Jeremy Corbyn

I'd be interesting in reading that opposing view 5thElefant - do you have any article links?

Functioning Democracy?

isnt it just us that have 26 free spots for Bishops in parliament

oh wait Iran does that too, so we are in good company

I'd be interesting in reading that opposing view 5thElefant - do you have any article links?

I find it hard to believe you've missed this. Tories needing more votes than labour to gain a majority has been accepted wisdom for years.

I'll let you do the googling.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/electoral-bias/

Tories needing more votes than labour to gain a majority has been accepted wisdom for years.

True. The system is so stacked against the tories that they are proposing to correct this grave injustice by bringing in PR. Oh wait..

Functioning Democracy?
isnt it just us that have 26 free spots for Bishops in parliament
oh wait Iran does that too, so we are in good company

But bracketing the UK (and Scotland in particular, with free and contested local, Scottish, UK and European elections) with Iran is just self-evidently silly.

We don't even need the ridiculous anachronism of the HoL to have shoddy democracy in this country:

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/the-moment-18-mps-in-a-committee-most-people-have-never-heard-of-axed-maintenance-grants-for-england-a6814151.html

I'll let you do the googling.

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Not so sure on that one - not that I agree with the outcome- but committees have to make some decisions and the party in power has the power in the committees as well so sometimes its just done to make the whole thing happen quicker. Had parliament debated this we would have the same outcome as the tories are in charge there as well.

In this case they seem to have abused this process to pass unpopular legislation on the quiet. I am sure all Govts have done this and that is questionable.

Borders based on any kind of political leaning seems completely ridiculous to me.

I can't see how anyone could argue there aren't too many of them, so getting rid of some can only be good. I'd keep 100, and get rid of the lords, the scottish parliament, the welsh assembly, whatever the irish ones called and go back to unpaid counsellors. We could all have our own personal nurse with the money saved.

You cannot remove the Irish or the Scottish one without major issues surfacing. Which are you most keen an outbreak of the troubles in Ireland or more pushing for Scottish independence?

Yeah, I know, we're stuck with a cobbled together mess with endless pointless hangers on be paid to do nothing useful. Come the glorious revolution... *

*and we're back on topic.

go back to unpaid counsellors.

Why?

Why?

MPs used to be unpaid on principle but then they realised it favoured the independently wealthy since they could afford to do the job unpaid.

Plus the MEPs ffs! Too many 'members'

What's Corbyn's pitch going to be in Scotland ? Is he going to take on the SNP head on on their record in government ? Moaning about the Tories isn't going to het him very far up there,

What's Corbyn's pitch going to be in Scotland ?

Well I guess it'll be something along the lines of labour being the real anti-austerity party, as opposed to the SNP who talk big, but deliver much less. It's a pretty obvious line of attack, but I wonder if in addition to this, an argument that labour are much better able to deliver real change for Scotland by combining the economic and political power of Scotland and the North of England. He could for instance embrace the Northern Powerhouse concept and propose including Edinburgh and Glasgow, forming an economic and political alliance to deliver economic prosperity combined with social justice and fairness. Just an idea....

What's Corbyn's pitch going to be in Scotland ?

scotroutes - Member

What's Corbyn's pitch going to be in Scotland ?

SNP baaad

Put them Scots to hard Labour? Get it? Hard Labour! 😆

I suspected Corbyn's tactic might be to continue being decent and nice to juxtapose the Tories' political posturing, and hope it exposes them in the eyes of the public.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/27/cameron-bunch-of-migrants-calais-pmqs-holocaust-memorial-day?CMP=fb_gu ]Seems like the first part is working at least.[/url] Dave seems to be getting uglier and uglier as time goes on which is interesting as he started of by trying to look like Mr Nice.

Gradually the cabinet is disappearing for PMQs, and other debates. In the chamber but not on the front benches. For those that think Corbyn is ineffectual, how do you explain this?

I have no idea what you're talking about I'm afraid. Could you explain? Cabinet disappearing? What's this got to do with Corbyn?

Corbyn has been putting the boot in a bit more lately.

Good.

a slipper surely- this is the nice new world of politics, remember?

He doesn't need to call them arseholes, he can just be decent and wait for them to make arseholes out of themselves.

Amusing tete-a-tete between Rees-Mogg and Dave today!

He doesn't need to call them arseholes, he can just be decent and wait for them to make arseholes out of themselves.

Labour Election Strategy, 2010-15

Implemented poorly though that time!

dazh - Member
I have no idea what you're talking about I'm afraid. Could you explain? Cabinet disappearing? What's this got to do with Corbyn?

Disappearing as in not on the front benches but 'hiding' during PMQs, having junior ministers answer questions during debates about flagship policy while their bosses hide somewhere in the chamber. Why?

Having Labour communist as a leader is really dated. You lot really need to think of something new to argue or to rebel rather than living in the bubble utopia.

Stop saving the world! 🙄

Start a nuclear war ... reduce human population to 1/4 of it's original size then you shall have your utopia.

I mean on the one hand you don't like competition but on the other hand you want to save the world ... c'mon ... obvious is obvious.

Increase population leading to no competition? Ya, you lot haven't thought through the process have you? 😆

having junior ministers answer questions during debates about flagship policy while their bosses hide somewhere in the chamber.

I see you're suggesting that Corbyn has turned the labour party into such an effective parliamentary force that ministers are sending out cannon fodder to reap the whirlwind? An interesting theory. I have no real opinion as I don't really watch parliamentary debates or PMQs but I'll take your word for it 🙂

Breakfast in the People's Democratic Republic of Laos and a STW political thread. Perhaps I am seeing first hand the sort of utopia Corbyn has in mind 🙂

Increase population leading to no competition? Ya, you lot haven't thought through the process have you?

Corbyn is sending junior ministers to PMQ's in an attemkt to "disrespect" PMQ plus he's not very good at it, no energy

Corbyn is sending junior ministers to PMQ's in an attemkt to "disrespect" PMQ plus he's not very good at it, no energy

How could anyone not like Jc? He's the finest comedy character since Mr Bean.

The finest comedian since 5thElefant.

he's not very good at it, no energy

Maybe the points he raises should be more important than his style?

You couldn't sound more vacuous if you tried, jam.

jambalaya - Member
Breakfast in the People's Democratic Republic of Laos and a STW political thread. Perhaps I am seeing first hand the sort of utopia Corbyn has in mind

Don't you be ruining his tabloid rants with facts...in jmabyland using facts is like cheating.

I think you'll find it's Cameron that wants the UK to be a Chinese client state like Laos has been

Don't you be ruining his tabloid rants with facts...in jmabyland using facts is like cheating.

😆 JC's comedy act is spreading to his comrades

"If all else fails - sneer"

- How to be a Tory by D Cameron.

He showed the ugly side to his personality, he looked tired and angry (and sneery)

Doesn't matter; won't get reported (widely). However if Jeremy Corbyn so much as accidentally steps on a snail, there will be headlines and opinion pieces about his animal cruelty and rank hypocrisy galore. We get the politicians we deserve, I fear.

He showed the ugly side to his personality, he looked tired and angry

Who, Corbyn?

I think most of his supporters, and a lot of the left would like him to get just a bit angry!

No no Cameron. Corbyn is a hunk I'd never describe him as ugly!

Yes I thought it would be good to see Corbyn go for the jugular a bit more but I'm starting to think what he does in PMQs works. His new politics thingy. It just shows the Tories as angry and sneery. "you might think its funny but Martin who wrote to me doesn't" etc.

Yes. I wouldn't want him to go for 'the jugular' cos that implies a personal attack. Just show himself to be as angry as the rest of us are about the injustice.

He doesn't need theatrics, just tell it how it is.

Well I still think he's doing a marvellous job.

It's interesting that the main people who think he's doing a crap job are the tories or blairite labour MPs and their media friends. I've yet to come across anyone I know who voted for him who is majorly displeased with his performance. In fact pretty much everyone I speak to recognises that he's quietly getting on with the difficult job of reorganising the labour party so that it can address the huge challenges of the future, by turning it into a broad based democratic movement which is not in hock to either corporations, the unions, oligarchs, billionaires, or whoever else.

Junkyard - lazarus
Don't you be ruining his tabloid rants with facts...in jmabyland using facts is like cheating.

Hellooo! (as in the tone of the IT Crowd Irish bloke pointing at the model face ... )

What's up Junkyard?

ctk - Member
No no Cameron. Corbyn is a hunk I'd never describe him as ugly!

Crikey there is something wrong about that description I find difficult to pin point ... not sure if it is JC(not Jesus Christ) or the person who describes JC(not Jesus Christ) ... hmmmm ... 😯

I wonder what will happen if JC(not Jesus Christ) asks his supporters to jump from a tall building to show their love for him ... you know like the snake bloke in Conan the Barbarian film ordering the woman to jump ... "... that is power ...!" 😆

Obvious is obvious! 😛

It's interesting that the main people who think he's doing a crap job are the tories or blairite labour MPs and their media friends. I've yet to come across anyone I know who voted for him who is majorly displeased with his performance

Yes. There's huge gulf between those who want a player of the game, and those who want someone to stand up and do the right thing.

Yes. There's huge gulf between those who want a player of the game, and those who want someone to stand up and do the right thing.

The shortest suicide note in history?

The shortest suicide note in history?

You don't get it at all do you?

You don't get it at all do you?

You dont get much do you 😉

Its not hard is it

other folk are left wing and they like the way this left winger does things

other folk dislike immigrants and like what Nigel does

All this thread is, and has been for ages, is just folk repeating that they don't like Corbyn- what he has done this wee is irrelevant he is not going, nor is he trying, to win over rabid right wingers/ true tories any more than Dave is going to win my vote.

FWIW i remain on the fence he has not had enough time to make a definitive call and he seems to be finding his feet after a rocky start. I dont think any other view is supported by facts as it is just too early to tell.

It's not that bit I don't get.

It's the [i]we know he'll lose but he's doing the right thing[/i].

That. I don't get.

Well, two things:

1) It's not clear he'll lose, just yet. There's a long way to go to the next election. He clearly has appeal.

2) A huge number of people haven't had a candidate they actually believed in or wanted to win for many years.

Thank goodness no one gives any credence to polls anymore

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/19/corbyn-rating-fall/

Well, two things:

1) It's not clear he'll lose, just yet. There's a long way to go to the next election. He clearly has appeal.

2) A huge number of people haven't had a candidate they actually believed in or wanted to win for many years.

I'm still not hearing any optimism.

It's not that bit I don't get.

It's the we know he'll lose but he's doing the right thing.

That. I don't get.

Until then i cannot help explain the view that no one has said.

FWIW they may know he is currently losing but hope/want/wish for his approach to work. As i said there has not been enough time to be certain either way.

Just been done. You need to take molgrips off your ignore list.

you need to start using quotes that make the point you are not getting.

only chewkw is on my list and molly is nowhere near getting on it.

You might if this is how you "debate" 😉

we know he'll lose but he's doing the right thing.

That. I don't get.

You remind me of people at my work who change their vote depending on who they think they'll win this time. Here's a clue, some of us don't see politics as a sport where the only thing that counts is winning at all costs. Can you really not understand that?

Its not complicated. I don't want to vote for a Labour Party who are just the same as the Tories.

Ever the optimist I think whoever the Tories elect to lead next election will be not as electable as CMD.

Junkyard - lazarus

you need to start using quotes that make the point you are not getting.

only chewkw is on my list and molly is nowhere near getting on it.

You might if this is how you "debate"

On your list? Crikey is that a hit list? 😯

Or is it because you cannot answer my question (You said that you are not English so what are you? I am still waiting for your answer.) or is it because your logic does not make sense? Or are you trying to be manipulative with irrelevant "facts" to enhance propaganda value?

Some said I got you with that one simple question ... it's not a trap you know but rather trying to know your answer that's all. Fact.

So far you have advocated ...

Centralised EUSSR, one big EU family, "underprivileged" get feed free, save the world (song in the background), oh look we need equality coz my religion says so, right wing is evil (naive little piggy trying to break Dear Leader Mao's record), multiculturalism is good (ya, you eat bacon and bow to me coz in my culture you need to respect that!) etc etc ... where to start ...

The concept of large organisation without bureaucracy in the EU club? ... wtf! I mean what a delusional utopian to consider that possibility 😆 ... You are like fish out of water aren't you. Who taught you otherwise? Seriously out of your depth and anyone who think otherwise I would like to hear from them ...

Do you have identity issue? 😛

I mean obvious is obvious innit!

I see you coming and I told you so. 😆

Cameron amd Osbourne want to do business with one of the worlds largest and most influential economies, if they where smarter they would introduce controlled immigration and encourage super smart and hardworking Chinese to come to the UK to boost our economy.

Saw this morining, perfect Corbyn transport solution;

Cheap (85p per trip)
Customer staff ratio 1 for 1 to boost employment
Ecologically sound
Keeps the Red Flag flying

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Must search out the EU thread, referendum could be just 140 days away, vote has to be before next tsunami of immigrants comes to Europe and before 2017 so as not to scupper German elections

*sigh*

Chewkw - you're on his ignore list; you understand what that means, no?

Ever the optimist I think whoever the Tories elect to lead next election will be not as electable as CMD.

Good point. Cameron's not a vote gathering machine of Blair's calibre, but he's good, and almost certainly better in vote winning terms than anyone in the running to replace him.

Is still don't think it will be enough. The Labour Party have consciously walked away from all the votes, and I don't think it's been about "doing the right thing" at all - e.g. is the idea of running Trident without warheads for the good of the country, or for the good of the labour party?

Cameron and Osbourne want to do business with one of the worlds[s]largest and most influential economies[/s] most repressive regimes in the world with a terrible human rights records- actually to be fair they want to do business with all the really shit regimes- see also Saudi. if they [s]where smarter[/s]had any morals they would [s]introduce controlled immigration and encourage super smart and hardworking Chinese to come to the UK to boost our economy[/s]not be selling things like our nuclear power plants to a regime like this.

TBH i assume most people/almost everyone is not comfortable with this and I assume almost no one will suggest it shows their brilliance. What is shows, like you, is that you value money above things like morality, principles and doing the right thing.

vote has to be before next tsunami of immigrants

I like the way your posts argues for immigration and against it in the same post. An appeal to your own authority would have earned you higher marks but a generous 7 for the effort,

Chewkw - you're on his ignore list; you understand what that means, no?

His posts are incomprehensible gibberish. I suspect that one was.
Jamby only avoids it because his posts are often hilarious.

I'm still not hearing any optimism.

I honestly don't know if it'll work or not.

But that does not stop me voting for him. How's that for optimism?

I'm still not hearing any optimism.

Why is optimism required to vote for him/labour? Your comment suggests that voting for someone who you think might not win is somehow wrong or stupid. Like I said, it's not a sport. Surely you understand this?

If no-one votes for who they want because they think that person might not win, then the whole concept of democracy is totally buggered, isn't it?

squirrelking - Member

*sigh*

Chewkw - you're on his ignore list; you understand what that means, no?

A bit like Michael Jackson saying, in his voice, "They are ignorant, they are ignorant!" ... yes?

Are you ignorant yourself? If not why do you think so?

Junkyard - lazarus

Chewkw - you're on his ignore list; you understand what that means, no?

SIGH - you expect rational and logical behaviour from chewkw

His posts are incomprehensible gibberish. I suspect that one was.
Jamby only avoids it because his posts are often hilarious.

Rational and logical from a person who cannot even answer me a simple question?

Ya, I see you coming and I told you so.

Lefties ... 😆

Tactical voting is the practice of blithering morons and is the antithesis of our so called democracy..

It should be a criminal offence

He's so quiet now that I think he's in danger of becoming an irrelevance. If this was a rugby match the possession stats would be stacked in the Tories favour, with every hit slowly weakening the Labour defence. The split Labour dressing room hampering their ability to take the fight back to the opposition.

Well that is exactly how it would read in the Tory fanyboy weekly editorial you write

I am sure jamby will approve - though he will be upset you did not say quiet and old

He's so quiet now that I think he's in danger of becoming an irrelevance.

Only if you're a political hack who has column inches and airtime to fill. Whilst you lot obsess about irrelevant point scoring on the news, he's getting on the with the job he was elected to do. Which is preparing the labour party for future elections by transforming the tired old new labour-formula of managerialism and playing the percentages into something that people can again believe in.

Has any one told him that?

I think they tried but they have not been patronising enough to him yet for him to get it

Are you free later to have a go ?

encourage super smart and hardworking Chinese to come to the UK to boost our economy.