I don't have kids, so this is a purely objective observation.
Disregarding my earlier posts, what is the benefit to risk ratio of this little adventure?
I suspect the kid gains nothing, but is subjected to at least some degree of risk.
So I'm going to put this in my "low risk, but completely unnecessary" category.
Take the kid to see the waves crashing into the beach at the bottom and all the birds flying around, surely that's far more entertaining/enlightening for the kid and less risk?
What do I know though, I do pretty much every extreme sport there is and my body is a mess as a result of my incompetence and the occasional unavoidable accident, yet I still continue 🙂
What do I know though, I do pretty much every extreme sport there is and my body is a mess as a result of my incompetence and the occasional unavoidable accident, yet I still continue
we all/most do similar pf, it's just that she's dragging a toddler along
aye, that's sort of what I was getting at Dave, despite the fact that we mitigate the risks we expose ourselves to as far as possible, something invariably goes wrong from time to time.
There's a 99% chance that no harm will ever come to that kid as a result of her mum climbing, probably more chance of her getting hit by a car, but (despite the fact I do believe it's low risk) I don't know if I could live with myself if anything happened to my child after an accident whilst I was participating in a sport with inherent risks. I think that's the key thing isn't it? SHE is climbing, the kid gains nothing and has no choice.
I really hope that if/when I have kids that I'll be walking up my favourite munros in decent weather with junior strapped to my back, taking in the wonders of the great outdoors, but I doubt I'll be climbing with them to be honest (i'm not the most elegant climber, and my ice skills make even the most crazed axe murderer look controlled at times 🙂 )
having given it further though, I think the climbing may be an unnecessary part of the "I want my kid to be part of everything" lifestyle she wants to enjoy. Just can't seem to see what purpose/benefit it offers to either her or the kid.
A few random thoughts, Daily Mail kneejerking aside.
It's hard to tell from the picture how severe the climb is. It could be a short slab which is about as technical as your average stepladder, or a long difficult slog. I'm inclined to think it's the former, especially as it's reported that she uses that route for coaching, so the overall 'risk' is perhaps not as high as might first appear.
If it's risky enough for her to be wearing a lid, then it's risky enough that the kid should have one. Kids' skulls are made out of blancmange, so I'd say that they should've erred on the side of caution here. The chances of falling debris is probably as close to nil as makes no odds, but if she does have an 'off' she could easily spin with her back to the face.
If there is a risk of falling rock / gear, then her belayer is at at least as much risk as they are. Again, if it merits her wearing a lid then he should have one too. It [i]looks[/i] like he's using some sort of traditional belay device rather than something auto-locking like a Gri-Gri, in which case if he gets brained then the system becomes free-running. That's probably the greatest risk of the lot, TBH.
Is the kid's harness rated for anything other than strolling through the park? Again, it's not clear from the pictures, and a top-rope fall is unlikely to be extreme unless there's a mechanical failure, but nontheless there's a slight chance that it could be shock-loaded in a way that it wasn't designed to cope with and thus could fail. Pretty unlikely though.
Summary; perhaps a little irresponsible, but probably not as much as first appears.
Molgrips
But many people do the world over without any issues.Does not equal
no kid ever gets badly hurt in a third world country by being strapped to a parent who has an accident?
So what was your post about? You were implying riding with your kids on your body was inherently safe, because many people (apparently) do it without having an accident. Is that what you meant?
Simply what I said molgrips. It was a response to the the poster above me. Highlighting that the absolutism of his position had no bearing in any reasonable assessment of risk
Peterfile - will you put your children in a car?
I don't know if I could live with myself if anything happened to my child after an accident whilst I was participating in a [s]sport [/s]activity with inherent risks
will you put your children in a car?
Yes, Sergeant Howie
Just some hippy new age mum by the looks of it, thinking it's cool for her kid to be a free agent or whatever.
Irresponsible.
The scary thing to me is the weight of her kid on her back makes it quite likely that if she did slip and hang on the rope she would invert in her harness. Then either the kid falls out or she can't get the right way up again.
TBH I'm not for or against it in principle, I'm a bit confused as to why you'd do it though - kid won't care or be interested, it's not got a benefit that I can see. Ho hum.
Doesn't look like a tough route, in fact looks like the sort of route we used to take newbies up as you can bearly do any harm especially when top-roped. Ah well.
It's great that she's taking her kid around so much. A good mum.
Maybe she needs the risks explained in detail. The thought of inversion doesn't bear thinking about.
She could have gone for the " SURPRISE " option 🙂
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I think the climbing may be an unnecessary part of the "I want my kid to be part of everything" lifestyle she wants to enjoy.
This really. I applaud her not wanting to wrap the kid in cotton wool and involve her in what mum and dad (or whatever) are doing, but I reckon this is taking it a bit too far- especially as Mum seems to think it's dangerous enough that [i]she[/i] needs to wear a helmet. I can't really see what anybody's getting out of it, other than maybe the Mum making some sort of point and using the kid as a prop.
Does anyone remember the man who 'forced' his son (5 years old?) to walk along Crib Goch whilst being roped together?
Does anyone remember the man who 'forced' his son (5 years old?) to walk along Crib Goch whilst being roped together?
No - got a link? Interesting thought - I'd be tempted to "force" mine, but I don't think he'd enjoy it much. In what sense exactly are we talking "force"?
aracer - had a quick G but couldn't find it, will keep trying!
This entire thread is us assessing the risks.
How many of the complainers have used pushchairs to ferry their kids around? And been responsible for pushing the poor little sods into the traffic when trying to cross the road??? 😆
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Yeah, but it's OK because he had a helmet on.
makes it quite likely that if she did slip and hang on the rope she would invert in her harness.
I very much doubt that, TBH.
I've got a similar sling, and I would say that when they turn upside down, the baby doesn't fall out.
I wouldn't climb with it on, but then I suck at climbing. I imagine once you are good, there are some climbs which are 100% that you can go up no problems.
I imagine the kid enjoys it - our 20 month old loves being high up, and things like going down hills at 20mph in the bike trailer and jumping both wheels off the ground over speed bumps.
I've got a photo of mine at 13 months that some of you might disapprove of, but which was perfectly safe. Hang on.
I think she has ruined her career now!
What parent would trust her with their child after this 🙄
She seems to be one of those mums who wants her child to go everywhere with her because it makes her stand out, makes people look at her and gets attention for it.
If she went on her own, no child, she wouldn't get any attention.
It's like those women who carry around small dogs in their handbags.
Rose at 13 months.
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Minimal risk (I was jolly careful, and it was a lot less technical than most places I've unicycled!), she enjoyed it, it's a funny picture, everyone wins. I have to admit I went about 5 metres and only did it the once. I don't think I'd do it anywhere else or try anything more hard until she is old enough to understand how to do a dismount from shoulders in an emergency!
It looks unsafe to a lot of people, but I am a lot better at unicycling than a lot of people. I've done 1000 commuting miles on roads without any unintended dismounts, let alone falls. I'm also pretty good at graceful unplanned dismounts from the mountain unicycling. Riding a 24" freestyle unicycle on a flat surface for 5 metres is way less risky than crossing a road.
I still wouldn't choose to climb with a baby in a sling, but I do think as basically a non climber, I'm totally unqualified to risk assess what good climbers do with their babies.
She seems to be one of those mums who wants her child to go everywhere with her because it makes her stand out, makes people look at her and gets attention for it.
To be fair, she might just like doing outdoors stuff, and think it is nice to enjoy it with her baby. Many of us on here are like that, it's just that we don't feel it is sensible for us to do crazy climbing things.
Or maybe even a set up picture to make a point?
You have to look at who is benefitting from it though.
Kids that age would have more fun running round the playground, rather than sitting on their mums back, looking at rocks. it is boring.
when you have children, you have to adapt, and sometimes separate your own activities, from family time activities.
I am a lot better at unicycling than a lot of people
I got told I would never reach a level of skill where I'd be allowed to ride a uni with one of our kids on my shoulders 🙁
I LOVE THREE CLIFFS!!!
All I can see is a woman crawling along the floor with a child on her back, what's the problem? It's the bloke in the background doing a horse-piss I'd be worried about.
30 years ago no-one would have batted an eyelid at this.
If I were a parent (oh wait, I am...) anyone telling me how I should bring up my kids can flip off.
Interfering do-gooders, imposing your precious little principles on others like they're some kind of divine untouchable commandments.
How superior you must all feel, what with being perfect in every way and everything.
Butt out, go and finish insulating your own delicate little darling kiddies against the world with cotton wool and bubble wrap.
^^ totally missing the point
^^ Believes there's a point to all this 😉
Oh fercrissakes, you want to go and see how kids in developing countries live on a day to day basis. Yeah, the helmet thing is a bit discordant - if that's a word - but I used to climb a lot and on low, well-used UK crags I never once had anything land on my head. The closest I came was pottering about at the base of Dow when someone dropped a krab that landed a few feet away from me and would have hurt.
Wonder how much the sanctimonious prigs at the Mail paid her for the image it apparently pinched from her blog...
No one has 'interfered', no one has 'imposed' anything, no one suggests that kids should be insulated. No one is claiming to be perfect, but if you think that maybe it reflects a little on you.
Some of use have an opinion based on our knowledge of shit that can happen on easy climbs, what kids do in backpacks etc.
You have an opinion too. It's different. Keep your soggy knickers on.
EDIT: BWD - I've had gaggia classic sized rocks miss me by a few feet. just sayin' like.
30 years ago no-one would have batted an eyelid at this.If I were a parent (oh wait, I am...) anyone telling me how I should bring up my kids can flip off.
Interfering do-gooders, imposing your precious little principles on others like they're some kind of divine untouchable commandments.
How superior you must all feel, what with being perfect in every way and everything.
Butt out, go and finish insulating your own delicate little darling kiddies against the world with cotton wool and bubble wrap.
I guess you left the wee winkie smilie thing off the end.
Basic parenting skills would question why you were prepared to expose your child to a danger that you weren't prepare to accept for yourself- why does the mother wear the helmet.
Irrespective of the real or perceived risks, I'd be thinking[i] 'whoah, why am I the one putting on the helmet here?'[/i]
30 years ago I think more people would have been concerned by the photo than they are today- even getting on for 40 years ago pretty substantial attention was paid to safety issues in outdoor education.
Nobody's getting sanctimonious here, but joao3v16 there's shitloads of people telling you all the time what you can and can't do with your child, and many of them you'll have to listen to, like it or not.
Just a point about the whole "mother in helmet, so should the toddler" thing:
It occurs to me that we're looking at one photo from the day and criticising based on that.
It is quite possible that the mother [u]doesn't[/u] feel she needs a helmet on that climb. She might just still have it on from an earlier climb. Or perhaps just wanted to keep her hair out of her eyes.
We can't see the climb, it might just be a little wall - certainly someone is able to get a close up photo of her from directly above.
Tell you what though: I reckon the Daily ****ing Mail and the like have caused significant more damage to kids' safety and health over the past few years with things like their deeply misguided and dangerous anti-MMR campaigns than any number of parents pottering about without putting full PPE on their kids.
It is quite possible that the mother doesn't feel she needs a helmet on that climb. She might just still have it on from an earlier climb.
This is what I thought too. Maybe the kid asked to go climbing with mummy after seeing her up on the rock, my lad would have done that. So you pick him/her up and choose an easy scramble you've done fifty times, top-roped, no loose rocks etc, someone snaps a picture, you think nothing of it. Her biggest mistake was uploading the damn thing to the internet... 🙄
EDIT: BWD - I've had gaggia classic sized rocks miss me by a few feet. just sayin' like.
Gaggia Classic, the new unit of rock measurement... One day all rock-fall will be measured in high-end domestic appliances. 'Yeah, did you see that boulder - proper Smeg fridge size?' 'You reckon? I thought it was more of a Siemens washer-drier. Or maybe a Bosch dishwasher.'
And talking of domestic appliance... coffee 🙂
I think the mother needs knee protection in this pic
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^ Ha!
First thing i thought on looking at that picture was "i'm not sure whether i'd rather have the mother catching or throwing". I'm such a sexist 😳
3 pages and no one has noted that the newspaper article states that the mother siad she had her helmet on because it was an automatic action for her, but with all the coverage etc says she regrets having a helmet on in the photo.
I don't think I would do it, depsite being a climber with an acceptance and well informed knowledge of the minimal risks in top roping situations. But that doesn't mean she souldn't have done it.
Who are we to judge? There's been threads on here asking about cycling with backpacks before the baby is big enough to go in a child seat. I can't see a helmet being effective with a baby being strapped into a backpack due to space andangle of neck issues.
3 pages and no one has noted that the newspaper article states that the mother siad she had her helmet on because it was an automatic action for her, but with all the coverage etc says she regrets having a helmet on in the photo.
I think that may be a later edit. Don't remember reading that in the original article. Think the headline has changed a little too actually.
3 pages and no one has noted that the newspaper article states that the mother siad she had her helmet on because it was an automatic action for her
Not sure that helps her cause. Why is it in an automatic action for her?
I think that may be a later edit.
Yeah, they've definitely changed the article and headline since yesterday. Typical DM, fanning the flames.
as a father with a 2 year in my honest opinion that is a little bit stupid.
im not a climber but why would you take a risk.
I know of an experienced climber/outdoor activity type. He intended to become a trainer of other enthusiasts.
He was rock climbing. When the rock above him became loose, it fell. Luckily he heard it and seeing it falling on him, ducked his helmeted head in towards the rock, so only got hit on the head with light small fragments.
However he could not do the same with his foot and the rock struck the back of his heel, ripping off his climbing shoe and all the back of his actual heel and half of the sole of his foot.
He had to have assistance getting off the cliff, given he was bleeding and injured. At the hospital he had to have a skin graft on his foot. They said if it did not take he would have a lot of problems walking. It did take but he ended up giving up a lot of outdoor sports.
Still, it was his own fault - if he had thought to put a kid on his back I he would not have the foot injury as the rock would have landed on the child instead. At least it would have died quick with no helmet, unless it was unlucky and had to live with a brain injury.
I am not a fan of coddling kids, but either the parents are fools or have a huge need to get attention for themselves at the cost of their child.
I am not a fan of coddling kids, but either the parents are fools or have a huge need to get attention for themselves at the cost of their child.
I wasn't aware the child had died.
In fact I'm pretty sure it was completely unharmed, had a great time with mum and benefited from being taught from an early age how much fun being active in the outdoors can be.
As for the "huge need to get attention", do you honestly think she wrote to the Daily Mail and said, [i]"Can you please nick some pictures from my personal blog and then use them to stir up frothing indignation against me, questioning my suitability as a mother and potentially ruining my future career?"[/i]
EDIT: BWD - I've had gaggia classic sized rocks miss me by a few feet. just sayin' like.
That has to be middle class comment of the year..
had a great time with mum and benefited from being taught from an early age how much fun being active in the outdoors can be
You can't quantify that anymore than we can assess the risk from one possibly posed photo. My kids spend all day mucking about in the countryside in a way that would make the DM wet its collective knickers, but I won't know for 20 years if it's instilled a love of the outdoors or a loathing and a preference for Sky+ and big tellys.
My 2p worth - seems of dubious benefit to the child and an unnecessary additional risk. If she were old enough to climb herself, and express a desire to do so, fair enough.
If she were old enough to climb herself, and express a desire to do so, fair enough.
As someone said, quite possible that she already expressed a desire to do so. Mine certainly would in that situation.
Perhaps mum thought that, like you, being encouraging would send help the right message?
I know of an experienced climber/outdoor activity type.
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I am not a fan of coddling kids, but either the parents are fools or have a huge need to get attention for themselves at the cost of their child.
You're assuming there's anything there to fall on them. The entire route might well be about 20 feet in total. Looking at the coil of rope next to the belayer, I'd be surprised if it's directly comparable to the situation your 'person you know of' was in. In MTB terms, it's like judging a mother cycling along a towpath relative to an accident involving a DH racer you know of.
Unless they're also roped in, I'd say that the biggest risk they've got there is probably falling photographers.
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That harness is rubbish. I don't really care about the helmet issue, but if she slips and inverts the kid will fall out and fall on its head, and it's not hard to see the kid wriggling out on its own accord.
That'd be the [url= http://store.ergobaby.com/Baby_Carriers/Original ]ERGObaby Original[/url] that [url= http://aimevenhigher.blogspot.com/2012/01/adventures-in-babywearing.html ]she talks about on her blog[/url]?
"...if I had known about this dream of a carrier all along, I would have used it from the outset!There isn't anything I don't like about this carrier. We have used it from quick runs into the shops, she has napped in it on my back while I do housework, we've had long mountain days together... I've even climbed with her on my back in it. This is about as comfortable as babywearing gets. And it offers the option of having baby on the front or back, something we have taken full advantage of. And while Ffion sits lower on my back in this carrier, she has always been very happy and content in it."
She seems fairly happy with it.
probably bored to tears because she can't see anything.
that would be why other carriers hold the baby high up.
but then i wouldn't have thought that has crossed their minds
A two year old is quite capable of telling you if she is "bored to tears because she can't see anything".
That'd be the ERGObaby Original that she talks about on her blog?"...if I had known about this dream of a carrier all along, I would have used it from the outset!
There isn't anything I don't like about this carrier. We have used it from quick runs into the shops, she has napped in it on my back while I do housework, we've had long mountain days together... I've even climbed with her on my back in it. This is about as comfortable as babywearing gets. And it offers the option of having baby on the front or back, something we have taken full advantage of. And while Ffion sits lower on my back in this carrier, she has always been very happy and content in it."She seems fairly happy with it.
Yeah, brilliant for taking a kid for a walk. Even taking a kid for a walk up a mountain. But rubbish for taking a fall and inverting 20m up a cliff face.
She isn't 20m up, unless her belay guy is hovering, and she hasn't got 20m to go either, unless the photographer is freeclimbing above her.
I'm sure some people read the first post on a thread and then skip to the end to make their voice heard. We'd have a lot fewer circular conversations if they didn't.
IMHO etc.
a very short fall in harness not designed for the job is risky business for a two year old.
i do see that it's up to them so leave em alone etc etc.
but it's crazy if you ask me.
How many people with kids can honestly say they've never taken risks with their kids.
For example driving while tired is pretty darned dangerous (on a level with drink driving according to some studies), and surely very few parents of small babies have never done that?
And much of baby transporting in the early days is optional social stuff so adults can socialise / show off their baby, things like baby groups, visiting relatives and friends etc
So how is that (exposing a baby to an increased risk of death for purely recreational purposes) different to this (exposing a baby to increased risk of death for purely recreational purposes).
Or does no one drive with their babies except to the hospital or other such vital trips?
"driving while tired is pretty darned dangerous"
Do you think anyone goes.... "I'm really tired, so think I'll take the kids for a drive, they'd enjoy that".......
Do you think anyone goes.... "I'm really tired, so think I'll take the kids for a drive, they'd enjoy that".......
You've not got kids, right? People drive babies round in their cars to try to get them to go to sleep, it's incredibly common, like a modern version of rocking the pram. And babies who don't sleep make their parents tired. So whilst they're not doing it for the kids enjoyment exactly, yes, loads of parents drive their kids round whilst probably being a bit more tired than is entirely sensible.
I tried it once but my boy is a contrary little sod and just yelled solidly for 40-odd miles round the edge of the Peak District...
It's hard to judge without seeing the overall climbing situation but I'm not against the idea in principle.
That harness is rubbish ... if she slips and inverts the kid will fall out and fall on its head
I agree + lack of helmet. Poor safety awareness on her part is the real issue here IMO. She seems too inexperienced to be doing this sort of thing.
As someone said, quite possible that she already expressed a desire to do so. Mine certainly would in that situation.
At that point I would say that they would have to wait till they were a little bigger. Being a parent involves not always indulging a child's every desire too. If I could see a benefit for the child that they couldn't get from a nice walk I'd be more likely to agree, but I don't.
<In no way being personal GrahamS - just illustrating this is just where I'd draw my line, where perhaps others wouldn't. >
No problem. I do agree it is a judgement call.
But neither of us were there to make it.
We just don't know the surrounding facts or situation, so it's easy to be drawn into the righteous indignation of the Mail article.
In reality it could be a very easy 5 metre climb that is practically a ladder, which she has climbed hundreds of times before and is less dangerous than the slide in the playground. Some aspects of the photo support that (big ledge to stand on, looks very short, not exactly gripping on for dear life).
Likewise it could be that it really is a sketchy 50m cliff with dangerous loose bits. In which case I'd be the first to agree that she's a bit mental.
If I could see a benefit for the child that they couldn't get from a nice walk I'd be more likely to agree, but I don't.
To me the benefit of something like that over a nice walk is that it is exciting and hopefully teaches her child to be adventurous.
Edit: I see the article has now been edited again to increase shock value. They say she is 30ft up the cliff when the photo was taken. By my estimates her belay guy must be at least 20ft tall.
Do you think anyone goes.... "I'm really tired, so think I'll take the kids for a drive, they'd enjoy that".......
I reckon probably at least 90% of drives with small babies are purely recreational, things like taking them to see grandparents and friends, going to parent and toddler group, off to the park or whatever. And just like taking your kid climbing it is hard to know how much the kid gets out of it.
And unless your baby is the one in a hundred that sleeps well from an early age, it's pretty likely you're dangerously tired.
But pretty much everyone chooses to take that risk, which is a pretty well known and obvious risk.
She isn't 20m up, unless her belay guy is hovering, and she hasn't got 20m to go either, unless the photographer is freeclimbing above her.
They say she is 30ft up the cliff when the photo was taken. By my estimates her belay guy must be at least 20ft tall.
Alternatively the photographer could be using a zoom lens, with the foreshortening effect that gives.
Reading the new version of the article, I reckon she should have stayed quiet - her comments about regretting wearing her helmet (amongst others) aren't exactly encouraging me to want to leave my children in her care. There's a reason why wearing a helmet becomes a 'habit' when climbing - it's because it's always a good idea to wear one. I'm very unconvinced by her risk assessment capability.
There's a reason why wearing a helmet becomes a 'habit' when climbing - it's because it's always a good idea to wear one.
To be fair, wearing a helmet is only a "habit" for mountaineers and begnners, most decent climbers don't bother with one.
"most decent climbers don't bother with one."
Never understood why because falling rocks are indiscriminate!
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Alison Hargreaves, one of he UK's best women climber.
Lambasted in the tabloids, at the time, for soloing the North face of the Eiger while 6 month pregnant.
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/28/gender.familyandrelationships ]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/28/gender.familyandrelationships[/url]
I'm surprised it took 4 pages before Alison Hargreaves was mentioned. She really polarised people at the time of her death, in a way male climbers and extreme skiers who have died didn't.
I wonder if there would be so many negative comments here if it was the dad rather than the mum with her on his back?
i'm risk averse, and this photo looks either silly or show-off... I'd love to learn to freefall parachute but decided not to once kids came along. But last year I broke one ski helmet and one cycle helmet, so what am I doing?
Like Boris, I'd be more concerned about the harness than the lid. And I know and have mothers who have been accidentally responsible for the death or disabling of their kids.
No easy answer really, is there?
I wonder if there would be so many negative comments here if it was the dad rather than the mum with her on his back?
If you can find a post which criticises her on that basis, you might have a point - it would certainly make no difference to my perspective, just as I see no difference between Alison Hargreaves and some father of young kids who's got killed doing something dangerous. Actually, if anything I might be even more unimpressed at a bloke doing it.
As a parent of a toddler - no helmet for the kiddy is an epic fail.
When nipper is on the bike the test is would i wear one for that ride. If yes we both wear, if not he gets to choose!
I don't know enough about climbing to assess whether the situation she's in is unacceptably risky.
I'm surprised it took 4 pages before Alison Hargreaves was mentioned. She really polarised people at the time of her death, in a way male climbers and extreme skiers who have died didn't.
She got at but as much s*it, if not more, as this woman got
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for leaving her grown up childern and husband to to and film on K2.
(for you under 30, that Julie Tullis, first British Woman to top K2)
[b]aracer[/b] we just don't know, do we? Not without a thread which does something similar with a bloke climbing with a kid on his back, and seeing the response. Often people display their unconscious prejudices... errr... unconsciously...
That's why I am "wondering".... 🙄
And I agree - no difference between her and the dad doing that, but people often do set higher expectations for mothers.
She got at but as much s*it, if not more, as this woman got
She sort of deserved it though: 8 months pregnant on a climb that was pretty hard for her, with all sorts of added potential dangers (crap rock, weather etc)
Top roping on an easy climb in the sunshine doesn't really deserve the same response.
Alternatively the photographer could be using a zoom lens, with the foreshortening effect that gives.
Possible, but I don't think so.
I think the belay guy would be more out of focus on a telephoto shot. And the perspective of the rope tapering in from bottom left to the climber suggests (to my eyes) that she is quite close to the camera. Likewise the fact the toddler is looking directly at the camera/photographer and the climber appears to be looking at someone else.
I think the belay guy would be more out of focus on a telephoto shot.
Actually if anything the opposite, as the relative difference in focal distance is smaller.
Likewise the fact the toddler is looking directly at the camera/photographer and the climber appears to be looking at someone else.
Her next hold maybe? 🙄
How about snowboarding at one year old? I know what my boy is getting for his first birthday....
Hmm - she appears to have her own board rather than sitting in the backpack of somebody else boarding.