[Closed] just been assaulted

Read this thread, I reckon:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/no-ticket

🙂

Fred's stirring up the usual suspects

Possibly get the coach back home ??

You should have stabbed him in the face.

i was tempted to use my mate stanley i must admit, but being a considerate young man i decided to not escalate it from the already unnecessary escalation to violence from the fat guy! what kinda example was he setting for everyone else on the train?? physically assault people and get a round of applause?

All about the tattoo, innit?
I think I saw some crim who was tattooed and now I think that all tattooed people are criminals or fare dodgers or baby robin killers, made even worse if they're younger.
I fought in the war to maintain freedoms you the right to............

Nice bit of perspective shown there PhilC

maybe if youd have had tried to explain your situation without swearing all the time and generally being a tool there might have been a different outcome 😉

Your mistake was to get on the train in the first place. You should have been a good little consumer and bought an audi, then brimmed it with the tears or iraqi children.

And they have closed the other thread ???

LOL @ the usual muppets on the original thread getting it closed.

Reminds me of the Rock'em Sock'em robots in Toy Story.

Except I think they have better social skills 😉

its not swearing, i was in scotland.... there's no such thing as swearing in scotland. did you not noticed we named our weather system after a scrotum?

Would you have been so agreable if you'd been disabled phil? I hear they can get pretty aggro...

Offer to pay for the ticket instead of lying though your pathetic little face?

Would you have been so agreable if you'd been disabled phil? I hear they can get pretty aggro...

I see you have yet to demonstrate the ability to put together a well-constructed argument.

Your mistake Phil was to shout and swear at the old bloke and adopt a [i]"whit ye gonnae dae abit it"[/i] line that is a very common lead up to a fight (thus allowing the fat bloke to use reasonable force to eject you and protect the fellow passengers).

If you'd just kept it civil and argued your case politely and calmy then it would have all been sorted out and you would have got to see your nan.

😀

i've got a childs face.... care to revise your comment dezzy? 😈 careful now 😛

So it could have been a CHILD'S FACE 😯 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reading the closed thread - it amazes me how people get so passionate about a little internet debate! 😯

"never in the field of internet fora have so many threads been closed by the argumentative nature of so few."

Winston Churchill, 2011

ransos - Member

Would you have been so agreable if you'd been disabled phil? I hear they can get pretty aggro...

I see you have yet to demonstrate the ability to put together a well-constructed argument.

my nan fought (in the war) and died (whilst i was being held down by a fat scottish bloke) for your right to say that GrahamS

Is there a problem here?

Reading the closed thread - it amazes me how people get so passionate about a little internet debate!

I'm amazed people claim to care so much about petty fare dodging. The same people are no doubt quite happy to habitually break the speed limit, or jump the lights.

It's not a little internet debate, it's their opportunity to show the whole world how great they are.

"never in the field of internet fora have so many quotes been made up by so few."

Michael Jackson, 2011

Now who's making insults. Have a laugh, please

It's not an insult, it's an observation. When you have learned the difference between the two, you may be closer to making a well-constructed argument. 😉

Wouldn't it'd've been great if Scottish Dappy had smacked him in the nuts?

Of Phil, forgot to say, Nice Hat!

just been assaulted

Call that being assaulted, I've seen rougher treatment from Grandparents to children, you soft wee shite 😉

Seriously, if you call that assault, you have led a very sheltered life, as that was closer to being touched up, than beaten up.

ransos - Do you really not understand why the other thread was closed? 🙄

Just to pull it back to the OP for a moment:

i'm furious, what should i do??

Think of a better strategy in case it happens again. Move on. Possibly to Swinley, where I will see you if it's on a Saturday...

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no fighting on my thread.

Rich - hope you dont think i'm being serious? its still technically assault but you're correct, its not exactly being picked up by your neck and thrown over a table.

ohh what time saturday mr whoppy?

I wish i had never posted that bloody video!!

[i]I wish i had never posted that bloody video![/i]

Are you new here?

ransos - Member

Now who's making insults. Have a laugh, please

It's not an insult, it's an observation. When you have learned the difference between the two, you may be closer to making a well-constructed argument.

Taken from the East Midlands Trains website "Fare evasion costs the rail industry £200 million a year"
How much would our train tickets cost us if that figure was reduced? Perhaps next time scum will think twice about not buying a ticket? Also why should ordinary fare paying passengers be forced to subsidise the non payers?
Your previous argument about speeding isn't really relevant, as I cant see that if I sped by 1mph that it costs other road users anything?

ransos - Do you really not understand why the other thread was closed?

Yes: some people got very angry when asked some perfectly civil questions.

its still technically assault

is fare dodging a crime? if so it's not assault due to the fact that as a member of the public you have a duty to make an attempt to stop a crime if you see it in progress this includes using reasonable force. you could actually be prosecuted if you do nothing - similar to aiding and abetting.

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[i]Yes: some people got very angry when asked some perfectly civil questions.[/i]

Like where's your ticket sonny?

i'm furious, what should i do??

Hope someone has posted the incident on youtube, find it, then get the big man arrested for assault.

I'm with Elfin and TJ on this one! Why was the other thread closed then?

my nan fought (in the war) and died (whilst i was being held down by a fat scottish bloke) for your right to say that GrahamS

She must have made an amazing recovery for you to be visiting her in hospital then 🙂

Why was the other thread closed then?

cos of the same arguments that are starting to develop on this one 🙁 which i hope the mods will remember i started this before the other one was closed not in response to the other one being closed.

do you get a ban if you start a thread that gets locked? 🙂

It was put down because that was the kindest thing for it and the posters on it.

Won't somebody think of the posters?

No, but you get locked if you start a ban that gets threaded.

Of course the winking smily makes it ok to say what you like doen't it.

Taken from the East Midlands Trains website "Fare evasion costs the rail industry £200 million a year"
How much would our train tickets cost us if that figure was reduced?

Your previous argument about speeding isn't really relevant, as I cant see that if I sped by 1mph that it costs other road users anything?

Speeding poses an increased risk to other road users, and is illegal.

FWIW I think Phil deserves a ban for starting this deliberately provocative thread 🙂

i haven't been banned for aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages, not since the pole dancing video of my friend.

the mods let me say BOOBIES and everything now, cos i pay their wages 😆

Fare evasion costs the rail industry £200 million a year"

That money could be spent on safer level crossings. Won't someone think of the children.

Waiting for the Big Man to eject mr consequence from the forum... OFF!!!! 🙂

I can't believe this actually happened.

I seem to recall last time I took the train, you get the two tickets, one out the other back..
So either you showed him the wrong ticket.

Or this is just a wind up.

ohh what time saturday mr whoppy?

Dunno mate, you're the organiser. When's the next one?

Phil - you got a link to that pole video? I need to show the Mrs.

you can't [s]touch[/s]ban me, thats assault

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EDIT - that was ages ago yeti, she just put up some more photos and is teaching but think she's based mainly out in south africa now. have sent her a message asking for a link to the vid for you

ahhh i thought you were going to be down there this saturday mr whoppy! not organising another one til the sun comes out again 😀

[b]innapropriate[/b] Speeding poses an increased risk to other road users

I'm quite impressed that we managed to have [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/why-are-you-atheists-so-angry ]a 1304 post thread about religion[/url] without any major falling out or banning, but only managed 72 posts about [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/no-ticket ]fare dodging[/url] before it went nuclear 😀

Be proud!

clearly it's the posters not the subject. 8)

[u]Some[/u] of the posters!

Speeding can actually save lives.

FTFY

Speeding is always illegal and always poses an increased risk to yourself and to other road users.

It's interesting that minor illegal activity you commit is ok, but minor illegal activity committed by someone else is beyond the pale.

It's interesting that minor illegal activity you commit is ok, but minor illegal activity committed by someone else is beyond the pale.

It's not the activity - it's the attitude and follow up.

Here's a little test: do some modest speeding and when stopped by a traffic officer try being calm, polite, reasonable and apologetic.

Now repeat the test, but this time try shouting and swearing at the officer, refusing to get out of the car and asking him what he's gonnae dae abit it.

I'm pretty sure you'll find that the second scenario lands you in the back of a police van more often than the first.

Is that fair?

I never said that speeding is ok, but the general attitude to speeding is wrong. Innapropriate speed is far more dangerous than just exceeding the speed limit. I can show you plenty of roads that legally you could do 60mph, but you wouldn't consider doing 30mph on them. Also if you're on the M40 a 2pm on a clear dry summers day with an empty road is it inherently MORE dangerous to do 90mph than do 70mph (assuming the car is in a good state of repair etc)? Why?
Im not suggesting that speeding is right, but rather than just driving at the speed limit people should consider what is THEIR safe speed.
Also I assume you've NEVER broken the speed limit ever?
Fare evasion is theft, plain and simple. Are you suggesting that shop lifting is therefore also minor and its ok to turn a blind eye to that as well??

is it inherently MORE dangerous to do 90mph than do 70mph (assuming the car is in a good state of repair etc)? Why?

Yes. Of course. If anything goes wrong, it's inherently more dangerous because you're going faster. Any car can get a puncture for example. You're also more out of step with the traffic speed-wise than if you're doing 70 (at least when I drive on m'ways, the average seems to be 75-80mph). You've also got less time to react if anyone in front of you does something stupid...

Of course, the sensible question is how significant is that difference in danger?

Here's a little test: do some modest speeding and when stopped by a traffic officer try being calm, polite, reasonable and apologetic.

Your test wouldn't work, for the simple reason that no traffic officer would ever stop you for exceeding the limit by 1mph. Which kinda proves my point about one kind of minor infringement being socially acceptable, but another is not. In any case, the analogy is a false one because a ticket inspector is not a policeman.

Innapropriate speed is far more dangerous than just exceeding the speed limit.

Also if you're on the M40 a 2pm on a clear dry summers day with an empty road is it inherently MORE dangerous to do 90mph than do 70mph (assuming the car is in a good state of repair etc)? Why?

Yes. Did you not pay attention in physics lessons?

Also I assume you've NEVER broken the speed limit ever?

Fare evasion is theft, plain and simple. Are you suggesting that shop lifting is therefore also minor and its ok to turn a blind eye to that as well??

In the midst of your frothing indignation, you seem to have missed that I proposed a course of action: phone the transport police and let them deal with it. Perhaps you could explain how that is turning a blind eye?

Show me a car that has a speedometer thats accurate to 1mph first. The speed limit cannot be enforced with a 1mph accuracy because nobody's speedo is that accurate. Hence why most cars manuals have accurate to +/- n% mph in there somewhere.

Show me a car that has a speedometer thats accurate to 1mph first. The speed limit cannot be enforced with a 1mph accuracy because nobody's speedo is that accurate. Hence why most cars manuals have accurate to +/- n% mph in there somewhere.

By law, speedometers must not under read. Therefore, the speed limit can quite easily enforced to 1mph. In any case, ignorance is no defence.

[b]innapropriate [/b]Speeding poses an increased risk to other road users

I think someone might be taking the pee

"Fare evasion costs the rail industry £200 million a year"

How does someone sitting on a train cost the industry money?

In the midst of your frothing indignation, you seem to have missed that I proposed a course of action: phone the transport police and let them deal with it. Perhaps you could explain how that is turning a blind eye?

Whilst not wanting to get into any pointless debate on the hypocrisy or merits of law-braking, I suspect phoning up the transport police may be as effective as phoning up the regular police if you see someone speeding.
One of the possible advantages of direct action is that the more people that publicly intervene (in a proportionate manner) on whatever crime is being committed then maybe people might be less willing to commit it the crime in the first place as it no longer comes with complicit acceptance of their surrounding peers.

I don't think it had even been established that the OP was attempting to evade fare before the vigilante decided to administer justice in the form of common assault.

Rich - hope you dont think i'm being serious? its still technically assault but you're correct, its not exactly being picked up by your neck and thrown over a table.

I did realise that you weren't actually the bloke in the youtube clip 😉

It would appear the fare dodger is about 19/20 and a bit of a numbnut, (gets drunk and wants to fight with everyone).So it probably won't be the first or last time he meets a big man

"Fare evasion costs the rail industry £200 million a year"

How does someone sitting on a train cost the industry money?

Because they have mass.

[i]How does someone sitting on a train cost the industry money?[/i]

Because they have mass.

Well no wonder you get the Protestant / Catholic frictions!

But actuall, I doubt the extra weight would account for the 'loss'

IanMunro - Member
Whilst not wanting to get into any pointless debate on the hypocrisy or merits of law-braking, I suspect phoning up the transport police may be as effective as phoning up the regular police if you see someone speeding.
One of the possible advantages of direct action is that the more people that publicly intervene (in a proportionate manner) on whatever crime is being committed then maybe people might be less willing to commit it the crime in the first place as it no longer comes with complicit acceptance of their surrounding peers.

Analysis of behaviours during the recent [s]riots[/s] looting spree indicated that many of the culprits decided just to "go for it" as the police were seen to be completely ineffective, partly because they didn't have the numbers to stop, charge. arrest, detain all of the looters. In the one or two areas where the local shopkeepers made it clear they would deal sternly with any transgressions, the looters knew to keep well away.

I don't think it had even been established that the OP was attempting to evade fare before the vigilante decided to administer justice in the form of common assault.

He was trying to pass off a Single in the other direction as a valid ticket.

I suppose that [i]could[/i] have been a genuine mistake - but his attitude rather suggested otherwise.

After that he claimed he didn't have any money to buy a ticket, so he was asked to leave the train. (bear in mind this exchange had obviously been going on long enough for someone to start filming it).

The "vigilante" asked if the ticket inspector needed a hand then assisted the lad off the train with a light physical warning.

I didn't see anything I'd personally consider "assault".

CharlieMungus - Member
How does someone sitting on a train cost the industry money?

Edit: I've just realised that wouldn't work as someone has to pay for the train service.

How about the very first person to get on the train has to pay the cost of the whole journey and everyone else gets it free?

Not free!! Elfin and Ransos will be along presently to tell us we should buy tickets for them as its the only civilised response.