on discussing Liz Truss.
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Yeah I get it, it's so dull that you want the discussion to stop after you have made your point.
So what are you, racist, stupid, or a hedge fund manager?
You don't have to choose only one answer... hahah!
I might not be able to devote myself full time to the ol' racism.
Another one bites the dust (hopefully)
"Conservatives from all wings of the party are angry Truss is prepared to ditch Boris Johnson’s promise, made in May, to uprate benefits in full, potentially leaving millions of low-income families hundreds of pounds worse off in the middle of a cost of living crisis."
Well it's good to see that Conservatives from all wings of the party are uniting.... against a Tory prime minister.
I’m amazed that a call for party discipline from such a moderate, considered, intelligent and unifying voice as Suella Braverman has fallen on deaf ears
I don’t see any mention of Truss’s travel expenses as Foreign Secretary. From the Guardian:
Liz Truss racked up a bill of almost £2m on overseas visits during her final months as foreign secretary, according to new analysis that the Liberal Democrats said showed she had “quite literally been taking the taxpayer for a ride”.
In 20 trips during the first six months of the year, a total of £1.8m was spent, despite the now prime minister’s call for prudence with public money and government departments being told to find “efficiency savings”.
The figure far exceeds the £67,000 her predecessor as foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, spent on trips abroad in the six months before the Covid pandemic, which caused global travel disruption and in-person meetings between world leaders to be abandoned.
The visits made by Truss between January and June included some related to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. However, these were on the relatively inexpensive side when compared with a £454,000 trip to Australia, another to Washington DC that cost £229,000, as well as a tour to Rwanda and Turkey that cost taxpayers just under £200,000.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/09/liz-truss-foreign-secretary-overseas-trips-cost
What saddens me is that my parents were quite implicit that people should be treated equally and fairly, when I grew up.
It’s pretty depressing to see them drift to the right as they’ve aged, my dad certainly way more openly homophobic and both seem to have become more racist, especially towards Travellers/ gypsies & eastern Europeans as well as South Asians etc, even though as far as I can see they have very little interaction with them.Much of this prejudice comes from the media they consume.
Brexit certainly brought out a side to them I’d not seen/ been aware of. They bought into the vote leave/ farage propaganda & bigotry very easily
My parents have gone the same way, they both read the Daily Mail. It's absolutely heartbreaking to watch two people who brought me up in a tolerant and welcoming family go down the route they have.
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oops.. I was just being lazy ..
My sincere apollogies ... gahh!
I can't edit the post now, @MODS, feel free to delete the post.
I don’t see any mention of Truss’s travel expenses as Foreign Secretary. From the Guardian:
Also from that article:
Truss has tasked Whitehall departments with cracking down on waste. Last month she told Sky News: “There are plenty of areas where the government can become more efficient"
When I first heard Truss make the claim that there could be plenty of efficiency savings in government I thought how can that be - we had 12 years of Tory governments.
I now see from the £1.8 million travel bill that the former Foreign Secretary racked up in 6 months exactly what she meant.
This. Is. A. Disgrace. as they say.
I don't think everyone that voted Leave is/ was a racist. It's far more complex than that. However, I do believe that Brexit facilitated a more racist outlook in the country in general, allowing a racist undercurrent to come to the surface. And I believe that it was possible to foresee the way that undercurrent was being played on before the vote (the Farage posters, etc.) and how it would play after.
So when deciding the way to vote, it wasn't purely about Leave or Remain, but a basket of reasons AND IMPLICATIONS
So I don't think everyone that voted Leave was a racist, but I think many set aside the potential or likely outcomes in deciding their vote.
And that's how we find ourselves where we are now, where people like Patel and Braverman are empowered to implement nasty racist policies.
I don’t think everyone that voted Leave is/ was a racist.
No but every racist did vote Brexit.
here comes the U turn on benefits - again told that if she took her policy to a vote she would lose even if she made it confidence vot https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/09/liz-truss-on-verge-of-major-u-turn-on-real-terms-benefits-cut
It sounds like braverman is suffering a bit, and correctly so! But she's the thick end of an even thicker wedge.
I'm quite partial to some French cheeses. So I'm obviously a disgrace to England.
every racist did vote Brexit.
Well the majority of Tory MPs, including Liz Truss (in yet another attempt to keep this thread OT) voted against brexit.
So it's good to hear that the majority of Tory MPs in 2016 weren't racists. And as it goes against the apparent stw consensus that the Tory Party is a racist party it's nice to know that isn't the case.
I assume that as no racist voted Remain Liz Truss can't be accused of being racist. Will she be abandoning the Tories blatantly racist policy of deporting non-European refugees to Rwanda?
My parents voted for Brexit. They could not be described as working class. I'm not sure if they're racist or not, but my mother voted for it to "keep out all the Romanian immigrants".
Which I always thought quite odd considering her father-in-law was a Romanian immigrant.
I suspect they fell for the idea that they were part of a brave minority, standing up to defend The British From the woke liberal elite and the onrushing tide of globalism. When in fact they were just conned by some duplicitous liars.
Truss desperately trying to unify her MP's behind her now after totally alienating them.
She's appointed a Sunak supporter as new trade minister.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63194208
She's a complete lame duck now which at least means her more damaging ideas are less likely to be implemented.
There's quite a lot of comments here that rely on racism being binary when I'm sure it's a spectrum that we are all on at some point.
Has anyone seen the ideas being floated for changes to how child care an nurseries are funded? Absolutely terrifying, this is a batshit mental idea
The English system is already regressive - kids with working parents get enhanced child care and nursery provision pre-school. This would compound that further where you'd have kids with motivated and better off parents securing them a better pre school education and those at the bottom potentially turning up to reception having received no formal educational support.
The main issues with child care are a) there isn't enough of it and b) it's expesinve and c) a postcode lottery. It's already in crisis. These eejits could end up crashing what is already a vulnerable system without fixing any of the problems.
It does also feel like it's the sort of thing they'd like to do to education and healthcare more broadly. Preschool kids being the sandbox to try it out because they're a small minority.
No but every racist did vote Brexit.
So you're saying that of the millions who didn't vote, none were racist?
Mate of mine voted in favor of brexit. He is in no way a racist and is a great believer in equality and human rights. I asked him why and he answered that he just liked the idea of us being entirely independent and not answerable to others. "Just like why I went self employed" he said. I wonder how many others voted for the same simplistic reasons without any more deep thought about it?
There’s quite a lot of comments here that rely on racism being binary when I’m sure it’s a spectrum that we are all on at some point
Maybe, but I find it more interesting that Brexiteer's voting motives are still a discussion at all six years after the initiating vote and after the whole thing was declared 'Done', it's cast a long shadow.
The fact that "anti-woke" is now a political position that people identify with is a part of Brexit legacy (IMO). Throughout the whole period since the leave vote the right generally, including the Torys, have been refining their appeal to those who see themselves as "anti-woke" but how it's defined seems just as adjustable as Leave voter's motives, which depend on the miscellaneous chips on their shoulders.
I suppose the real question is how important is that whole 'anti' position is to voters Vs the other policies Truss seems able to adopt and drop at short notice which seemingly do have a material effect on their lives... To be clear they thought you were all too busy raging about pronouns, being allowed to 'call a spade a spade' and "cancel culture" to care much if they gave the wealthy a tax cut and took the limits off of banker's bonuses.
Basically If you vote based on perceptions of "woke-ness" you're a plumb, it's a distraction from the actual game being played...
I am working-class, I intensely dislike “wokism”, and I very strongly supported leaving the EU.
Then you're an idiot. That's it. Wonder when/if you'll have your "Lt. Colonel Nicholson" realisation?
Truss’s travel expenses as Foreign Secretary
The reason she can't see that SHE should save money is because SHE believes that it's us who should be saving money, not her.
Reminds me of work, example:
I worked for a large retailer in the mid-80's and we'd almost gone to the wall (financially) and a bloke (future Tory MP) was brought in as Chief Exec. Headlines in the Yorkshire Post were how he was going to cut costs, get rid of company cars & the like etc etc. When he came on board first thing he did was quadruple the size of his office and the second thing was the company bought both his & his wifes' company cars that he'd bought (at a discount no doubt) from his previous employer. He continued to enrich himself while I was there, while fiercely reducing our incomes.
Since then I've worked for many companies, many at C-level and everywhere I've worked there's a 'bar', if you're below you get shat on, above you're rewarded for shatting on those below. Anyone who's worked in the US will recognize this behaviour, as they don't even try to hide it there.
I find it more interesting that Brexiteer’s voting motives are still a discussion at all six years after the initiating vote and after the whole thing was declared ‘Done’
It's still being discussed six years later because a significant proportion of Remainers, including many on stw, simply can't accept the referendum result and move on.
They want to endlessly discuss the issue and denigrate those who voted Leave with their main criticism being based on allegations of racism.
Which they then deny when challenged.
