[Closed] Kennel owner kicked my dog

i would have said something and possibly reported them to the rspca

How do you deal with your dog when he pulls?

If it works and the dog isn't hurt then its a result.

Why is your dog getting really excited / pulling on its lead at a year old? Does it need a firmer hand in training?

If your dog is going to behave and not become a nuisance you've got to assert your position in the pack. That means you've got to teach it that you are the top dog (it doesn't see any difference between you, your family and itself) and if that means treating it a little roughly from time to time (the equivalent of a hard nip) so be it. Never let your dog eat before you and the family. Never let your dog precede you through a doorway and never let your dog sleep in the safest place in the house, your bedroom - it must sleep near the door, in the utility room or even outside in the porch where it will be the one to defend you and the family if an intruder comes.

Dogs are animals - they should not be treated like people.

TJ, you don't kick dogs. Not ever. You dont need 'a firm hand'. You just need to know the right technique.

some of you really are talking shite. kicking a dog is never justified, and its not a way to train any animal.

I can't believe I'm reading some of this bullshit above. Bye.

I love dog threads on here.. they always bring out the very worst sanctimonious attitudes in people..

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Not sure the OP was asking for training advice but sounds like a happy lab at a year old. There's plenty more time for training. My dog and his buddy are pleased to see other dogs and they're well trained, they just love saying hello. Imo its a dog with a bit of personality, so long as he knows where he sits in the pecking order.

If someone kicked my dog though, I'd probably kick him back myself! 😉

Never let your dog precede you through a doorway and never let your dog sleep in the safest place in the house, your bedroom

The OP wrote that it wasn't a hard kick. He and some others are reacting emotionally to the notion of kicking a human, entirely different from a moderate assertion of authority over a dog, which must learn that it is subordinate to humans in the pecking order. If it doesn't, it will become the kind of dog that snarls defensively when there's food around or worse, attacks a child who tries to take away its favourite toy.

TJ knows nowt about dogs shocker.
Was that the headline in the last NOTW?

Why is the bedroom the safest room in the house ?

I feel pretty safe in the bathroom or kitchen.

My dog's not going to be happy about not being allowed in the Panic room.

Love the attacks on me. Did you guys not notice the question marks? MY post was two questions.

Dogs need to be trained, the best trained dogs I have seen have known that the human is boss and occasionally that has had to be reinforced with a clout or the threat of one.

A 1 yr old lab pulls on the lead! Put it down - it will be a childs face next. What a devil dog!

FFS - its still a puppy - it was excited when being collected from the kennels.

I would of kicked the kennel owner if they had kicked my dog.
I thought choker leads were something left behind in 1985?

Was it a proper kick or a firm prod?

There are points where dogs need physical discipline to make a point. They do it themselves to sort things out when a growl doesn't work. But there is absolutely no need to hurt them, just get their attention in a way they understand.

Here's a clue to where you stand in a dog relationship. If your dog is dragging you along on the lead, you're the beta, and the reason the dog doesn't obey your commands is because it doesn't take orders from underlings.

But as santacoops says - if someone kicked my dog, I'd kick him back. 🙂

(I'm relearning all this - currently owned by a 12 week old Great Dane/Wolfhound X pup.)

I'm all up for pack dominance and agree with choke chains as a method of control, but if someone needs to kick a dog in order to assert authority and establish a pecking order, they shouldn't have one. I've had several difficult dogs in my life, and I've never had to kick them to control them.

I'd have a word personally. What do they do when a dog really misbehaves?

TandemJeremy - Member

Love the attacks on me.

If you're going to behave and not become a nuisance, we've got to assert your position in the pack. If that means treating you a little roughly from time to time (the equivalent of a hard nip) so be it.

You know that a good kicking every now and again does you the world of good TJ.

LOL @ Ernie 😆

My six year old springer still pulls but will stop whatever hes doing with a one word command.
Choker chains are un-nessasary.
My dog has never been kicked but has had small rap over his backside to let him know I'm the boss.
When he was a small pup you have to be fairly firm but the main thing is to be consistent and never treat it as an equal. My BiL has a labradoodle which is so badly behaved because they try to reason with it rather than assert their authority, it is higher in the pecking order than their 9 year old daughter which horrifies me.

You HIT your dog? OMG, somebody call the RSPCA.

Seriously though, to answer another question; the bedroom is where the pack (you and the family) sleeps and in dog life is the middle of the pack. Subordinate dogs are not allowed to sleep with the pack, they have to sleep outside in the least safe place where they will be the first to be attacked by an intruder. This means the shed,the garage, the porch or by the back door. Did you ever see a farmer allowing his sheepdogs to sleep in the bedroom?

Some people on here really do lack the ability to think outside their little human box, don't they?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce to you,
the CESAR!!!!!!!!

i give my weimaraner the odd backwards "tap" on back legs if he is pulling whilst walking, never use a choker, well caesar millan does it on tv, his book is a good read,

Just watch few series of Cesar, and dog is sorted. Some kick dogs to take over control but all you have to do is ground offending bastid by it's neck.

I had a physically tough trained German boxer and boy that was a good clown. Never managed to ground or catch him. He was happy to pull me on a bicycle for miles though. Miss that jolly dog.

But yeah, how do you expect to control overexcited dog? Blame yourself for your own stupidity of not providing dogs required excercise. Once their energy drained they behave and do whatever you like them to. Or at least when you do get a dog, research about their breed and choose one accordingly to match yourself. Never understood a lazy person getting Jack Russel and moaning about all antiques it's doing.

.....where they will be the first to be attacked by an intruder. This means the shed,the garage, the porch or by the back door.

I thought it was the leader of the pack what did all the defending and seeing off intruders and challenges to their authority ?

Shouldn't it be [i]you[/i] that sleeps by the back door or in the garage, whilst your much less dominant pet dog sleeps safely tucked-up upstairs in bed ?

Some people on here really do lack the ability to think outside their little human box, don't they?

spot on. animal threads on here always bring out the same anthropomorphic drivel.

still wouldn't let anyone kick my dog though.

Gosh, you know what? Even the best dog in the world gets excited sometimes and pulls on the lead. It's a bit of an over-reaction to kick it though - just like some of the reactions in the thread. I'd be having a stern word.

Tip: If your dog pulls, keep standing in front of it till it sits down, then continue to walk. This can get a bit tedious, but it does work eventually (from experience).

Life is much easier if you have a dog that is obedient through wanting to please you rather than being afraid you're going to kick the shit out of him.

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But yeah, how do you expect to control overexcited dog? Blame yourself for your own stupidity of not providing dogs required excercise. Once their energy drained they behave and do whatever you like them to. Or at least when you do get a dog, research about their breed and choose one accordingly to match yourself. [b]Never understood a lazy person getting Jack Russel and moaning about all antiques it's doing.[/b]
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Given the OP has trouble expressing himself in the written form, we should probably wait out fo a clearer definition of 'kick'. After all, a prod with a foot could be construed as a kick.

problem is most people think that Cesar Milan is helpful and he's not he's very dangerous. The original posters problem is that the dog wasnt trained properly from the start.

No one on here seems to agree with me but dogs are not pack animals and they dont need to be dominated and no amount of walking through a door first can replace a goodreward based training.

dogs are not pack animals

eh?

I haven't heard anyone agree with that, ever! How do you work that out?

After all, a prod with a foot could be construed as a kick.

dogs were once/come from pack animals but domestication [15,000 years ago] and selective breeding has altered much of these instincts.
We are apes they are canines. It does not mean we live like monkeys or dogs live/act like wolves.

wolves are pack animals and behave very different from feral domestic dogs and even the current thinking of a rigid pack heirachy in wolves is largely dicredited as it was based on studies of captive wolves

I haven't heard anyone agree with that, ever! How do you work that out?

They are not pack animals in the same way as Wolves, they will come together though to work as a group but then will separate and go their own way. It's never been particularly proved either way though.

They do listen to Alphas though it's in their nature but this crap about door ways, feeding them first and not allowing them in the panic room is bollocks. I've never ever done that with any of my dogs and never had an aggressive dog in fact they've all been the opposite soft as clarts.

I think it depends on how you define 'pack' animals. Dogs are highly sociable and like others comfort whether it be humans or other dogs.

I think it moves away from the point that kicking a dog is a stupid thing to do.

I think it depends on how you define 'pack' animals. Dogs are highly sociable and like others comfort whether it be humans or other dogs.

That is true, they are social animals for sure though.

LOL!

We tried the going-in-through-the-door first and pretending to eat her food before we fed her thing for a while - TBH, I'm not sure it makes ****-all difference - any of it. She never tries to dominate us or other dogs for that matter.

Reward good stuff.
Ignore bad stuff.

She's not allowed up on furniture or upstairs. We've never had to do anything specific to stop her doing this - so I think it must have been body language/tone of voice when she was a puppy. Fair dues to her though, she has to look at the cats having free reign and she still doesn't try it on.

However...stopping her saying "hello" to someone in the park if she decides she wants to? Bloody nightmare. Thankfully, because she's small, very cute and has a "how could you not love me" face, we get away with it. It would be a different story if she were a "big" dog - we're working on it though. It's getting better.

EDIT: And thankfully, she's not likely to come across TeeJ 🙂

to be honest some one would have to be borderline suicidal to kick my dog for pulling on a lead and i doubt that is what really happend

TBH I've never given actual 'training' much thought. It's all about attitude and showing the dog what is good/bad/acceptable/unacceptable. I have never bothered about the door/food/sleeping arrangement thing as there is no question as to the pecking order in the house.

IME dogs respond much better to praise for 'doing well' than they do to being chastised for any misbehaviour. Tone of voice is usually all that is required.

Should've just shown him the bombers.

IME dogs respond much better to praise for 'doing well' than they do to being chastised for any misbehaviour. Tone of voice is usually all that is required.

Pretty much all I've ever used, the Lab was easy the Border Terriers took/take a bit more telling but as both Borders and Labs are clever dogs they soon learn.

Labs are clever dogs

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Talking of training dogs into a pecking order, we've just brought our newborn boy home this week and our Irish setter found it bizarre at first but he quickly got used to where he stands (or sits!) in the hierarchy.

some of you really are talking shite. kicking a dog is never justified

No, [i]you're[/i] talking shite. I've had to kick a couple of dogs in my time to stop them from attacking me. Swift boot to the face stops a snarling aggressive dog in it's tracks. Not really something I wanted to to, but at the time was the appropriate course of action to prevent injury to myself. They were clearly badly trained dogs which should not have bin allowed out in any open public area without leads.

I don't advocate any actual 'cruelty' to any creature. There's no need for it. But there is a need for discipline in certain situations. Don't sound like the OP is talking about the use of proper force here, just a little tap. Not surprising some folk get all wound up though as usual; stop, think, chill.

Have you seen what dogs do to each other to assert pack heirarchy? I could post pics if you like...

Have you seen what dogs do to each other to assert pack heirarchy? I could post pics if you like...

No doggy porn thanks.

A snarling brute after being disciplined by Elf

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I would of kicked the kennel owner if they had kicked my dog.

Oh please. Have a word with yerself.... 🙄

What if the kennel owner was Chuck Norris?

And it's 'would [i]have[/i]', not 'would [i]of[/i]'. HTH.

When's the Grand Prix on?

It's not just going through doors first, it's everything you've else too that makes the difference.
For instance my dog now understands that it's not allowed to poo on the trail before I have. This means I now have control over which bits of the golf course it shits on.

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Oh please. Have a word with yerself....

What if the kennel owner was Chuck Norris?

And it's 'would have', not 'would of'. HTH.

When's the Grand Prix on?

And it's "[i]been[/i]", not "bin". HTH.

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It does not in any way help btw...

Woody - very cute picture and very funny caption 😆

I've grown up with dogs, had them all my adult life, and worked with them when I was younger. Personally I think dogs can be the bee's knees (and mine are obviously the best!), but I also treat any dog I don't know with a fair bit of respect. If challenged by an aggressive dog then I would repond, but quite often the best way to deal with that type of situation is to back away, give the dog space or a clear escape route.

But most domestic dogs aren't aggressive and don't need to trained by using things like choke chains. And I guess it depends on whether the OP is referring to a 'kick' or a 'tap' (although hands are better than feet for that). Should someone decide to kick my dog in a situation that I considered unnecessary (and I can't imagine any time when that would be required), then I would give then a right earful! (couldn't possibly try and hit anyone - I'm far to titchy 🙂 )

Interesting mix of replies, some of you have interesting views thats for sure.
Our dog has been continually trained since we got him, he is generally very good, but still being very young he does get excited when meeting other dog when on lead, just wanting to play.
As my wife is pregnant, I made the comment about controlling the pulling a little better to save him pulling her.
Whatever you view, hitting a dog is never going to get the correct results when training.

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You just don't expect your dog to get booted in the ribs by some ****ing crazy old woman when you go to pick him up.

Nice dog motorman, collar and head line up nicely but the grass could do with a bit of a trim and a bit of re-seeding is required too.

I can't be bothered to read the whole thread but a few posts in and it reminded me of an article in yesterdays Independent;

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Who could kick a nice looking dog like that. 🙂

We have a 14 month old chocolate lab and he can be hard work. Wants to play with everybody and every other dog. Will come back unless he see's another dog the you've no chance. Its a pain but things are improving but we didn't get him from birth. He's still a pup and as someone said out and about you'll miss his daft behaviour when he's old. Work in progress is how I see it. He ran over to a staffie on the golf course a few weeks ago who was on his lead. The chav on the other end tried kicking scoob but missed so I ran over and invited him to try again 👿

Dogs are animals - they should not be treated like people.

People are animals too, each just needs a bit of understanding to work with. Fairly sure kicking either isn't the right option. And regardless of whether it's right or wrong to do it, as the dog is not his he should be treating it as the owner treats it (assuming the owner doesn't abuse it!).

Earlier this week my mother (68 yrs old) was attacked by a Rottweiler whilst in Southport. The owner was nowhere around*. She got cellulitus as a result of the bite and needed medical attention for 3 days. In response to PPs

you don't kick dogs. Not ever

* no doubt due to not knowing about the attack the owner would think his/her dog is perfect and describe it as 'friendly' and 'it never bites'

It does not mean we live like monkeys

speak for yourself.. 😐

if dog not show lespect - eat him with the sweet & sour.
den - buy new dog that show lespect.

I'd happily see dogs banned, or at least VERY strict control over who has a dog. Too many are abused, too many kept for the wrong reasons and too many are ill controlled and it makes a normal suburban village a hellish kennels-like aural nightmare on a summers day starting at about 6am and ending at about midnight - every sod has their dog out in the garden barking at a ball, barking at other dogs, charging you when you walk past the fence, getting loose and pooing on your lawn. Possibly the most anti-social pet I can think of.

Sometimes the dog gets their own back though!

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Sometimes the dog gets their own back though!

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I'm sorry to say but the chav was in the right. If I had my dog on it's lead and another dog came running up to him I would do the same. My dog has just turned two and I spend 5 minutes everyday training him so episodes like that don't happen. I cannot stand owners of badly trained dogs because they give the owners of well behaved dogs a bad name. If an owner can't control his/her dog they should either keep it on a lead or don't have one at all.

I didn't say he ran over barking and growling in an agressive way just sniffing and playing. Plenty of dogs run over to us when he's on his lead and if they're friendly theres no problem. You have to let them off to run off some energy ( i can't be doing with fat labs ). Thats why I walk him on a disused golf course and not the local park, where there is only really only other dog walkers. He stays on his lead on the park for now.

He ran over to a staffie on the golf course a few weeks ago who was on his lead. The chav on the other end tried kicking scoob but missed so I ran over and invited him to try again

This thread is like the parenting threads in microcosm. People think they know how to deal with dogs and telly you so in simple terms are just lucky in that they have so far not had a dog that didn't respond.

Social animals are not like people. I am fairly convinced that violence does not mean the same to them as it does to us.

And this argument is a bit pointless because we don't know if the kennel owner gave an authoritarian tap with a shoe or attacked him viciously.

ernie_lynch - Member

" TandemJeremy - Member

Love the attacks on me."

If you're going to behave and not become a nuisance, we've got to assert your position in the pack. If that means treating you a little roughly from time to time (the equivalent of a hard nip) so be it.

You know that a good kicking every now and again does you the world of good TJ.

Yes massa

*tugs forelock*

I've kicked a dog so hard in the head, it flopped over KO'd on the floor.

Hopefully it will think twice before attacking someone again.

I have zero tolerance for dogs (and their owners) who can't control them properly.

Wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

Probably upset a few sensitive people now...

Love a good dog thread on STW - if you want pay me I'll kick your dog for you. 😛

Love a good dog thread myself, it's a really good cock-indicator.