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The purposely loaded panels and audiences in QT to be in favour of brexit..
The first QT with Nigel Farage on it broke records for audience viewing figures. It feels like a better explanation (to me at least) as to why a broadcaster would repeat it so often.
the vitreol in this thread I find a bit puzzling, in fact, possibly troubling. Nobody woke up hating Kuennesberg that much so somebody is feeding that hatred, and if you really believe that you just happen to have all the insight into how evil she is just from your one intellect
Echo chambers exist to re-enforce people's preferred narratives, and to banish any self doubt they might have. Obviously without any counter balance this spirals into ever increasing positions of extremism.
It is almost as if people are trying to outcompete each other for who can express the most hatred. And yes, it is troubling. It's certainly not the basis for intelligent debate.
Political threads on stw might have different titles but the texts remain largely the same...... "We all despise the Tories, and all Tories are thick and stupid" and crucially, so are most voters, in other words everyone who doesn't vote correctly.
I am not Laura Kuennesberg's number one fan. As far as I am concerned she was part of the establishment stitch up of Jeremy Corbyn.
It doesn't however lead to make ridiculous comparisons with the state media in Russia, a country where journalists who don't tow the establishment line are simply murdered.
Or claim that she is a despicable,complicit, arrogant, stupid, moronic, unethical, immoral and uncaring without a shred of humanity and personally complicit in the decline of the UK.
10 or 15 years ago political threads on stw were very different. There was a healthy mix of political opinions, and I dare say that some people's opinions on issues were probably changed through persuasion. Today it is a far more hostile and toxic, and people's opinions simply become more entrenched through validation.
Still, it no doubt fulfills a need so I don't expect it to change, just to become even less tolerant. It is clear imo that some people need a vehicle to express their anger and frustrations, stw provides that.
The first QT with Nigel Farage on it broke records for audience viewing figures. It feels like a better explanation (to me at least) as to why a broadcaster would repeat it so often.
but an impartial state broadcaster should not be swayed by such considerations. And now we have a special segment on the news whenever Nigel Farage farts. Meanwhile the Farage Seat on QT has been filled by Kate Andrewx, ex Tufton St recipient of murky cash and arch opponent of the NHS. Easy to make funny jokes about Russia Today but at the end of the day the BBC are headed down that path. Ch4 news has been better than bbc for ages and now Sky are also better. Even ITV seem to have better news coverage. Time to pull the plug on this shower and stick to documentaries. Oh. But the Beeb didn’t broadcast David Attenborough’s last film for fear of offending the Tories. Oh well. Reruns of Fools And Horses it is, then.
Pook
Full MemberHow she can be so rubber necked to report this way and not take a single morsel of responsibility is beyond me.
I constantly expected her to giggle, turn to camera and whisper "I did that". Was also a bit surprised to not hear "grim", the Kuennesberg code for "I know this didn't really happen but I am reporting it as if it did"
(Peston did pretty much the exact same thing after the financial crisis, lots of articles etc about how SOME people had been irresponsible and had spread misinformation and scare stories or represented things in ways that would be misunderstood by their audience. PSSSST, "I did that!")
Nice to see the BBC making more use of Victoria Derbyshire, especially now she seems to be a permanent fixture on Newsnight. No softball questions to Tory ministers on her watch. She’s a Rottweiler. She should always have got the QT gig instead of Fiona Bruce
It doesn’t however lead to make ridiculous comparisons with the state media in Russia, a country where journalists who don’t tow the establishment line are simply murdered.
Jeez it was a tongue-in-cheek comparison. I don't know about STW becoming a platform for people to vent their anger, but it's certainly lost any sense of humour it once had. Not everything everyone says has to be forensically and pedantically deconstructed. 🙄
Besides, you already reference LK's part in stitching Corbyn up. The UK govt might not murder the likes of Owen Jones but it doesn't need to, the UK establishment have long since mastered the art of getting what they what without resorting to violence. You can take that as a good or bad thing depending on your point of view.
Echo chambers exist to re-enforce people’s preferred narratives, and to banish any self doubt they might have......It is almost as if people are trying to outcompete each other for who can express the most hatred. And yes, it is troubling. It’s certainly not the basis for intelligent debate.
Sometimes it comes across that way
I am, unfortunately, exposed to the right wing Brexity echo chamber that my parents inhabit, and I can assure you, the cause of this great nations decline is the tofu eating woke leftie marxists that run the BBC and brainwash us with their communist propaganda.
I figure if you can outrage both ends of the spectrum, the truth probably lies in the middle.
Somewhere in the middle. But when it comes to preparing people for their voting responsibility… not “the” middle.
Anyway, I like LK. As a political gossip gatherer, stirrer and deliverer she was ace. That she was promoted and had so much exposure based on that skill… well, that’s the fault of others. I don’t mind her obvious bias either, but only when it’s watered down by balanced (or indeed biased in other ways) content from others. We had far too much of her, during a time when UK politics was failing and flailing. It’s no surprise that she has riled so many people.
Haven’t watched yet… but I will.
what a bunch of weirdos
That's rich coming from a privately educated, elite university product with views closer to Rees-Mogg than anyone on the fourm. 🙂
The BBC: Gulf war and Brexit facilitating cap doffing to the wrong people.
Laura Kuennesberg: a useful fool.
Laura Kuennesberg: a useful fool.
I'm sure she gets paid very well. She knows what side her bread is buttered on.
The purposely loaded panels and audiences in QT to be in favour of brexit
Not really. But forever trying to strike balance when there are 100 economists who think brexit is a shit idea and 1 that thinks it's brilliant, and giving both views equal representation, the beeb was definitely guilty of.
But the Beeb didn’t broadcast David Attenborough’s last film for fear of offending the Tories.
Jeez not this shit again 🙄
IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE BROADCAST
Jeez not this shit again 🙄
IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE BROADCAST
because … ?
DrJFull Member
Jeez not this shit again 🙄IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE BROADCAST
because … ?
it was an iPlayer only commission. Happens a lot these days.. will happen a lot more in the future
Don’t believe all you read in the daily mail.
it was an iPlayer only commission. Happens a lot these days.. w
really? Can you give us some more examples of where the Beeb commission 5 programmes for prime time broadcast and commission a 6th for iplayer only?
Oh god...just do a bit of reading. Even before it was released the BBC had said it was 5 broadcast episodes and one on iplayer.
Oh god…just do a bit of reading. Even before it was released the BBC had said it was 5 broadcast episodes and one on iplayer.
oh god … just do a bit of thinking. What was it about the 6th episode that made them treat it differently?
Of course! Why didn't i think of that!
Why didn’t i think
of that!
FTFY
It's cos i forgot to wear my tinfoil hat i suppose 🙄
Come on - my hat is made of aluminium, not tin, And Kitty's!
Now if you dont believe They are at it - how the Swear Filter Avoidance, did I get redirected to Space Karen's zombie social media site when I first tried to edit in Kitty?
Tell me that! Do your own research!
It is inspired by the Wild Isles series but not part of it and therefore BBC have acquired it for iPlayer.
“therefore” ? What logic is being alluded to ?
Anyway, ignoring the conspiracy theory nutjobs for a minute...the best thing about the program has to be Geoffrey Cox's trousers. Truly magnificent 😂
Tell us you’re clueless without telling us you’re clueless…
Watching RT in the run up to the Ukraine invasion before the ban was uncomfortably like watching the BBC in the run up to Iraq. Both events viewed with German Eins Extra and French TF1 reporting as the alternative.
RT and the BBC demonising the enemy, both carrying misleading propaganda, both peddling government lies.
Anyway, ignoring the conspiracy theory nutjobs for a minute
I hadn't even been aware of the extent of the BBC conspiracy theory, but it's obviously a popular one.
Truly magnificent
It's been a while since I've seen trousers that skim the sternum. Fabulous
Just watching it and the Brexit vote feels like a lifetime ago, due to everything these bastards have inflicted on us all since then. Not a single one of them with any nobler motives than their own personal advancement. Boris *ing Johnson being at the forefront of that. More than happy to wreck the whole system of government to serve his own interests
It also has the feel of a post-mortem of something that died quite some time ago, namely the Tory party. I’d very much like the death of the Tory party to be the legacy of that self-serving * Johnson
Political party makes appointments beneficial to themselves.. Hardly mind control radar from Atlantis.
Nice to see the BBC making more use of Victoria Derbyshire, especially now she seems to be a permanent fixture on Newsnight. No softball questions to Tory ministers on her watch. She’s a Rottweiler.
Funny you should say that, Victoria was on Newsnight last night with an American Bully XL and the hound looked uncomfortable.
Liked her 5 live breakfast.
Geoffrey Cox’s trousers/dungarees really are quite something
Behind the stupid cartoon persona, Rees Mogg really is a fully paid up fascist, isn’t he?
What's remarkable is that people like LK are still employed as journalists/presenters. I've just had a look at some of her past achievements which are mainly a series of gaffs, manipulations, blatant bias and warnings yet she's still there poisoning the airwaves and digital streams.
The whole first part is obviously setting the scene for Johnson's arrival just in time for the pandemic. Be interesting to see how he is treated by her, that will tell us a lot about how close exactly she was to Cummings etc.
It is a bit Car Crash TV but strangely I want to watch the next part.
Behind the stupid cartoon persona, Rees Mogg really is a fully paid up fascist, isn’t he?
Watched it last night, it's clear that some of them are getting their version of events firmly onto the record/out into the public. JRM's comments about the politicisation of the judiciary are straight out of RW US politics playbook. What a ****.
His dad literally wrote the book that the whole right wing QA nutjobs started out with
Isn't your dad a committed Tory?
What does that say about you?
What does that say about you?
That I can see the error of my ways and change my opinion when I understood the damage that their policies were doing.
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Who's watched the second episode then? Specifically about Johnson. Its even worse than the first
I know that a lot of it is now common knowledge with stuff thats already been reported, but its still shocking to see senior civil servants etc tell exactly whats happened.
It was clear that Johnson had no interest in the day-to-day running of government so essentially outsourced it all to Dominic Cummings, who then started acting like some Fascist Dictator.
Its insane to see how our system of government, by law, is so weak that someone like that can basically tear up all the norms of democracy and pretty much do what they like. And look where its got us
I know that a lot of it is now common knowledge with stuff thats already been reported, but its still shocking to see senior civil servants etc tell exactly whats happened.
I was more shocked at what a silver-spoon mouthed simpleton that foreign office permanent secretary was. Hardly a surprise that someone like Cummings would want to go in and tell all these establishment functionaries where to go. If you want to know why the north doesn't get the investment and attention it deserves, that posh foreign office bloke is a good answer. The whole of government is riddled with them.
You can't just go from one extreme to the other overnight though
I'm more concerned about an unelected advisor ordering the chancellor of the exchequer to sack his entire team of advisors to be replaced by one selected by him and the Prime Minister giving it the nod, because he was too lazy or spineless (more likely both) to stand up to him
I was more shocked at what a silver-spoon mouthed simpleton that foreign office permanent secretary was.
that’s the problem. They are all from the same establishment clique. Same posh schools and universities. It’s been this way for ever eldest son gets the estate, the rest become senior civil servants or military officers depending on how thick they are
If you want to know why the north doesn’t get the investment and attention it deserves, that posh foreign office bloke is a good answer. The whole of government is riddled with them.
Or it tells us you how much you are influenced by class ridden stereotypes.
Dominic Cummings, who then started acting like some Fascist Dictator.
Spot on. At the risk of Godwinising the thread, his actions really are straight out of Hitler’s 1930’s playbook . Get into power & then subvert the (relatively impartial) institutions of state by replacing them with overtly political appointees. It also highlights yet again the delusions of Brexit that anybody attempting to tell the truth is seen as an opponent.