Instant ban
Can't believe I wasted six minutes of life watching that.
I don't get it. Why not just ride on?
To be fair if I wasn’t in a rush I’d have stuck around to see how it went just out of disbelief
There are no winners here.
I don’t get it. Why not just ride on?
Because that doesn't sell newspapers generate YouTube content.
How do you know her name was Karen?
Yeah, both in the wrong there.
Cyclist should just have ridden on, woman shouldn't have kicked off in the first place.
No way would i have stopped and waited for that.
After her opening gambit, my first and only comment would have invited her to ‘get tae falkirk’
Falkirk is a euphemism.
Well that was weird.
Weird indeed. What a dozy woman, calling 999! “e’s gunna put me on youtoob!”
Car pulls up next to me like that, its “**** off” and on with the day. He sounds like a right weirdo.
Problem is with unhinged drivers pulling alongside to have a shout is they could very well work themselves up into some sort of rage and deliberately try to run you off the road.
Had an incident with a group of us holding up a micra, who rev,d engine a b7nch and did a very close pass. To which one of our group gestured (don’t agree with but it’s understandable). Guy slammed his brakes on and made the guy in the front go into the back of his car on a national speed limit road,luckily he’d manage to scrub most of the speed by then. Claimed he needed to do an emergency stop because he wanted to see what the gesture was about....
Wish we’d had a camera in the group for that one. We should have got his plates for causing an accident but everyone was a bit shocked
I just try my best to ignore them, but silence can cause them to start shouting more....
There is a road in southampton, rownhams lane where I’ve had on several occasions drivers pull alongside me and have a rant for not using the shared path. The one with wet leaves / sticks / dogs / children not safe for riding at 25moh one.... I’ve given up and stopped riding that route. Forced to by selfish idiots
Problem is with unhinged drivers pulling alongside to have a shout is they could very well work themselves up into some sort of rage and deliberately try to run you off the road.
This
Had a car pull up next to me to have a go a while back, was two young lads, late 20s, same as me at the time. They had their moan, I just responded ‘piss off and read the highway code’ and carried on. The passenger shouted something back but I saw the driver go quiet, check his mirrors, look at me, check them again then glare at me. I could be wrong but my reading was that he was seriously considering running me off the road, there was something in the way he looked at me
Stay safe out there
Sadly, in this situation after she’d wound her window down to shout at me, I’d have either stopped and had a drink/snack for 5min or turned to an alternate route.
Nothing good ever comes of being on the same piece of tarmac as these folks and no amount of discourse will change their views.
Just stay out of their way.
Problem is with unhinged drivers pulling alongside to have a shout is they could very well work themselves up into some sort of rage and deliberately try to run you off the road.
Yep, had this myself once. BMW driver, looked like the marching powder enthusiast type. Made three passes at me with the window down shouting and growing ever more unhinged until finally beached his car on a grassy verge on an attempt to turn around for the fourth time and ended up chasing me on foot screaming that it was my fault he'd got his car stuck.
As for the dafty in the SUV, I can't honestly say that in the cyclist's position I wouldn't have called her an idiot myself.
There must be a way people ride, behave, respond.. something! that attracts these weirdos. All the years commuting and riding, I can only recall one bloke stopping and getting out of his car to confront me. Funny thing was, apart from his weird way of not looking me in the eye while he was talking, a copper came out of the junction we were stood at and asked what was going on 😆
So yeah, they're out there, but must be easily avoided.
There must be a way people ride, behave, respond.. something! that attracts these weirdos
In the scenario I described above indeed there was - he was trying to pull out of a furniture store car park and I had the absolute audacity to be cycling along the road and thus caused him to slam his brakes on because he didn't check to his right properly.
Why doesn't the film start with the actual incident?
I'm guessing this bloke films all his rides and puts it on YouTube so why isn't the important bit on the film?
I worry that people who film their rides are looking for trouble so they have some content as that makes them money.
Not excusing "Karen" but he got her back up straight away. He could have handled it better but then that wouldn't have got a reaction and wouldn't be interesting.
Personally I try and avoid conflict when I'm on my bike and they are driving a couple of tonnes of metal.
Why doesn’t the film start with the actual incident?
It more or less does, I reckon.
Starts with him on a narrow road, I reckon the actual "incident" that you're looking for is that she appears to have expected him to get off the road and jump over the hedge to accommodate her.
people who film their rides are looking for trouble
Bingo!
people who film their rides are looking for trouble
I don't know - I don't film my rides, but when I was commuting in London I was sorely tempted. Attitude of some drivers was shocking, and the police just weren't interested.
I'm generally grateful that some cyclists are filming, and holding drivers a bit more accountable.
It more or less does, I reckon.
It starts with her pulling along side and starting an argument.
I'd like to see what he did that she was so upset about, he must have recorded it. Would be nice for context
when I was commuting in London I was sorely tempted
Yes, I think if I rode in London I'd probably film too. I guess it just takes one incident to make you think I wish I filmed that. I have a dashcam on my van, I guess it's the same.
I used to think this until I tried riding more miles...
I’ve had:
Insurance scam pedestrians jump out on me.
Dozy Uber Drivers turning left and mounting curb by up to a foot requiring me to bunny hop.
Both could easily turn out worse, experiencing things like that makes me think I should be filming.
Yeah, I've had:
Pedestrians running into me.
Drivers running me off the road (to the extent that they mounted the kerb).
Clipped by countless wing mirrors.
Pushed at roundabouts/junctions (once when I was *obviously* waiting for the ambulance with its sirens on to go around).
Been knocked off and then assaulted.
Various hit and runs.
I mean, that's over 30k commuting miles, the relative rate of incident is pretty low, but yeah - I really get camera usage.
I ride bikes, I commuted by bikes for over six years until furloughed and now working from home. But I just can't be bothered to watch this stuff, six minutes of utter bilge if the first 30s are anything to go by. At least Ronnie Pickering gave us a good laugh.
I’m guessing this bloke films all his rides and puts it on YouTube so why isn’t the important bit on the film?
I understand from twitter that is indeed the case. It would be nice to see what had happened to elicit the "you were rude" comment. Couldn't just have been holding her up could it?
Couldn’t just have been holding her up could it?
I’ve definitely had drivers shout at me solely because the road was too narrow for them to pass me.
I’ve definitely had drivers shout at me solely because the road was too narrow for them to pass me.
When the road is too narrow for drivers to pass me, I usually pull over at a convenient spot. It's not always immediately but I don't like to hold people up.
When the road is too narrow for drivers to pass me, I usually pull over at a convenient spot. It’s not always immediately but I don’t like to hold people up.
Me too. But sometimes a convenient spot isn’t soon enough for drivers.
Honestly, for a cycling forum, I’m kinda shocked that people think that the cyclist must have done something to warrant the reaction.
When the road is too narrow for drivers to pass me, I usually pull over at a convenient spot. It’s not always immediately but I don’t like to hold people up.
That's fine, I have too, but you don't have to and it shouldn't be expected.
I’ve definitely had drivers shout at me solely because the road was too narrow for them to pass me.
Likewise. Some people in life are total ******* many of that subgroup drive on pure statistics.
That lady's journey must not have been very urgent for her to have time to stop and have a chat with the chap on the bike.
There's some shocking driving there though that wants reporting. There's the driving alongside looking sideways and concentrating on an argument instead of actually watching the road while driving on the wrong side of it, there's the mobile phone use too and then the general attitude.
I'm not a big fan of you tube warriors hammering people for the kind of minor (and I emphasise minor) infractions that many of us experience regularly that are an uncomfortable inconvenience rather than life threatening but this kind of entitled half wittery crack on.
people who film their rides are looking for trouble
That’s a kind of victim shaming though isn’t it?
I had an accident a year ago where someone intentionally rammed me. It took a year of stressful wrangling with insurers before I got the payout for my mashed bike. If I’d had a camera, there would have been no debate and the guy would additionally have the criminal record he deserves. So yeah, I wish I had a camera - and I’m certainly not looking for trouble.
We all know there are some arseholes on the roads. If some of them could be brought to justice we’d (us cyclists) all be better off. I love the idea that road ragers might one day need to justify their actions to the police, so as far as I’m concerned, the more cyclists recording and reporting such incidents, the better.
Uploading to YouTube is a different matter, though perhaps that woman (and maybe some of her friends) will see how insane her actions were and make them pause for thought next time. Wishful thinking, perhaps.
All that being said, the guy in the video does sound a bit annoying 😀
That’s fine, I have too, but you don’t have to and it shouldn’t be expected.
I expect it. Just like I expect other motorists to let me out of junctions sometimes (which they don't have to) or to make an effort at doing the reversing on lanes (which they also don't have to). We should expect courtesy and consideration from each other.
If I were driving on a lane and a cyclist held me up for several minutes on some climb, riding past ample opportunity to simply ease off and let me past, I'd be a bit annoyed. Wouldn't you? I wouldn't expect a rider to stop or significantly inconvenience themselves though, even though some have.
I wouldn’t expect them to pull over, especially on a climb. Why should they? If there were a few cars behind me when cycling and on a flat section then yeah, I’d pull over or wave them past when safe to do so if I had adequate sight lines. I don’t think I’ve ever been annoyed or inconvenienced by a cyclist. Cars are pretty comfortable places to be. A weather proof mobile arm chair with music.
Seems the norm in this day and age people just want to be a victim and complain. I guess it gives them kudos on whatever social media channels they contribute. If I were the cyclist I would have just let it lie, if I were the driver I would have just let it lie. Bt if you want to be victim and looking for every opportunity to be one then I guess this video shows how people on both sides can claim they are a victim.
Life is too short, just let it lie and crack on. Just like the dog thread.
Life is too short, just let it lie and crack on. Just like the dog thread.
What an utter load of bollocks
The guy did just that but she had to make the last point and put him at risk with her filming and potential incitement of passing motorists. If we don’t stand up for our rights on the road and just give in the tossers win.
That’s a kind of victim shaming though isn’t it?
Nah, the only person shamed by such a statement is the person who writes it.
It’s just dense, in a number of ways.
The levels of pig thick arrogance in this country are off the charts. Imagine the carnage if British people had guns!
I wouldn’t expect them to pull over, especially on a climb. Why should they?
Because we live together in a society, and a certain amount of being nice to each other is required to help everyone live a happier life. I wouldn't want someone to wait 3 or 5 minutes for me to cover myself in Strava mediocrity, why would I? If you were standing in a supermarket checkout queue and spent 5 minutes choosing a chocolate bar whilst people were behind you, would that be okay too? Or would you go 'oh sorry mate, I'm taking my time here why don't you go through' ? Almost certainly the latter, as would most people - so why do any different whilst cycling?
It is interesting how the rules of politeness go out the window when it comes to cycling. I'm surrounded by Victorian residential streets. Lots of parked cars making it one lane. When two cars approach each other they fall over themselves, flashing away to let the other one through. Try it on a bike and they just drive straight at you, and keep coming. You almost never get let out at junctions when on a bike, yet this is pretty standard when in a car. But, as molgrips says, that goes both ways. Sometimes its polite to let a car go even if you don't have to.
I wouldn’t do that in a supermarket but I wouldn’t automatically let a car overtake me for the sake of a couple of minutes when out on the bike. Equally I wouldn’t expect a cyclist, horse rider or any other slower moving person to do the same for me whilst driving. Tractor drivers can **** off though as they’re clearly doing it on purpose, the bastards.
I wouldn’t automatically let a car overtake me for the sake of a couple of minutes when out on the bike
Why not? How hard is it for you to slow down next to a gate or entrance for a few seconds?
I see two people trying to prove a point. Don't think very highly of either of them.
And the trouble with YouTube is you can edit it to suit your purpose. Why not show the minutes of trundling up a hill with a car stuck behind you as well. He must have turned to look at some point to see where the car was.
FWIW I've always let faster vehicle past on country lanes.
I got as far as “You’ll be on YouTube later.”
Filed under both being dicks.
Nice of him to put the name of the lane on - it shows a load of gate-ways he could have popped into, for what, 5 or 10 seconds maybe. Then off again.
Still - as Drac says - both are dicks.
Filed under both being dicks.
Still – as Drac says – both are dicks.
Please will someone think of the Dicks ☹️
I see two people trying to prove a point. Don’t think very highly of either of them.
sums it up for me, I don't see why he stopped while she was calling the cops, he could've just cycled on past at that point, he clearly just did it for the views on his channel, which sort of makes him as bad as her.
I'm with molgrips 100% on this one, I don't see why any cyclist wouldn't pull over and let a car past if there was no space and you were going to end up holding the car up for a while.
Yes, the cyclist doesn't have to do that, but it's the courteous thing to do.
I do it all the time when puffing up a single lane hill on my mountain bike, takes 10 seconds.
I find the best response to shouty people in cars is absolute silence or at the very most a raspberry.
It's all gone a bit Daily Mail in here.
Hiya,
I pull in, not because I have to, but out of courtesy, besides I don't feel the need for an argument sometimes. This sort of thing is the reason why I avoid roads as much as I can.
The other thing to remember is that angry people do very irrational things I for one like my bike and living in general.
If someone wants to get angry project their anger and frustration at the world in general, it's their problem, not mine.
JeZ
Why not? How hard is it for you to slow down next to a gate or entrance for a few seconds?
You’ve answered the question already. How hard is it for the car driver to hang back for a bit? More than one car and if it was safe then I’d find somewhere to stop and let them by.
She was a dick and I don't think he should have pulled in as he was going a decent speed and the road widened out in less than a minute. He however was also a dick from the point he mentioned YouTube, he escalated it and no one won, next time she'll probably try and squeeze past a cyclist and put them in a hedge rather than admit she was wrong. If hes really interested in sorting this sort of behaviour he should be sending video to the police, not posting on YouTube in righteous indignation. Plus his voice sounded really patronising and entitled but I don't suppose we can hold that against him.
She’s driving on the wrong side of the road and not looking. How can anyone defend her.
Angry and behaving irrational person in 1 ton weapon. There is nothing much cyclist could do but get off the road. If they had continued I could see the driver deciding to apprehend them for the police! I certainly would not have been cycling past the stopped car. (although I would have been tempted to flee the other way when I saw it stopped in the distance).
You’ve answered the question already. How hard is it for the car driver to hang back for a bit?
The local lane to the woods is all uphill and noone can get past unless I let them. It's about 9 mins on a bike and maybe 4 at most in a car. So it's 3 seconds of my time vs 5 minutes of theirs. That's why I pull in.
Then that makes sense in that instance and I would do the same. In 99.999999% of cases though it’s just drivers being impatient and exercising their perceived right to be on the road more than you. In my opinion of course
As ever, It Depends.
If there's a lot of traffic and you're stopping every 10 seconds to let a car past (and losing all your momentum) then it'll take you days to get anywhere. Laudable perhaps but silly, you shouldn't have to be doing that. On the other hand, if you've been blowing it out of your arse for the last 15 minutes and have a tailback to the English Channel then that's a dick move.
But yeah. She was in the wrong to start with but he deliberately escalated it for the clicks. As soon as they start shouting out the registration plate number you know you've got a YouTube vigilante cockbag on your hands.
As soon as they start shouting out the registration plate number you know you’ve got a YouTube vigilante cockbag on your hands.
I don’t agree with this. I shout out reg number when using a camera as I cannot be sure the video has caught it. I don’t post my footage to YouTube it goes direct to the police who occasionally take action. I think your tarring of all helmet carrying cyclists who publish to YouTube as “cockbags” is disingenuous as many of them are simply trying to raise awareness.
Fair. Let me rephrase that.
"As soon as they start shouting out the registration plate number on a video you're watching on YouTube you know you’ve got a YouTube vigilante cockbag on your hands."
If the driver has done something dangerous then it should go to the police, and indeed sticking it up in public could pervert any case there might be. If not then it probably shouldn't be on YT in the first place. If the goal is to 'raise awareness' then they could do that and mute the bit where they're shouting the registration rather than sticking it at the front of the video in inch-high* letters. That's the sort of douchbaggery that leads to angry mobs vandalising houses belonging to pediatricians.
(* - YMMV depending on screen size)
In 99.999999% of cases though it’s just drivers being impatient and exercising their perceived right to be on the road more than you.
For me they always hang back - you don't have a choice on most of these lanes. I make eye contact when they arrive then I signal when I'm going to pull in or point to a spot further up the road. I've never had any aggro at all. On narrow lanes I don't think anyone expects to make progress. What's worse is the 1.5 car width well-sighted ones where drivers are doing 50mph and expect to blast past.
On narrow lanes I don’t think anyone expects to make progress.
I can tell you don't live in Hampshire or West Sussex. 🙂
I do agree with your two way courtesy point generally but that bit above is pure fantasy for us central Southerners. You have to get to something bordering on a narrow bridleway before some folk round here back off a touch.
Same here in Macclesfield. I’ve had cars try and squeeze past on narrow lanes after belting up behind me at way over the speed limit. I’ve even had one man beeping the horn and shouting when I had no way to let him by. I don’t get hassle very often but there are a lot of staggeringly ****ing thick people out there
I find the best response to shouty people in cars is absolute silence or at the very most a raspberry.
Blowing them a kiss seems to confuse them, I find.
I was just hit and run by a tanker (I'm, amazingly, okay). Kinda wish I'd been running a camera.
I'll also pull in, as an impatient driver might pick the wrong time to overtake or might force their way through. And lets face it, people tent to be impatient.
I also do this is the traffic is building up. Pull over and in only a couple of minutes the bulk of the traffic has cleared. It is safe to proceed. OR safer rather. Not that im holding them up, but just too many cars about weaving this way and that, all desperate to get to the next junction.
Ride safe, and to ride safe you make those decisions yourself, not moan later because you didn't want to take the steps that would mean its safer or clearer or whatever.
The cyclist in this vid better be a professional boxer, because his mouth is going to get him into trouble, and it wont be some horsey type, it will be 3 builders after a long day. and no amount of... its on camera.... ive got it on camera.... do you,did you see this camera I've got.... blah blah.... WALLOP.
I can tell you don’t live in Hampshire or West Sussex.
There's a reason for that 🙂
I have had incredible road rides in Hampshire though. Endless empty lanes and beautiful countryside. Just not the part over towards Farnborough.
I had someone today try to overtake me in roadworks. Twice. I then placed my bike in a position to prevent further attempts. The driver probably thought I was being rude.
I wouldn’t do that in a supermarket but I wouldn’t automatically let a car overtake me for the sake of a couple of minutes when out on the bike.
I would and always have done, except if I was on a bit of a down gradient and had a bit of speed, but on the flat, and particularly uphill, as soon as I see an opportunity I’d pull over - why not, it’s thirty seconds or so for me, and on an uphill, it’s a chance for me to avoid coughing a lung up!
I don't see why cyclists with a camera are any different to a driver with a dashcam, I could never be bothered setting up a camera for cycling but if I'd commuted by bike I probably would have.
Unreasonable driver gets hump because not everyone immediately dives/drives/rides into a ditch to get out of HER way.
Cyclist with a bit of a smart mouth has a polite but to the point pop back.
Unreasonable driver is such an arrogant tool they can't let it go.
In those circumstances I think a loud "**** off" would have sufficed as the cyclist's opening gambit.
And she parked on the road rather than the layby 2m earlier?
a mere drop in the ocean of dumbf ery that is the whole video
I have had incredible road rides in Hampshire though. Endless empty lanes and beautiful countryside. Just not the part over towards Farnborough.
Agree. I'm just north of Farnborough, in Crowthorne, and am doing a lot of road mileage at the moment. With GPS head units now, and route plotting on Strava, I can ride 100km + through some amazing countryside without looking to check a map, and see very little traffic. Going clockwise from the South Downs, all the way round to the Chilterns we are very fortunate.
Most drivers are pretty understanding too. From years of commuting, I think those are the most dangerous routes as everyone is in a rush.
Cougar
.......She was in the wrong to start with but he deliberately escalated it for the clicks. As soon as they start shouting out the registration plate number you know you’ve got a YouTube vigilante cockbag on your hands.
cyclist with camera = vigilante (+cockbag)
driver with camera = responsible motorist
the lady lost it with me on the extended drive along side windows down ignoring oncoming vehicles rider didn't escalate that and he didn't invite her to stop further up the road again halting other traffic...as a cyclist in that situation I wouldn't be just riding on in front after the ranty pull in jump out...who escalated?
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C'mon - which one of you was it? I don't recognise the face from the Big Hitters article.
Proper laughing at that video! 😆
C’mon – which one of you was it?
Actually riding a bike? Clearly not an STW regular.
and I am laughing too!
cyclist with camera = vigilante (+cockbag)
driver with camera = responsible motorist
Please see my later clarification post. That isn't what I meant.
That video is funny. Grumpy cyclist and his friend stating the ****ing obvious man 😂