kimbers - Member
The whole anti-Semitism nonsense is just another attempt by the blairites to bash Corbs, as the Torys wreck the NHS, you'd think they should be focusing on that
More likely the Tories whipping up their media buddies to find some smoke screen to distract Labour, leaving the majority government to run riot and do what the **** they like, with whatever they fancy. It is back stabbing self promoting politics after all...
They're becoming quite effective at it too.
More likely the Tories whipping up their media buddies
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You might want to watch John Mann's confrontation with Ken and round 2 on the Daily Politics. John did a long interview on the growing antisemitism in labour not long ago too.
I guess he's one of these tories the labour party is infested with.
Mann sounded like a total cock to me. Genuinely angry over a obviously deliberate misunderstanding of 'supporting' in the context.
Believing his own straw man.
More likely the Tories whipping up their media buddies to find some smoke screen to distract Labour, leaving the majority government to run riot and do what the **** they like, with whatever they fancy. It is back stabbing self promoting politics after all...
You credit the Tories with extraordinary powers
They're becoming quite effective at it too.
Really, looks like they have created thier own cluster f@ck on Euorpe too
Mann sounded like a total cock to me.
I agree. He seemed ott in his previous [i]labour is full of antisemites[/i] rants too.
This isn't a tory smear campaign. This is labour self destructing all by itself.
Yup it's the blairites being absolute dicks imho
Can't see why Ken has been suspended. Ok, he has been provocative, perhaps deliberately so, and he has demonstrated a unique interpretation of historical facts, but apart from saying something stupid (nothing unique about that in politics) what exactly has he done wrong? Has he been specifically anti-semetic? If so, I have missed that.
Seems like politics swayed by a baying mob.....
As often in cases like this, one has to look at who's doing the baying and who has most to gain from any stains left after the mud has been slung.
He appeared to be supporting/excusing an MP who had posted something that was anti-Semitic, rather than condemning the post, which even the MP has done now with hindsight.
I don't think what she posted could be considered to be anything but anti-Semitic. If a wannabe politician had suggested that following the Bradford riots all the British Asians should be "transported" to another country as a "solution", they would have been branded racist, even without the additional Holocaust references in this case.
And this is only the latest incident of alleged anti-Semitism in the Labour party. Just when the Tories are ****ing over the country, the Opposition is ****ing over itself. None of them worthy of a sane person's vote imo.
Interesting article about Hitler, zionism and how Ken was factually wrong.
[url= http://capx.co/ken-livingstone-gets-the-history-wrong-on-anti-semitism-and-hitler/ ]http://capx.co/ken-livingstone-gets-the-history-wrong-on-anti-semitism-and-hitler/[/url]
More likely the Tories whipping up their media buddies to find some smoke screen to distract Labour,
As often in cases like this, one has to look at who's doing the baying and who has most to gain from any stains left after the mud has been slung.
Or you could look at which party has members tweeting the following, and ask uncomfortable questions *much* closer to home:
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He appeared to be supporting/excusing an MP who had posted something that was anti-Semitic
True and made a tit of himself in the process - but since when has that been a reason for suspension.
Perhaps he has shown how powerful lazy slurs can be...may be even deliberately demonstrating the fact.
nteresting article about Hitler, zionism and how Ken was factually wrong.
Wasn't *far* wrong was it? They wanted to deport Jews, it's not much of a stretch to think many might go to Israel. Certainly Politicians have got their facts more wrong than that and not been kicked out of the party.
cranberry - MemberOr you could look at which party has members tweeting the following
FWIW, Aysegul Gurbuz denies making those tweets. Easy excuse but if you use social media, you know this happens, and when it does, it tends to be fairly ridiculous OTT stuff like this that gets posted.
But in any case, she's suspended while under investigation, which obviously is proof that Labour are soft on antisemitism. Or something.
Miss Gurbuz denied she had written the tweets and claimed her sister may have posted them, the Mail on Sunday reported.
Hmmmmmmm.
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Wasn't *far* wrong was it? They wanted to deport Jews
And look how that turned out.
Labour are better off without Ken IMO, an accident waiting to happen.
Does she deny writing the tweets like Naz Shah [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/28/naz-shah-labour-anti-semitism-and-a-piece-of-spin-that-will-make/ ]"Made remarks that she doesn't agree with" ??[/url]
So it's the politics of convenience? Look he's a PITA and a bit of a dinosaur (isn't that a requirement) so lets use the anti-Semite card to nail him once and for all - seems to be Khans strategy judging from C4 news clip
Labour are better off without Ken IMO
Agree, but pretending he's a racist isn't a fair way to achieve that.
Labour are better off without Ken IMO, an accident waiting to happen.
No, no, no... Ken is a national treasure like Phil the Greek and Boris.
Or you could look at which party has members tweeting the following, and ask uncomfortable questions *much* closer to home:
As often in these cases...
No, no, no... Ken is a national treasure like Phil the Greek and Boris.
Well, if he's a racist, he's in good company.
cranberry - MemberDoes she deny writing the tweets like Naz Shah "Made remarks that she doesn't agree with" ??
What a strange comment. No, she denies it like a person denying a thing they've been accused of. Accusations don't make facts, that's not how it works in this country.
The investigation might find more of course, which is why you have an investigation. Though apparently having an investigation proves you have a problem, which is a bit of a tricky catch 22 really.
Anyone done this yet?
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Who knows how such a medal came about?
[quote=jivehoneyjive ]Anyone done this yet?
Funnily enough, just you.
Though doubtless many would shy away from such artifacts which help to document history, it's highly relevant to Ken Livingstone's comments...
Who knows how such a medal came about?
Oooooooooh, I'll guess! You know how such a medal came about.
What do I win?
"A Nazi goes (drives) to palestine and tells about it in attack."
No idea how it came about or why Raz and Ken are getting so much flak for speaking out against Israeli attrocities against their neighbours and the inhabitants of the lands they occupy despite UN resolutions.
Because its racist to insult Israel as when you do you are attacking all Jews everywhere....Send him back for conditioning someone .
Its an attempt to label all criticism as racist - Mugabe does the same when anyone [white] criticises him and calls anyone Black who does it an Uncle Tom. Its far better to make the attackers defend their own character than defend the countries hence the lazy attacks.
What do I win?
sadly for you, the internet and all of us a ****ING REPLY 🙄
Its an attempt to label all criticism as racist - Mugabe does the same when anyone [white] criticises him and calls anyone Black who does it an Uncle Tom. Its far better to make the attackers defend their own character than defend the countries hence the lazy attacks.
Oh look, the hypocrite has returned - one of the best examples you will ever see.
of lazy personal attack designed to deflect from the points raised
You seem to be insistent on proving me wrong by doing the very thing i said will happen.
No engagement just insults.
Mann sounded like a total cock to me. Genuinely angry over a obviously deliberate misunderstanding of 'supporting' in the context.
Believing his own straw man.
As our MP - I completely agree, and a huge shame as John Mann is a decent politician.
I'm going to write to him to tell him his views here have damaged his general integrity and don't reflect or encourage debate about the bad shit Israel gets up to.
Maybe not quite in those words.
You should read what Naz Shah wrote in her apology, she sees it - you just don't have the ability for whatever reason - but then accuse people of doing what you do all the time. It been great fun winding you up about it - always best to do that to the pompous.
Heh. I just accidentally googled my way over to jewishnews.co.uk while looking for the full text of her apology, where people are completely convinced she called for the extermination of the jewish people, and that she's a terrorist (not a sympathiser; "organising terror" is the phrase used) 😆 Making STW look completely rational.
Oh yeah, the actual point of that- Shah's apology does not as some people have suggested admit to or apologise for antisemitism. She admits to and apologises for causing offence with her statement and choice of language. The distinction is pretty clear. And at the risk of considering a news site apparently populated by mentalists as a source of opinion, a lot of their subscribers accepted the apology.
Poor old Ken, the press following him around like concentration camp guards again.
I know NW but thought it was unlikely to be well received if i raised that factual point and would have led to more personal insults.
Corbyn also said she gave a fulsome apology
I wonder if he knows what it really means ?
Exactly.. A man in his position is expected to be a little more tactful and a little less obtuse if he's going to drop Hitler references. The man's an idiot and should be sacked.
It shows a very worrying lack of judgment on his part.
people are completely convinced she called for the extermination of the jewish people
1) are you familiar with the legal definition of genocide?
2) are you familiar with the episodes in Jewish history that begin with someone else suggesting that Jews ought to be forcibly moved from here --------> there? They don't usually have a happy ending.
Mefty 😀
Isn't that exactly what ken pointed out mefty?
Her point about rehousing every Israeli in the USA saving them money was probably a valid one though
USA have given Israel $100bn in military aid
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.611001?v=219B6D92D4188A7A59822AA890E8D894
QT: some sense from Burnham after Salmonds convoluted logic
Her point about rehousing every Israeli in the USA saving them money was probably a valid one though
are you familiar with the episodes in Jewish history that begin with someone else suggesting that Jews ought to be forcibly moved from here --------> there? They don't usually have a happy ending.
Isn't that exactly what ken pointed out mefty?
I haven't a clue what you are asking. But frankly I am not sure someone who thinks there is validity in relocating the state of Israel is worthy of a response.
The debate really should be about Israel... why are their constant breeches of international law and UN resolutions not only tolerated but for the most part fully supported by western governments?
