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"i'm so stoned right now i agree with TJ AND the computer's much more shiney than before, i like shiney things, things is a funny word isnt it? haha if you say "isnt it" quickly it sounds like "****""
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Just say no peeps!!!
spot on timing this thread
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I agree completely with TJ and his well-reasoned, thoughtful and insightful comments.
I am in an alternate universe.
There has been some good points put across in this thread, my opinion from the perspective of someone who smoked through my late teenage years heavily then gave up completely to join the army and didn't smoke for 6 years then started again once released back into society and smoked continously for the last ten years is that it should be decriminalised, revenue could be raised from the sale of licenses to grow and have licensed premises (like coffee shops) for tokers to use socialy.
As for harder drugs i'm not sure what the answer is but the current approach certainly is'nt working, i can't remember what the figure is exactly that our government is spending on the war on drugs but it is multi millions of pounds and yet only 1% of the heroin coming into the country is siezed, thats hardly value for money for the tax payer.
my skimming of the internet suggests that the uk spends £1500,000,000 on the 'war on drugs'...
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and indeed
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(i promise to look harder - i cannot tell you if that figure includes dealing with all the associated crime/thefts)
An interesting number I heard is that every £1 spent on rhab of junkies saves £7 in costs of crime and in the criminal justice system
There was a pilot project on the south coast where intensive intervention was put in place for the junkies / drunks who did all the shoplifting - massive reduction in local shoplifting as a result.
You know - all that stuff the daily wail hates - but builds respect and self esteem in the junkie fukwits and rehabilitates them into society - and lo an behold - it works!
The project has concentrated on the city 20 most persistent shoplifters, who between them have a total of 920 convictions.Since the project was set up in March last year:
· There has been a 45% reduction in reported thefts by these shoplifters
· The estimated saving to businesses is £600,000 a year
http://www.brightonbusiness.co.uk/htm/ni20050716.631203.htm
I know its drifiting off the orininal premise of thei sthread.........
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8255418.stm ]A scheme in which heroin is given to addicts in supervised clinics has led to big reductions in the use of street drugs and crime, the BBC has learned.[/url]
Research suggests that between half and two-thirds of all crime in the UK is drug-related.
In the previous month before the scheme started, addicts in the heroin injecting group reported carrying out 1,731 crimes.After six months, this had fallen to 547 offences - a reduction of more than two-thirds.
Just give 'em the smack and let them get on with it! Purely pragmatic - it would be so much cheaper for the country!
I'm in the legalise it camp.
Been an occasional toker for the last 20 odd years , never been a heavy smoker. If I do have a spliff then I'll have one not spend all night chugging away.
I'm against the idea of coffee shop type places and think it should only be legal in your own home (or friends) and definitely not on the streets.
During the time I've used cannabis I've been offered just about everything else but enjoy the feeling I get from weed and haven't been tempted. I rarely drink alcohol for 2 reasons ,1) it takes me nearly 48 hours to get over a hangover and 2) my mum seems to get onto the gin at the slightest excuse and it doesn't make her a nice person to be around and I don't want to turn into that kind of person.
yes good point TJ we are all in it together even the smack heads can do their bit. It is the most logical course of action. Whatever our moral view of drugs it wint stopp them being used and /or abused. We then need to deal with this problem the best we can. Prohibition clearly does not work and it appears to do more harm than good. Free smack to addicts it is a vote winner for Dave bet he says it in his speech today
Ill add my 2p's as this is a subject very close to my heart.
I Vaporize (healthiest and most economical way) cannabis regularly, I suffer no ill effects from being a smoker (because I'm not) and more importantly it allows me to lead a semi normal life without mind bending medication.
I am a manic depressive and discovering the benefits of weed pretty much saved my life, its the only substance that has allowed me to be medication free for about 8 years, nothing I have tried (and there has been many) has had any positive effect on my illness except this.
It is completely immoral that a natural plant is illegal!
cannabis use is documented for nearly the whole duration of our existence and there are many scientific documents that will support the medicinal benefits of THC.
I hope one day that its normalised, I hope so very very much.
Car drivers can't get any worse...unless high on cannibis.
Ohh killed a few cyclists...6 months driving ban as cannibis is legal...
Junkyard - Member........ Free smack to addicts it is a vote winner for Dave bet he says it in his speech today
Indeed 🙂
Its one of the issues over sensible drug policies. All the data is out there and practical experience about how to minimise harm to society and individuals from drugs. Its clear the "war on drugs / prohibition approach is not working but can you imagine the frothing at the mouth from the daily wail if any of these things were put into practice.
BTW - Queen Victoria liked a bit of cannabis and morphine I believe
i know this thread is just a thought exercise but it really is pointless
no politician is ever going to support legalisation of canabis or any of the other popular drugs
no matter how many ,studies show the wisdom of it, scientists resign, experiments are produced or middleclass keyboard warriors know it makes sense, its as doomed as hampsterdam
even the lib dems voted to put it in their manifesto a few years back but the leadership decided to ignore their own party and ditched the idea
its all just a pipe dream
its all just a pipe dream
Sadly, this is true - as is a lot of progressive thinking.
What a mature thread this has turned out to be! How disappointing.
So it turns out you're all stoners then.... better find a roadie forum.and threaten their pure ways or something
Been smoking weed for 22 years and would confess that taking any substance that alters body and mind has both negataive and positive effects. The assumption that all pot smokers are wasters is absolute nonsense. I know many people who are in productive careers, including myself and see using it as no different to other legal alternatives. Ying and yang, everything has a positive and a negative. Just remember that moderation is the key to all things naughty!
philconsequence - MemberWhat a mature thread this has turned out to be! How disappointing.
apart from the childish tags of course. How predictable.
Also it is offensive to see that people are generalizing so much. Not all smack heads are tossers for example. There are good people and there are bad, end ov!!
No politician or government ever is going to ake it happen.
You know why? Well it's easy, when the pot head is worried about getting his daily spliff, he's in no way bothered about what liberty/social privilege the government is going to scrap.
Get it legal and:
Less people are going to smoke, therefore more people are going to think. And government hates people who think...
Offensive? oh for goodness sake, get a grip.
Get a grip? Why, what do you mean?
FIght? Can't we all just like... get along man?
"there are good people and there are bad......"
why dont be ban bad people then?
However do not underestimate the severity or duration of the comedown/stoneover more noticable in crops grown using chemical fertilizers. The effect is still present in organic weed, but less so.
Eh? Never had a comedown/hangover from the stuff, same can't be said for alcohol 😕
I mean how can you seriously find some of the generalisations offensive?
We are talking about a generic social issue, which by default is going have generic and summarised statements. Of course there are going to be people who dont fall into the generalised category/statements ... but to say that its offensive to those that dont fall into it ... naw, I dont buy that one bit.
You cant please all of the people all of the time, and sometimes there are genuine statements of opinion made which are not directed as being insults or derogatory. Its my opinion to then find such things as offensive is pretty petty, and of weak minded character. Not everyone likes me and my social occupation ... do I find it offensive when people make sweeping generalisations about those like me ? No. I dont worry about it.
Eh? Never had a comedown/hangover from the stuff, same can't be said for alcohol
I have a few mates who smoked daily from about 15-22 and they definitely said they had comedowns that lasted a few days when they stopped!
No need to get personal dude!! I advise a large dose of cannabinoids!!
"there are good people and there are bad......"why dont be ban bad people then?
And who would we get to run the country whilst we all get stoned?
me, i can't stand the stuff.
don't worry, you'll be in safe hands...
i favour a form of government i call 'compassionate dictatorship' - you'll all love it.
I mean how can you seriously find some of the generalisations offensive?
Paranoid people often think you're talking about them.
Yawn...
A respiratory specialist nurse friend of hours sees a lot of chronic users of cannabis as patients.
She is no doubt that it has a very damaging effect on lungs, it may be agrued that it could be the Tobacco causing the damage, but she is very insistent that within her department that it is recognised that it is the cannabis doing the damage.
do any of these people just smoke cannabis alone?
Have they published there findings etc
I dont think anyone here is actually going to claim that smoking anything is actually good for your lungs. Consuming alcohol is not good for your liver but we have not banned it. Individual choice to accept the risk ?
Scotabroad, if it's such an evident truth you've got to ask why it isn't a more widely researched and reported truth. There is AFAIK no established link at all between cannabis and respiratory diseases other than that attributable to tobacco smoked with the cannabis.
Anyway.
nonk - Member
"IME the dope smurkers of society turn to layabout spongers who are unable to self reflect. they simply are unable to accept that they are at fault.
then there are the oportunitys missed ,the company fallen into and the lifestyle adopted. no doubt this is not all dope smokers but it's most in my view."
The number of recreational cannabis users is absolutely vast. Good numbers are hard to find of course but a quick google suggests 3.3 million regular users in the UK in 2004. Do you really think they're all layabout spongers? I do know a couple of layabout weed users, then, I know a couple of layabout non-smokers. I can't substantiate it with good numbers but I very much doubt you're correct, i think you're just buying into the stereotype, or possibly these are just the smokers you're most aware of, whereas non-layabout smokers don't catch your attention.
qwerty - Member
"err actually inner city kids living in poverty do!"
Inner city kids living in poverty steal stuff, shock. Among the reasons they steal is to buy weed but is that a major motivator? Deprived kids tend to commit crimes.
One last note on criminality... It's probably been mentioned but I didn't see it, as it stands, if you want to buy weed, you have to speak to a dealer. So straight away you're in touch with a gen-u-ine criminal, who quite often will sell other drugs. So that removes a major barrier to takeup of other drugs. But, legalise it and you lose that contact. (real world support- in prohibition era america, use of other drugs rose, since illegal drinking naturally put you in touch with a criminal network of suppliers)
Scotabroad, if it's such an evident truth you've got to ask why it isn't a more widely researched and reported truth. There is AFAIK no established link at all between cannabis and respiratory diseases other than that attributable to tobacco smoked with the cannabis.
Cannabis burns at a higher temperature than tabacco. This is believed to have additional harmful effects.
Cannabis is more likely to be smoked without a filter. This will also increase its harmful effect.
Southern Yeti wrote, "Cannabis is more likely to be smoked without a filter. This will also increase its harmful effect. "
Certainly true that. Though the flipside is, cannabis users tend not to smoke as much as straight tobacco smokers. Unless they have really weak weed, massive resistance or they just roll crap joints of course.
I would not be suprised if cannabis caused respiratory disease - it is mainly smoked mixed with tobacco without filters and people inhale deeply and hold it in their lungs
How to differentiate the tobacco damage from the cannabis damage is hard. Even smoked pure I would think it very much an irritant. Bob Marley died of Lung cancer did he not?
i've somked for approx half my life (14-28).
i managed to pass my GCSEs, A-levels and hold down numerous jobs.
of all my school friends i know of only one that ****ed up, but then agian he always was a **** and destined for the scrapheap long before he smoked weed.
i've worked with people twice my age who smoke whilst on the job and the quality of their work or their productivity isn't affected.
if weed were legalised, or at least de-criminalised, then the police would have a lot more time and resources to focus on serious crime. what is the point in arresting someone for a few spliffs worth of grass?
this topic will just go round and round and end up nowhere. not until government have a sensible debate on the matter will anything change.
Vaporisers 😉
yeah im sure i read on the bbc that some medical body wanted to push the use of vapourisers
now where can i get one
Alternatively you could dissolve the THC into some fatty milk (i.e. Jersey gold top) and use it in your tea/coffee/cornflakes ect , like my mate who doesn't smoke does.
Boil a bottle up in a pan , pour into a thermos (type) flask , drop in good sized bud , steep for an hour , use as required!
Bazz - Member"there are good people and there are bad......"
why dont we ban bad people then?
And who would we get to run the country whilst we all get stoned?
bovvered, i aint
carlosg - Member
Alternatively you could dissolve the THC into some fatty milk (i.e. Jersey gold top) and use it in your tea/coffee/cornflakes ect , like my mate who doesn't smoke does.Boil a bottle up in a pan , pour into a thermos (type) flask , drop in good sized bud , steep for an hour , use as required!
We used to put it into yoghurts.
Mmmm, space yoghurts, those were the days...
When I was younger, I was at my regular diabetic outpatients and had a chat with the diabetic nurse...
"So, you're of an age now when you're probably thinking about drink and drugs"
"Um"
"So I have to tell you that you absolutely must not give in to temptation and smoke cannabis"
"Oh"
"Smoking's terrible for diabetics, instead, crumble it into a yoghurt, you'll get a longer lasting high too and you'll waste less. Oh and use one of those electric lighters instead of a butane one"