[Closed] Libya! one year on and it's now an extremist strong hold and disaster!

I'm always a bit surprised why you think you have some insight into these situations that is denied to the rest of us.

It's the conspiracy theorist need to feel that they know more than other people and are a step ahead in terms of intelligence/etc - a sort of superiority complex.

Funny thing is that sometimes they're right but that's not actually what they really care about.

Kael-- what is your take on the Taliban-- genuine question .

Some times I wonder whether allowing universal access to the internet without a qualifying IQ and sanity check is a good idea.

Thing is, if there is a consipracy to hoodwink the masses by the few they'd be an awful lot better at it and it would take more than a few hundred impressionable people with internet connections to work out what was really going on.

You do seem to get very worked up about this. I wouldn't worry about it too much, to be honest. Pretty soon the whole Syria and Libya situation is going to look like a fairly minor little tiff

Because, once Mitt Romney is elected and gives Israel the green light to nuke Tehran, and Turkey thinks 'sod it' we might as well kick it off properly with Syria too, then the whole region is going to erupt like lobbing a lit match into a fireworks storage room. They're all just having cold-war style wars-by-proxy with each other anyway. Just let them kick it off properly and get it over with.

The best thing we can do is make a bit of money selling them arms (lets face it, if we don't the Russians certainly will) wait for the dust to die down after they've all annihilated each other, then renegotiate the oil exploration rights with whichever bunch of extremist nut-jobs are left nominally in control

The other thing i have a problem is all these revolutions that occurred in oppressive regimes, starting with Tunisia, and affecting the whole of north africa through to the middle east, are you going to claim they are not popular uprisings ?

Sure, when there is upheaval, you can never be sure whats going to happen, what regime/system will emerge, but revolutionary change has occurred, and if you think the imperialist west like revolutionary change you are in need of some basic understanding of history. I did ask if you had read any Marx , again the communist manifesto is a superb little book written in 1848, check it out, you might be surprised....

Kaesea, I don't pay a lot atten to the news, but even I know that things aren't great in any of the Arab spring countries ATM, there are lots of questions about tribalism, religion, and weaponry, and I get all that from regular news channels, BBC, newspapers and whatever.

Lots of people pretty well nformed without all the "cover up" stuff

Doing anything about it yet?

I keep asking because I do have the faint hope you'll grow some balls and actually try and do something worthwhile.

Been in touch with http://www.edinburghstw.org.uk/ yet?

Set up your ebay business to make donations yet?

When you do, I genuinely will be respectful and proud of what you are doing. Until then, you are just a fraud trying to feel superior.

Because, once Mitt Romney is elected and gives Israel the green light

This

I thought edinburghstw was TJ ploughing a lone furrow...

When oppressive regimes fall the consequences are often dire

See Europe for example and what happened after Tito died - Yugoslavia and ethnic cleansing etc

Blaming us for it is silly so I can see why you do it.
Read some history

Anyone want to start a sweepstake on which country he "researches" next?

Been in touch with http://www.edinburghstw.org.uk/ yet?

For a brief beautiful moment I though TJ had set up his own STW in protest 😀

My money's on Scotland and its valiant struggle against an oppressive regime 🙂

Meanwhile, kaesae's contribution to alleviating the suffering of the Libyan* people remains at sweet **** all.

*swap for Syria if you like.

Of course he's not actually doing anything.

that's not actually what they really care about.

It's about him, not them.

My money's on Scotland and its valiant struggle against an oppressive regime

Oooh, good shout. I was going for Greek slavery to German banks. Although that may already have been done.

Hmm,

If you know that this is the truth now I am truly relieved, not long ago Libya was a country that simply wanted it's freedom to most people on here!

That you have woken up to the facts that Benghazi and Misrata are global islamic extremist strong holds, that those cities are where most of the suicide bombers and fighters that were active in Afghanistan and Iraq were recruited from, is a good thing.

Not surprising that it was easy to instigate demonstrations/uprisings from Benghazi and Misrata, Gaddafi had been imprisoning extremists from those two cities for years. Libya had thousands of terrorists locked up in prisons as a sign of good faith and cooperation with the west. They have of course now all been released and are free to attack embassies and any thing / one else they like!

Gaddafi also got rid of his WMD's and nuclear programme, truth be told the conflict in Libya was easy for NATO, Gaddafi spent his money on developing his country not on weapons.

The money the west claimed was seized from his families personal accounts, was actually put aside to redevelop Africa. Between $150,000,000 and $200,000,000.

What has been done to the government and people of Libya is truly disgusting, glad to hear that the world now know this was simply regime change and WAR in it's newest format.

Has the public also woken up to the fact that the exact same thing is happening in Syria, I do hope so!

The idea of gainful employment still as much of a mystery as ever I see.

Won't be Vatican City.

Taliban-- any views-- Kael-- since by your criteria they are defenders of their faith- at every others expense-- especially females

Oooh got one, can we have a 'Mexican drugs war' thread please

[i]The money the west claimed was seized from his families personal accounts, was actually put aside to redevelop Africa.[/i]

*hollow laughter*

That you have woken up

See, this is much better trolling. 8/10

So.... let me get this right... you're suggesting that without pesky western interference, the middle east and north africa would be a land of milk and honey, with everyone living together in peace and harmony?

Bless your hopelessly naive little head. Here's a picture of some kittens and flowers. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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Aren't they cute 😀

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Clubbers has neatly summed it up there

What about the treatment of 'native' americans ?

[i]What about the treatment of 'native' americans?[/i]

Bison rights don't get the attention they deserve, it has to be said.

its a beautiful day outside here, so for that reason i'm ooot

its a beautiful day outside here, so for that reason i'm ooot

Agreed, my legs are kaput from running 38 miles yesterday. Got the day off work and it's sunny. Time for an easy pedal out, followed by some coffee and cake.

That you have woken up to the facts that Benghazi and Misrata are global islamic extremist strong holds, that those cities are where most of the suicide bombers and fighters that were active in Afghanistan and Iraq were recruited from, is a good thing.

Wait, I thought that when most of those suicide bombers were active in Afghanistan and Iraq that Gadaffi was in power. Surely if Gadaffi was the benevolent uncle of Libya who everyone loved and the terrorists feared because he was so super awesome (I'm imagining him as a combination of Jens Voigt, Chuck Norris, Bono, Chris Martin from Coldplay, Omar Sharif, John Candy and Einstein) and therefore there were no terrorists, and no support of terrorists until the lizard people of the NWO got their hands on his warm insides.

I'm sensing the sucking power of a logical black hole in your argument. Which is nothing new.

And with that, no more interaction with the fraudster until he comes up with some action rather than words on a cycling forum

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/12/libyan-weapons-show-up-in-sinai-egypt-junta-warns/

Good to see so many people who are completely oblivious to what is happening globally.

Gaddafi planned to create a new currency, the African Gold Dinar. This would of course have needed a banking system as well. Hence the $150,000,000 to $200,000,000 that had been set aside.

All of the African countries involved with the project would only have traded in this currency, for all of their oil and other wealth.

Humanitarian aid in the form of mass murder of Libyan civilians by NATO and arming terrorist groups or regime change to once again oppress the people of Africa.

I do not doubt a lot of people will believe that they know what happened in Libya, that it was a revolution rather than a coup!

However more and more people know the truth and the imperialists cannot use tyranny, oppression and murder to escape the recession. All we are doing is isolating ourselves further, from developing countries and regions.

Hopefully one day we will learn that we need to create stronger ties and alliances with people, not bomb them into submission!

[i]Good to see so many people who are completely oblivious to what is happening globally.[/i]

well it suits you to believe that, anyway. Puts you a notch above the great unwashed.

[i]more and more people know the truth[/i]

I'm sure there'll be some other vehicle for your ego along once everyones twigged to this particular issue.

[i]Hopefully one day we will learn that we need to create stronger ties and alliances with people, not bomb them into submission![/i]

As opposed to sitting in the dark.
In your pants.

There is some truth win what the OP says. Iraq is far less stable now than it was under Hussain. Egypt which has long had reasonable stability between it's Christian and Muslim populations is now a potential tinder box.

FWIW my French colleagues say since the war there has been a significant increase in gun crime in France with a lot of military weapons having been smuggled from Libya into France since the conflict.

You might not like a given regime but the replacement chaos is generally worse.

Do you think that Gadaffy Duck, as well as his altruistic stockpiling of currency, for the good of everyone, also had purely benevolent intentions when supplying the IRA with arms and blowing up airliners over Scotland? Were these benign, kindly gestures just tragically misunderstood?

Anyway, here's a bunny rabbit with some flowers

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Awwwwwwwwwwwww bless

[i]You might not like a given regime but the replacement chaos is generally worse. [/i]

So benign dictatorship is the ideal government?

kaesae - Member

The money the west claimed was seized from his families personal accounts, was actually put aside to redevelop Africa. Between $150,000,000 and $200,000,000.

Nevermind all that nonsense, did you see how messy Harry Styles hair gets in the wind?!?

http://www.heatworld.com/Celeb-News/2012/10/Just-LOOK-at-what-Harry-Styles-hair-looks-like-when-the-wind-gets-up-in-it/

How exactly is waffling away on a relatively obscure UK bike forum going to change anything? Do tell.

What happened in Libya (and will likely happen in Syria) was predictable but doesn't need a NWO/media conspiracy to account for it. As mentioned above it's happened plenty of times- dictator falls, lack of organised replacement leaves a vacuum that gets filled by the people with the most guns who may well be worse than the guy they replaced, or with very different agendas than the one that drove the original uprising. Africa/Middle East is awash with guns and extremist organisations on the lookout for the next place they can gain a foothold, and a particular group of guys with guns can probably shift between being a sort of tooled-up neighborhood watch, a militia, interim army unit, or extremist cell all in the same week, or depending on who's asking. At the same time Russia, China, the US and the UK all have their own interests to protect and are no doubt well aware the people they back today might be the same ones they'll be bombing next year.

Everybody knows this, so I don't know why the OP thinks he's sharper than the sheeple for realising that it's all a bit of a mess.

CaptainFlashheart - Member

How exactly is waffling away on a relatively obscure UK bike forum going to change anything? Do tell.

You're right, i'm sorry. I'm going to head down to Boots, get some of this and send it to him.

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African Monetary Fund? don't suppose any of you have heard of it? or understand how much Libya set aside for it's creation?

http://www.google.co.uk/#q=African+monetary+fund&hl=en&prmd=imvns&ei=pGyOUOLKBMjX0QWjoIHAAg&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=8452a943ad72eb32&bpcl=35466521&biw=1920&bih=918

and of course Libya's contribution to it

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Libyan+contribution+to+African+monetary+fund&oq=Libyan+contribution+to+African+monetary+fund&gs_l=serp.3..33i21.39473.50416.0.50629.46.45.0.1.1.7.711.10215.16j8j8j3j3j5j1.44.0...0.0...1c.1.qSVN9EuaAxQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=8452a943ad72eb32&bpcl=35466521&biw=1920&bih=918

So essentially, this amounts to Daffy duck once saying that at some indeterminate point in the future, all the money presently 'resting' in his numerous offshore bank accounts, would definitely be used to establish some kind of monetary fund, possibly a currency. For the good of all. Honest. No... really, it will. Promise.

God help you if you're ever approached by any Nigerians asking for your bank account details for equally benign purposes. 😉

yes but is not reported in western media reports therefore it must be true- I just hope he has a Youtube link to remove your doubts Binners

"Conspiracy theories are the opiate of the slightly touched"

and here is their daily fix;

[url= http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ ]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/[/url]

😯

You are George Galloway and I claim my 5 groats (or whatever it is that Libya's imaginary curreny is)

And are you aware of any other dictators who are, in reality, simply misunderstood, and unfairly maligned by the western media?

Is Bashar al Assad planning on opening a refuge for poorly kittens?

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kaesae,

Is this a new STW research club topic? I presume your previous 'STW research club' threads;

STW research club, I propose 9/11 as the first subject for investigation

STW research club, I propose for the second subject building 7 9/11 event

have been answered to your satisfaction? I hate to think you have moved on without gaining the full truth..........

Gaddafi planned to create a new currency, the African Gold Dinar. All of the African countries involved with the project would only have traded in this currency, for all of their oil and other wealth.

Iraq is far less stable now than it was under Hussain. Egypt which has long had reasonable stability...

When oppressive regimes fall the consequences are often dire

See Europe for example and what happened after Tito died - Yugoslavia and ethnic cleansing etc

You are George Galloway and I claim my 5 groats (or whatever it is that Libya's imaginary curreny is)

Mind if I just leave these here?
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He should be commended for his interior design skills though. Palm trees AND camels. Most people would consider that a bit OTT, but not him. A true man of vision...

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That photo makes me sad, because only one of the very deserving people in it has
had a bayonet shoved up their anus since it was taken.

[i]That photo makes me sad, because only one of the very deserving people in it has had a bayonet shoved up their anus since it was taken. [/i]

that comment makes me sad.

It cant be that bad in Libya,

Nato,s managing to pump out 2 million barrels of oil a day.

Basf announced yesterday that they hope this figure will rise to around 2.7 m Barrels a day

So 2million barrels a day x $109 a barrel, took Nato just over 24hours to raise the money in Gaddafi,s account.

The Iraq port of Basra exports 8 million barrels of oil a day. ( under sadam it was never more than 2 million )

Iran exports 4 million barrels of oil a day.

Egypt export 7 million barrels a day from sources such as Libya, Algeria Sudan,saudi.

If Iran and Syria were to become unstable i wonder who gets the oil ?

To the people in power, the Libyan population are considered collateral damage.

Yes you can have democracy but in the 15 years it will take, they will have pumped out all the oil by then.

Dont get started on the oil pipe line that Americas just built in Afghanistan you'll not sleep for weeks.

Egypt export 7 million barrels a day from sources such as Libya, Algeria Sudan,saudi

Dont get started on the oil pipe line that Americas just built in Afghanistan you'll not sleep for weeks

Go on do tell, I'm feeling really sleepy right now.

Nato,s managing to pump out 2 million barrels of oil a day.

Maybe we could have a research club to look at who is exporting oil from Libya and who gets the money. (Hint: it isn't NATO )

So 2million barrels a day x $109 a barrel, took Nato just over 24hours to raise the money in Gaddafi,s account.

So as a Merchant Banker you are suggesting that the production and export of oil entails no cost ?

Egypt export 7 million barrels a day from sources such as Libya, Algeria Sudan,saudi.

Sense make no.

If Iran and Syria were to become unstable i wonder who gets the oil ?

Ahh yes, that great oil producing country Syria 🙂

Gaddafi planned to create a new currency, the African Gold Dinar. This would of course have needed a banking system as well. Hence the $150,000,000 to $200,000,000 that had been set aside.

Because of course, 200 million dollars is enough for an entire continent whose total GDP is 1.6 TRILLION dollars. Lets make that easy. Basically, you're looking at something like 1/10000th of the required money.

Please do some research. And by research I really do mean actual research not looking at websites or youtube vids that share your opinion. Maybe a library or perhaps something totally stats based like wolfram alpha.

All i did was pluck a load of random headlines of the internet,

put them together in a random post,

Post them in the chat forum, and wait for people to reply with their knickers in a twist.

But seems like no one got it.

so im going out on my bike.

All i did was pluck a load of random headlines of the internet,

Perhaps you would care to share the original source of those quotes ?

[i]Perhaps you would care to share the original source of those quotes ?[/i]

given the length of most of them google should be able to find exact matches?

Wonder how long the propaganda of the west can cover up the catastrophe that Libya has become, after the death of the US Ambassador, I would guess that it will not be too much longer before the whole world knows the truth, rather than just most of the world!