Knock it down, plan...
 

MegaSack DRAW - This year's winner is user - rgwb
We will be in touch

[Closed] Knock it down, planning rules, channel 4 now

41 Posts
28 Users
0 Reactions
108 Views
Posts: 341
Free Member
Topic starter
 

People who have built large homes without proper planning permission, and the jobsworths want them demolished.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:19 pm
Posts: 65996
Full Member
 

What's the point of planning permission rules if you can just ignore them? Hardly makes people jobsworths. You just need to ask the question, would this have received planning permission? And act accordingly.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:21 pm
Posts: 1083
Full Member
 

Trouble is, if you set a particular precedent you might as well scrap planning rules altogether.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:21 pm
Posts: 5772
Full Member
 

I appreciate the creativity that some of them have gone too.
But really if they didn't get planning then tough


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:24 pm
Posts: 13356
Free Member
 

If your'e a planning officer just think twice if you turn up to knock a house down....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Dryden


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:27 pm
Posts: 341
Free Member
Topic starter
 

The ones featured so far have no or little intrusion on other peoples amenity,just jealous jobswotrths asserting their authority, the designs are great and fit in with surroundings, visit any supermarket and see how it doesnt fit in with the area,yet they get planning permision.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:33 pm
Posts: 852
Free Member
 

Project, one of them yours??


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:36 pm
Posts: 56846
Full Member
 

I hope the mahoosive White House is lit up with blue spotlights at night. It's so tasteful, it'd be a missed opportunity if not 🙂


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:37 pm
 Drac
Posts: 50462
 

I remember that Dryden incident. Fortunately it doesn't happen often and was one of the incidents that lead to change in handgun laws.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:38 pm
Posts: 77704
Free Member
 

Are they being knocked down because PP was ultimately rejected, or never sought in the first place? I'd like to think that the first response to "you don't have PP" was "get it, then" rather than "wrecking ball."


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:39 pm
Posts: 852
Free Member
 

you'd always be invited to submit an application and would have to exhaust the planning process before the council would take direct action


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:43 pm
Posts: 13618
Free Member
 

Or rebuilt...

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32607286 ]Carlton Tavern[/url]


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:43 pm
Posts: 34482
Full Member
 

Love the farmer who 'hid' his build, then claims he's Mr Innocent...

not a lot sympathy TBH.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:44 pm
Posts: 357
Free Member
 

My ex's dad didn't have planning for his log abode. Luckily some bats have moved in and the bat man loves the place.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:44 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

Somewhere in texas has no zoning rules.

Guess what. Common sense applies, They get some fantatstic creative houses but most are pretty normal. Only expansion has resulted in the odd historical daftness but mostly they put abbatoirs and power stations in one place and hooses in another.

project - Exactly loads of industrial design is just crappy temporary sheds. British houses are shit.
New Towns!! Some of the 50's and 60's houses in these places are great others are just crap and need rebuilt.

Barratt estates with individual free reign houses would be amazing!


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:45 pm
Posts: 426
Free Member
 

They'll have been through years of legal argument when various courts will have supported the Council's position.

And yes, the first stage will have been an enforcement action against the unauthorised development - the appeal against that action is more or less the same as a planning application in the first place.

Also worth noting that in most cases the council won't do anything in the first place unless a member of the public has objected. Then it's the council's legal duty to follow it up; they have no choice.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:47 pm
Posts: 32573
Full Member
 

You have to be pretty dumb/arrogant to do a big build without permission. If it then gets rejected at retrospective stage and you have to demolish it, well that's just the price of being a cocky ****!

Edit - Wasn't expecting that to get censored!


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:47 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

Cougar - Moderator
Are they being knocked down because PP was ultimately rejected, or never sought in the first place? I'd like to think that the first response to "you don't have PP" was "get it, then" rather than "wrecking ball."
POSTED 7 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST

Well it's kinda hard to forget:

[img] [/img]


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:49 pm
Posts: 56846
Full Member
 

All the planning officials seem like some unholy hybrid of

[img] [/img]

And...

[img] [/img]


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:51 pm
Posts: 852
Free Member
 

not surprising given most of the public they deal with


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:54 pm
Posts: 34482
Full Member
 

[i]You have to be pretty dumb/arrogant to do a big build without permission[/i]

This. If you're so sure of your building, get your boxes ticked...


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:54 pm
Posts: 19458
Free Member
 

esselgruntfuttock - Member
If your'e a planning officer just think twice if you turn up to knock a house down....

That council officer was very brave standing in front of a man with a revolver pistol pointing at him.

The result both suffered ...

😮


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:56 pm
Posts: 0
Full Member
 

We've all heard of some rather bizarre planning regulations or planners rejecting designs that would have no effect on anyone/anything, no wonder some folk just build what they want is it.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:58 pm
 Drac
Posts: 50462
 

Just caught the end. That faux castle was horrendous for once Pickles made a sensible decision.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 7:59 pm
Posts: 341
Free Member
Topic starter
 

on again on channel 4 plus 1


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 8:06 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

That council officer was very brave standing in front of a man with a revolver pistol pointing at him.

The result both suffered ...

Or very stupid.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 8:06 pm
Posts: 13356
Free Member
 

That council officer was very brave standing in front of a man with a revolver pistol pointing at him.
The result both suffered ...

Or very stupid.

I think Dryden's still in prison. I'll check tomorrow when I go in. 🙁


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 8:15 pm
Posts: 8880
Free Member
 

*starts building 10 storey baroque/gothic static caravan opposite projects house*


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 8:24 pm
Posts: 341
Free Member
Topic starter
 

*starts building 10 storey baroque/gothic static caravan opposite projects house*

moving in a few weeks time to a 16th floor appartment block


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 8:38 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

By way of balance how did any of those council concrete monstrosity tower blocks and estates, which destroyed communities,led to social incohesion and contributed to a host of other social ills ,only to end up being knocked down 20-30 years later, ever get planning permission? Oh the council grant planning permission....and the compulsory purchase orders that led to the demolition of the previous housing stock.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 8:48 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

If your'e a planning officer just think twice if you turn up to knock a house down....

😯

Wow, what a sad end.

Kudos to that reporter for getting his piece to camera down while he's bleeding from a gun shot wound in his arm.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 8:53 pm
Posts: 3294
Full Member
 

Bizarrely the bling white monstrosity was the only one I had any issue with.

The hidden house guy exploited a loop hole that subsequently and in direct response meant the wording in the planning regs was changed. Being as it was a legitimate loop hole at the time, I can't see any reason for not giving it retrospective permission and letting them keep it.

The shark, if it'd been done by Banksy or Damien Hurst would be granted in a moment and be worth millions.

The gypsy house seemed by the way the council constantly changed what they were going after them for like it was just a vendetta. It might have been the sympathetic way it was presented but it was definitely a "mobile home" and the guy was obviously very much a gypsy.

I'd definitely flatten the white mansion without a moments consideration as it was just nasty but the rest I'd have let ride.

It made planning officers look like the most incredible power crazed jobsworths when it comes to an individuals homes but we all know what happens when Tescos comes to town. . . . . . .


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 9:02 pm
Posts: 19458
Free Member
 

esselgruntfuttock - Member
That council officer was very brave standing in front of a man with a revolver pistol pointing at him.
The result both suffered ...

Or very stupid.

I think Dryden's still in prison. I'll check tomorrow when I go in.

I think over-confident in their authoritative power vs a person who has not much else left in life ...
I think he is still in prison and is 70+ year old now.

whatnobeer - Member
If your'e a planning officer just think twice if you turn up to knock a house down....

Wow, what a sad end.
Kudos to that reporter for getting his piece to camera down while he's bleeding from a gun shot wound in his arm.

Well I would consider the rest lucky to get away with their lives with minor injuries. Just image if he was using an AK-47 or Beneli M4 the outcome would be very different ...
😯


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 9:04 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

Quite liked the farmer dude. Love-able rogue builds house on his own under a tarpaulin 🙂


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 9:06 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

[quote=Speeder ]The hidden house guy exploited a loop hole that subsequently and in direct response meant the wording in the planning regs was changed. Being as it was a legitimate loop hole at the time, I can't see any reason for not giving it retrospective permission and letting them keep it.

Not exactly. The planning rules were clarified, not changed. It never was a legitimate loophole, he simply thought it was.

I'd definitely flatten the white mansion without a moments consideration as it was just nasty but the rest I'd have let ride.

So build what you like where you like as long as it's not nasty? I'm sure that would work well.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 9:21 pm
 hora
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

Loved the mega mansion for sheer balls to waste his money. Funnily enough theres something similar gone up in Altrincham not so long ago. Makes you wonder.

As for the jobsworth bollocks. Sod off. Should it be a grey, woolly and open to friends of friends favours then?

Top of Huddersfield a Developer thought he could demolish an old pub on Castle Hill and build a big hotel. It can be seen by ALL of the town. Guess what? They were stopped but not before they had destroyed the old building and started the hotel. Should have been bloody jailed. Arrogant or what?


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 9:29 pm
 Drac
Posts: 50462
 

It made planning officers look like the most incredible power crazed jobsworths when it comes to an individuals homes but we all know what happens when Tescos comes to town. .

Yeah I do. They get refused so they change the plans several times but still get refused. So they sell the land back to the original owner for a loss.


 
Posted : 12/05/2015 3:01 am
Posts: 3642
Free Member
 

The mobile home one was a bit odd, when the council took it down they said there was no warning but a few minutes later they were showing a pile of papers a foot high that had been going back and forward for 9 years!

Little sympathy from me, some people think the rules apply to everybody but them.


 
Posted : 12/05/2015 8:36 am
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

[quote=hora ]As for the jobsworth bollocks. Sod off. Should it be a grey, woolly and open to friends of friends favours then?

No, and it isn't. If the local planning authority turn down your application then you go to the planning inspectorate, where the inspector will have no personal involvement at all and make a ruling based just on planning law. It's really not as corrupt a system as those who get refused permission for things which break the rules try to make out (well only to the extent that the big developers bought the new Tory planning laws to favour them).


 
Posted : 12/05/2015 8:52 am
Posts: 13594
Free Member
 

If you build without Planning then they should knock it down, no question. No point in having Planning Laws otherwise.


 
Posted : 12/05/2015 9:03 am
 hora
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

The mobile home one was a bit odd, when the council took it down they said there was no warning but a few minutes later they were showing a pile of papers a foot high that had been going back and forward for 9 years!

Notice how the owner was measuring the over length of just the body of the two statics and not the other additional bits


 
Posted : 12/05/2015 9:03 am
Posts: 0
Full Member
 

[quote="aracer"]
So build what you like where you like as long as [b]you the owner think[/b] it's not nasty? I'm sure that would work well.
Clarified that for you 🙂


 
Posted : 12/05/2015 9:07 am