[Closed] Kevin Spacey - why is he allowed the I’m sorry card...

😀 Laterz cos it's an interesting conundrum.

What’s your take on the Adam Sandler thing?

Of course he was out of order but notice that he didn't place his hand on the knee of the other female sitting next to him. Why's that? He's clearly a creep and probably a perv.

On the other hand he's in a world where men used to have all the power but that has now changed. Except he's not noticed.

but notice that he didn't place his hand on the knee of the other female sitting next to him. Why's that?

He's clearly a creep and probably a perv.

The comments section of this piece makes interesting reading...
https://jezebel.com/what-exactly-did-kevin-spacey-do-on-the-set-of-house-of-1819971404

Because she wasn't the one he was referring to being nominated together for a Golden Globe?

OK.

You think there was something sexual in it?

I would imagine he enjoyed placing his hand on her knee on several occasions but was clearly oblivious to her reactions. Who knows whether he gets off on doing that when he knows he's likely to get away with it.

Why's that? He's clearly a creep and probably a perv.

Did you see how long and often he put his hand on Dustin Hoffmans knee, for much longer and much more often.

Because she wasn't the one he was referring to being nominated together for a Golden Globe?

precisely - why else would he have said "just like you"

What about where Emma ruffled Adams hair, also getting into his space that he didn't invite her into :

This forum is full of pathetic hand-ringers and virtue signallers.

I would imagine he enjoyed placing his hand on her knee on several occasions but was clearly oblivious to her reactions. Who knows whether he gets off on doing that when he knows he's likely to get away with it.

I would imagine he enjoyed placing his hand on her knee on several occasions but was clearly oblivious to her reactions.

I didn't see any change in her body position or body language afterwards that would indicate she had been offended, nor in the motions she made at the time. That would tie with the statement she has made since.

Did he also enjoy touching Dustin Hoffmans knee, or was it just an empathetic gesture ?

To take your imaginings and who knowses and label a guy as being clearly a creep on the back of them is pretty poor form.

pretty poor form is putting it mildly in my book.

This forum is full of pathetic hand-ringers and virtue signallers.

Plenty of unreconstructed males too for balance. The type that have lots of first dates and very few second ones because they needed a rule book to tell them when they can touch someone and when they can’t, such is their poor grasp of context in a social situation.

Thankfully only a few people that use the phrase “virtue signallers” though.

The majority of folk are aware of boundaries. Thank goodness.

Look, touching anyone in an overly familiar way is not on. Obviously, years of patriarchy have added an extra dynamic when it's a man touching a woman in an overly familiar way. Does this make Adam Sandler a creep and pervert, probably not, definitely a bit insensitive and touchy, but hardly a pervert.
Quite why we're discussing this on a thread about a man allegedly sexually assaulting teenage boys is beyond me, because the two things could not possibly be equated.

To take your imaginings and who knowses and label a guy as being clearly a creep on the back of them is pretty poor form. Don't know why that would be considered more acceptable than touching someones knee briefly during a normal conversation that had nothing of a sexual slant to it.

We need more women in this thread, if only to share our tales of sexual predators, inappropriate behaviour, misogyny etc etc.

We need more women in this thread, if only to share our tales of sexual predators, inappropriate behaviour, misogyny etc etc.

This thread about a man preying on boys?

We need more women in this thread, if only to share our tales of sexual predators, inappropriate behaviour, misogyny etc etc.

How about Adam Sandler treating men and women equally - he touches Dustin Hoffmans knee, he touches Claire's knee.

I thought that is what we are suppossed to be aiming for.

I really feel sorry for Adam Sandler at this point and not because his films have gone down hill since Happy Gilmore. What Weinstein did is sickening, if Spacey is guilty then ditto. Sandler, I really don’t understand the fuss. The woman he touched didn’t care according to her statement and he did the same thing to Dustin Hoffman.

Plenty of unreconstructed males too for balance. The type that have lots of first dates and very few second ones because they needed a rule book to tell them when they can touch someone and when they can’t, such is their poor grasp of context in a social situation.

that's funny.

Is opening a door for a lady currently frowned upon, or not? Is it not a form of micro-misogyny, or even misogyny?

Same with guiding a lady to her chair by touching her, I don't ever recall seeing a lady doing that to a man.

If you regard the sexes as equal, then why would you do such a thing?

Dates that want you to do that must not really be wanted to be treated as equal. And look at the popularity of the 50 shades books.

After this Adam Sandler debacle the rules of society might well change and in a few years time people will bring up some footage of someone in the public eye guiding someone to their chair with a condescending touch, a bit like Trump does to his wife.

that's funny.

Cheers.

I didn't see any change in her body position or body language afterwards that would indicate she had been offended, nor in the motions she made at the time.

How about Adam Sandler treating men and women equally - he touches Dustin Hoffmans knee, he touches Claire's knee.

Please stop using slippery slope fallacies to make your point. Not touching women inappropriately wont lead to an end of chivalry not least because a chivalrous man would not dream of touching inappropriately

Re: Adam sander on G Norton... Bit late to reply... but....

Lets put it a way that some of you may understand

A homosexual* man is doing that to you - you still ok with it ?

Honestly... yes. I’d be totally fine with that, in that situation.
I’m maybe a bit odd, but I don’t mind being touched, wouldn’t bother me if it was a 20 year old supermodel (male or female) or someone old enough to be my great grandmother (and anyone in between)
I honestly think it’s weird to find that level of contact anything other than acceptable in that situation.

One is a woman he has never met

whist you may have a pedantry point [ perhaps i should have said knew less well] but the fact remains that we all act differently with friends of 20 years than folk we just met which, as you well know, is th epoint and you cannot negate it.

Secondly surely even you and turner can see dustin reacts considerably differently from her- even if you wish to argue she is fine with it which is not true.

Neal we are all ok with different levels if you are tactile you cannot assume the other person is and surely basic manner would require you to look at them and read their reaction rather than repeat when clearly brushed off.

Who knows why you have troubles on first dates...you read reactions so well.

I certainly can't read as much out of a youtube video as you, including all the extra bits you add in :

We are obviously watching a different clip she goes to move it he responds by putting it back on and she has to move it again

she did not move his hand either time...

even if you wish to argue she is fine with it which is not true.

why do you insist she is not fine with it - she has made a statement saying she was fine with it. You are making stuff up again...

Also Graham has deliberately made an environment to encourage a higher level of intimacy between the guests than in some shows.

even if you wish to argue she is fine with it which is not true.

surely basic manner would require you to look at them and read their reaction rather than repeat when clearly brushed off.

when you are sitting that close to them on the sofa then you can't really see their reaction, and also it was not a clear brush off, mainly because nothing was brushed.

She had to follow his hand to where he had put it back on his leg and she lightly touched it.

If she was indicating to 'keep it there and don't do it again' then I would have thought she would have pressed down on his hand to indicate it should stay there, not the fleeting tap she gave it, which prompted him to remember the attempt at empathy over the award and the 'just like you' comment.

You can CITE a source for that also. How dare you use your white male privlege to decide how a woman is feeling despite the statement released on her behalf to the contrary. Maybe she shouldn't worry her pretty little head about the whole situation, Junkyard is here to speak for her, afterall she must be to weak to say what she really feels.

precisely.

**** me are you ****s still arguing?

Was just about to say! Is there really anything new to discuss?? 'kin hell.

BTW - the definition of assault ( not sexual assault) that I gave here was given to me by a professor in law during a series of lectures at honours level that I attended.

[quote=fin25 ]* me are you * still arguing?

Nope Turner and i are debating[ repeating is more accurate] the other person is trolling.

I agree its time to stop no one is going to either change their opinions or say anything new.

not least because a chivalrous man would not dream of touching inappropriately

Too busy being a violent psychopath I’d imagine. My definition of chivalry might be outdated admittedly.

the other person is trolling

Didn't the Sony hack reveal that Sandler was an unpleasant arsehole anyway?

Now, I'm playing devils advocate a bit here, but when Geetee did his thing in the #metoo thread he was (rightly) ripped to shreds.
Now we're all here on a thread about a predatory male actor (allegedly) assaulting teenage boys debating the misogyny of Adam Sandler's touchy fingers.
How is this not the same?

Or am I just a mysoginist too?

i think this was an unintentional side bar /thread derail rather than intentional so its different. Its equally pointless though

It's the same.. It's rapey.

We all have close friends that we touch in social situations, that's completely natural IF you are close friends.

What's coming out is not friendly.

It's the same.. It's rapey.

which bit, Adam Sandler or Kevin ??

Brett Rather now too,

http://www.darkhorizons.com/brett-ratner-accused-of-sexual-harassment/

Odds on who's next in Hollywood?

years of patriarchy

😆

Now, I'm playing devils advocate a bit here, but when Geetee did his thing in the #metoo thread he was (rightly) ripped to shreds.

Is that a martyr/victim complex I am surprised that you externalised it and blamed others its so unlike you

Is that a martyr/victim complex I am surprised that you externalised it and blamed others its so unlike you

You're so smart, you figure it out. Do you know what The Crucible is about?

Do you know what The Crucible is about?

I really seem to have upset the two of you see if you can counsel each other

You haven't upset me in the slightest, I find you quite amusing.

And i find you incredibly honest, insightful and accurate seeing as we are having a genuine moment of truth here 😉

Oh Junky...... bless you buddy. I think you're a good person.

And i find you incredibly honest, insightful and accurate seeing as we are having a genuine moment of truth here 😉

You can see where his beastly behavior started! 15 years later and he has graduated to touching knees! 👿

I find this thread really amusing. However I am astonished ant the neanderthal attitudes and lack of insight shown by some. Its 2017 chaps - not 1970

My internet is not fast enough to trawl through the whole thread at the mo... has anyone mentioned Kevin Spacey's trip on Jeffrey Epstein's plane with Bill Clinton yet?

(Not that the palace would acknowledge such matters you understand)

Abusers don’t get to play the “I’m sorry card”. I’m sorry does not excuse taking advantage or assaulting if someone nor even an attempt to do so.

Until the vast majority of people understand that friendships and intimate relationships should not have an unequal power dynamic - I don’t think we will see enough change.

has anyone mentioned Kevin Spacey's trip on Jeffrey Epstein's plane with Bill Clinton yet?

Looks like someone has made a complaint to the police now.

About this thread?

About right.

If anyone asks, I didn't post on it. OK?

Spacey is having all his scenes replaced and reshot in his latest movie… Christopher Plummer is his replacement.

Career over?

He probably has enough money to do his own thing if he wanted to, same as Mel Gibson done. Whether anyone would watch it is another thing.

Until the vast majority of people understand that friendships and intimate relationships should not have an unequal power dynamic

Friendships maybe but for rlationships I'm not sure that this is what women always want though - look at the popularity of the 50 shades novels for an extreme example...

Falls back to an appropriate power dynamic maybe, but judging appropriate is the trick.

...look at the popularity of the 50 shades novels for an extreme example...

What would this tell us?

What would this tell us?

that women like sh1t novels/films ?

Look at the popularity of hard core pornography on the internet.

Would would that tell us?

that women like sh1t novels/films ?

Ok fair enough. If it’s that difficult a question. You don’t [i]have[/i] to answer. I was just wondering what point you were making by bringing up the 50 Shades novels.

Look at the popularity of hard core pornography on the internet.

Would would that tell us?

I was just wondering what point you were making by bringing up the 50 Shades novels.

The point was fairly obvious, surprised anyone could miss it.

You’ll have to forgive my stupidity. I missed the obviousness of it. I’m still wondering what it is.

That women's fantasies are actually what they want in reality?

I was just wondering what point you were making by bringing up the 50 Shades novels.

that power dynamics are not always 50/50 in a successful relationship, nor desired to be.

Like I said in the first place - an appropriate power dynamic - but you skipped that point as you thought you were being clever (failed) in trying to establish some sort of power dynamic over me 🙂

And I'm not even suggesting the power dynamic has to be in favour of the man.

Ever noticed how the Lord of the Rings books are disproportionately popular among men?

I think we can take this as solid evidence that what they really want is homo-erotic relationahips with other short, hairy men.

Spacey is having all his scenes replaced and reshot in his latest movie… Christopher Plummer is his replacement.

Career over?

I'd say so. Unless he teams up with Harvey Weinstein and Charlie Sheen to do their own thing.

what they really want is homo-erotic relationahips with other short, hairy men.

I missed seeing those relationships in the films - did they cut them out ?

Like I said in the first place - an appropriate power dynamic - but you skipped that point as you thought you were being clever (failed) in trying to establish some sort of power dynamic over me

It’s an interesting world you inhabit where you would draw that kind of conclusion from a simple question.

You still haven’t answered it but that’s ok. You don’t have to. If you’re suggesting that because women (or indeed men) have sexual fantasies where an unrealistic power dynamic is invoked for the a turn-on, and that that somehow represents what they might desire in real life, then I’d have to disagree. To be fair, it is an opinion I’ve heard a bit since the 50 Shades series became so popular. “Bloody hell, she wants me to share the cleaning and the ironing and be a big dominant tiger in bed at the same time.” So, you’re not alone.

But I dunno, maybe you’re not suggesting that.

I missed seeing those relationships in the films - did they cut them out ?

I haven't watched them, but I can't imagine that 11 hours-worth of magic dwarves and that without even any hairy man-love action to relieve the tedium would have done so well at the box office. Perhaps you dozed off?

That said, I did quite like Stalker, which was essentially 3 hours of some blokes wandering around a field. So maybe I should give LOTR a go

But I dunno, maybe you’re not suggesting that.

I said 50 shades as an extreme example.

Other examples might just be that one partner wants the other to make all the decisions.

Just been out for a few months with a south african lady who was a bit shocked at my level of domestication, she assumed that a man would be looking for a woman to perform maybe all of those chores.

I assume south african men as a lot more egotistical as well as she was a bit disturbed by the fact I am not and thought my recent divorce had given my confidence a good kicking, and it was difficult to persuade her that it hadn't.

I had to cut her loose in the end though - she was too much into 80's music 🙂 (Other difference were apparent...)

I said 50 shades as an extreme example.

I’d have to question why you’d use it as an example at all. Why choose an “extreme” example to demonstrate that there are “unequal” power dynamics in certain relationships where both partners are getting equity and are happy with how it’s all working. That’s just real life and there’s nothing really complicated about it. Why you’d have to use women’s sexual fantasies concerning an artificially unequal dynamic to demonstrate this is what was confusing me. The same person can have a spectrum of fantasies going from clothing right to some pretty dark stuff - but this (the dark stuff) doesn’t translate to how they should be or want to be treated in a relationship.

[i]she was too much into 80's music[/i]

Sounds reason enough.

Spacey is having all his scenes replaced and reshot in his latest movie… Christopher Plummer is his replacement.

Pity he would have been a great Jean Paul Getty.

Future news about the notorious bum-grabber is going to be a schadenfreudering lash-up.

I've just read that Terry Crews has reported a sexual assault, he says a male 'Hollywood Honcho' gropped his privates last year at a party.

TERRY ****ING CREWS, you'd have to be very, very brave or off your nut insane to do that, he looks like he could snap you in half.

Or, just someone in a position of power, taking advantage of it and doing whatever they like.

P-Jay - Member

I've just read that Terry Crews has reported a sexual assault, he says a male 'Hollywood Honcho' gropped his privates last year at a party.

TERRY **** CREWS, you'd have to be very, very brave or off your nut insane to do that, he looks like he could snap you in half.
Posted 13 minutes ago # Report-Post

nealglover - Member

Or, just someone in a position of power, taking advantage of it and doing [b]whatever they like[/b].

I think "whatever they liked" would only extend to the point where 6'3 250lb Mr.Crews decides he's not ok with it. Very very strange.