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No question that money is ruining the game, it has done for years! I can't understand how the football journalists, Presenters and Analysts are not dismissing Chelski's and City's titles/trophies as pretty meaningless because they have been bought!
Any Club that uses money not earned as income should play in their own league where all the owners can throw their money around to their hearts content. I can't believe the supporters really enjoy the success either....they know they have cheated.
Football, the best form of regressive taxation known to man!!
Think agent moyes is doing an excellent job, thought it might take a couple of years but he's making excellent progress, can't see him need the full contract to complete the dismantling!!!
[b]Teamhurtmore[/b]: I need to remember that one
Did anyone watch the game last night? What drama, what ineptitude, what fun....for the Sunderland fans! You should have seens Moyes face when that last penalty was missed, I almost felt sorry for him!
So now its a quick £37m purchase, but will it help? 😕
cannot really make the situation any worse can it
Gotta feel for the manager though
they score with their only shot and then they take penalties in the perfect English style [ miss]
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A wise man mentioned this morning that Joany Moany is happy to let Utd have Mata - they've already played them twice this season and he'd love nothing more than to see Mata take points of Citeh when they meet the noisy neighbours.
Mata is a class player though and might plug the hole left when RVP and Rooney go in the summer.
We're going to score one more than you didn't work for Newcastle - it won't work for Utd either. Until they stop conceding, they're going nowhere fast.
Anyway, it seems Mata's helicopter can't land at OT to enable him to sign his new contract...until Phil Jones' penalty has come back down.
(shamelessly stolen from twitter)
Its a mixture of things including bad luck but i dont think Moyes is about to start playing expansive flowing football any time soon.
That said you have to start wondering, though the squad is not good enough, whether Moyes is up to it...its looking less like he is every week and that perhaps we needed a big character like Jose [ to be clear i thought moyes was the right man and Jose was not]
I cannot see this slump being allowed to have happened under Jose had he been appointed and am worried Moyes is out of his depth here and everton was his peak and Man U his Peter principle
Its actually becoming strangely compelling just how bad we can get. A proper slow-motion car crash
There are some positives to take out of it though:
My City mates were gutted! They were looking forward to giving us an absolute Shoeing at Wembley. Think I've dodged a Monday Mornign bullet there! 😀
And at least Woy now knows that Welbeck is developing into an automatic first choice striker for England. He couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. Especially from the spot. And neither can Jones. He's on the plane to Brazil too
I think utd surrendered last night to save the humiliation of a wembley thrashing by city, although sunderland almost scuppered the plan for them.
Mata is a good buy though, I suspect he has been frozen out in chelsea as a Mourinho power game rather than as any fault of his own. Will he be enough to get them in the champions league spots though?
Moyes hasn't played Kagawa in that central attacking midfeilder role, and they are similar types of players. Getting Rooney and RvP back and keeping them fit is going to make a bigger impact.
perhaps we needed a big character like Jose
I wondered for a long time (since long before he retired) if someone would just have to take all the crap for not being Ferguson for a season or two, before someone else could take over and actually be his own man.
That said you have to start wondering, though the squad is not good enough, whether Moyes is up to it.
It may even have been earlier on this thread or another one, but I did muse over how long the owners will have patience. Moyes' post-match interviews are showing him up a bit...anytime now he's going to say "**** it lads, I just can't do it!" I think he needs to do a Fergie and just not talk to the Beeb. 😀
[i].anytime now he's going to say "**** it lads, I just can't do it!"[/i]
It wouldn't be the first time that happened.....remember Keegan resigning from England saying he wasn't up to the job!
Rewind back to when Moyes was announced. How many people thought 'wtf, nice bloke, done ok with what he has at Everton but wtf'?
Same still applies.
Why couldn't they get a top-flight manager?
The owners and the clubs inherent debts?
I'm an outsider so don't mind me but I'd imagine they wanted someone with potential on the cheap than a seasoned/winning manager?
Can we just pause and reflect for A moment on another one of Kevs finest moments…
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anytime now he's going to say "**** it lads, I just can't do it!" I think he needs to do a Fergie and just not talk to the Beeb
The PR world loss is our gain
Remember him as Preston manager when I had a season ticket but what is he meant to say
We were shit there was nothing to defend so he cannot even spin it he just has to be honest. a lot of players have to leave now as they are just not up to it
interestingly Kagawa plays in the same role as Mata and never gets a chance so no idea what formation he will use
but I'd imagine they wanted someone with potential on the cheap than a seasoned/winning manager?
Someone like Martinez 😆
Again as a non-footballist, I bet if Man U finishes 6th or 7th hes out along with a squad clearout/shakeup.
I don't think he went after Mata JY. They'll have been offered him on a plate by Chelsea.
Anyone know the point of Phil Jones?
Moyes is looking lost, but then his team is rubbish, Fergie dealt him a sinker there. No one is frightened of Man U anymore.
He won't be out. United isn't that kind of club. He'll get another season. This was always a transitional one, that was always going to be difficult, to say the least
But half that squad needs to be gone. He's made a start with Anderson, who's always been hopeless. With any luck Nani's played his last game, despite just signing a 5 year deal (christ knows who's idea that was). Then With Mata in, a couple more signings in the summer, and VP and Rooney back its a different… erm… Mata 😀
I don't think he went after Mata JY. They'll have been offered him on a plate by Chelsea.
Interesting as he is a marque signing but in a position we have no shortage for nor need...you may have a point
Anyone know the point of Phil Jones?
Ifeel sorry for him he gets playe din lots of different positions so he looks out of his depth in them all. He needs to play regularly in a position IMHO replace Ferdinand in defence as he is no midfielder or RB
Look on the positive side binners, there will hopefully be some big reforms/relook at how they do things (the squads too old) and hopefully in a couple of years Man U may be a massive force in Europe like the likes of Barca etc?
Lets face it - its a English football team with global marketing might.
It aint a European/big winner with global marketing might.
Again- I actually know nothing about football- just a casual observer but thats the way it seems.
Getting rid of the Glazers, so we stop financing the losses of American shopping malls would be the best thing that could happen at OT
Aye it is all about the money and that comes from a sugar daddy owner not the fan base
We have a the fan base and some leeches as owners
I wondered for a long time (since long before he retired) if someone would just have to take all the crap for not being Ferguson for a season or two, before someone else could take over and actually be his own man.
Exactly this.
Like Manu's Pope Benedict.
My other half is a man u fan and we have pet names for the man u players this year, its kinda a running joke.
De Gea - De Hoy-er
Januzaj - Jingle bells
Fillaini - Flipflop
and now we have One sheeet for Jaun Mata.
just sharing.. as a Newcastle fan I cannot possibly say what we call some of the Toon players. 😉
He won't be out. United isn't that kind of club.
Utd have had 2 long serving managers, iirc in the 13 years between them they had 7 managers. So they have more of a track record being exactly that kind of club than not.
Of course he'll be out. Just because one bloke worked out to be great/was on the edge of sacking doesnt mean they all will.
Wheres his potential? Where was his passion- in a few games he was stock still not shouting/getting going. He looked beat.
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Oh the ironing....
[i]Getting rid of the Glazers, so we stop financing the losses of American shopping malls would be the best thing that could happen at OT[/i]
Binners Old Chap, you can't keep blaming the owners for the lack of money, they have more than coughed up when required. RVP is costing £2m a month (fee and wages) £27m for fellani, £37m for mata....most teams would love to have that sort of money to spend.
The reality is, the squad has not looked good for a couple of years and last seasons achievement was heroic considering.
Oh and yes...who the F decided to give nani a 5 yr contract....he really has been one of the flops for the past 5 yrs.
They won't get rid of him so soon, as someone will then go and have to tell Fergie, the still brooding presence that he made the wrong call. Who do you this going to do that then?
Rockape63 - agreed, up to a point. Its a lot of money to most clubs. But United isn't most clubs. Its one of the biggest clubs in the world. And should have a transfer policy that reflects that. Our squad looks threadbare compared to City, Chelsea, because the Glazers have ripped about £700 million out of the club (and we're still in mountains of debt!!!). Money that could have been spent on renewing the squads over the last few seasons, instead of relying on Fergie to get them through
Binners Old Chap, you can't keep blaming the owners for the lack of money, they have more than coughed up when required.
How much has the company lost to pay debts that other clubs dont have?
We are not skint by any stretch but we are certainly not competing with the top tier of [ sugar daddy] owners
Expensive midfielders called Juan. What could possibly go wrong?
binners disagree about City. City were in a squad building phase- spurt to get upto speed so it looks/looked skewered.
What about Berbatov? Others- spend on bad players. Man U aren't exactly poor when it came to spending.
What I 'love' about Man U fans around me is the way 'the winker' was slagged off for wanting to progress to his next team after years of toil/giving his all for Man U. He always said he wanted to play for Real one day. It wasn't a shock. Yet the fans I heard acted as though he was a traitor/want-a-way kid. You got 60m for him!
😆 @ martinhutch
[i]We are not skint by any stretch but we are certainly not competing with the top tier of [ sugar daddy] owners[/i]
Ah, well thats different and something you should be proud of. You are using the Clubs income to run the club and not being used as a rich mans play thing.
You are not buying your Trophies.
Van Persie still injured, or is he just pretending to be sore while his agent does the rounds? If he stays out much longer, the Europa league is beckoning.
Binners - Getting rid of the Glazers, so we stop financing the losses of American shopping malls would be the best thing that could happen at OT
You'll have to get yourself down to one of them anti-Glazer protests like the true Man U fan that you are. 😆
binners don't you watch Man U's matches on hooky-sky in pubs outside of Manchester? 😉
the Europa league is beckoning
Only if city win everything and europa league places trickle further down the premier league finshing places.
Shut it Hindle Pie, You blue monkey! You've got to get past the mighty Sunderland yet 😀
Hindle Pie IS proper Manchester though binners. Manchester-born, City fan etc.
Not like you and me- born/from outside pretending to be local..
My son is Stretford-born so could in theory..
Become a City fan.