Jeremy Corbyn

If Corbyn's in without the support of his MPs then Labour will just spend the next couple of years in an internal mess trying to oust him instead of doing their job of being a proper opposition

Part of Corbyn's huge appeal in the leadership election was precisely because he wasn't seen to be part of the parliamentary elite, which quite frankly are held in very low esteem by the British public these days.

The more the Parliamentary Labour Party lined up to express their opposition to Corbyn the greater his credibility and greater the respect he earned.

However I will always remember something which John McDonnell once said during a meeting in which there was a discussion on the possibility of a change in the ideological direction of the Labour Party.

He suggested that it might not be quite as difficult as some imagined. He claimed that Tony Blair was quote, "an ideological airhead" and that Gordon Brown was the brains behind New Labour, a fair comment imo.

But he also stressed that his parliamentary colleagues were in the main likewise ideologically rudderless and would simply follow whoever was leader, eg, if a left-winger became leader they would quickly rediscover their socialist roots/credentials.

Also probably a fair comment on the career non-conviction politicians which have come to dominate the Parliamentary Labour Party.

So talk of 'an internal mess trying to oust him' is probably an exaggeration.

BTW if anyone is interested John McDonnell will be on the panel of BBC's Question Time tomorrow.

And this is an interesting article imo, it might surprise a few people who only heard of John McDonnell for the first time a few days ago and have had to rely on the Tory dominate press for information :

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/ive-known-john-mcdonnell-for-30-years--heres-what-hes-really-like-10500246.html ]I’ve known John McDonnell for 30 years – here’s what he’s really like[/url]

Literally every part of the voter base chose him, overwhelmingly.

Farage is overwhelmingly popular with the UKIP core electorate, how useful was that at the general election?

Plan:A = Sing your heart out and cross your fingers in you pockets

Non Subject anyway, the CIA will "John Smith" him off, long before the election

"Literally every part of the voter base chose him, overwhelmingly".

Farage is overwhelmingly popular with the UKIP core electorate, how useful was that at the general election?

If you paid attention ninfan you would have realised that Northwind's comment was made with reference to brooess's suggestion of possible internal opposition within the Labour Party to Corbyn's leadership.

Of course you probably knew that ninfan but was simply trawling through posts looking for points to score. I suspect that misrepresenting Northwind's comment is the least of your worries.

Farage is overwhelmingly popular with the UKIP core electorate, how useful was that at the general election?

Broess - you are correct. The recovery is partial and we will continue to perform below trend. Why? Because the root cause of the crisis has yet to be addressed - excess leverage.

Austerity (sic) is a side show that makes headlines.

The real issue is leverage. The BIS wrote about this two days ago and I hope to download and read on train tonight (late night!).

Fail to identify the causes correctly and you will fail to implement the correct strategies.

Our representatives have amusing debates for our entertainment but do little to address our real problems - hence the accompanying media circus. we get what we deserve...

That is my understanding, yes.

People were bound to go back over his previous statements:

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In the same way that sitting down with a nice cup of tea 'compliments' conventional medicine presumably 😀

Our representatives have amusing debates for our entertainment but do little to address our real problems - hence the accompanying media circus. we get what we deserve...

Part of Corbyn's huge appeal in the leadership election was precisely because he wasn't seen to be part of the parliamentary elite, which quite frankly are held in very low esteem by the British public these days.

^This. I reckon if he can get up a head of steam with the electorate, the bickering will stop. It is a real tight rope though.

Also, I think there should be no requirement for him to sing the national anthem. Does not say anything about his patriotism one way or another.

Damn rumbled! 😉

Yes our appalling productivity record is a bug bear of mine as is the failure to,understand why it's important. But pages of advertising support have already been wasted on that topic. Suffice to say that excess leverage and poor productivity are natural bed fellows.

MPs prefer ST stunts anyway.

ST stunts, eh? Well, don't let the PQ boys seem them trying to 58 that old rag, there'd be "quantitative ease-in" all over the trading dashboards!

The SNP had a pretty substantial press operation - they certainly didn't ignore the MSM.

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konabunny - Member

ST stunts, eh? Well, don't let the PQ boys seem them trying to 58 that old rag, there'd be "quantitative ease-in" all over the trading dashboards!

^ This. Well said KB.

BTW THM, how you getting on with the BIS report?

Apparently it's a total of 189 pages - do you have a long train journey, or can you take most of it in by doing a quick scan with your eyes ?

[url= http://elxn-data.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/mr-corbyn-and-pmqs.html ]I think this is a good piece on Corbyn's PMQs[/url]

its the gift that keeps on giving

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Fine thank you Ernie. How about you?p

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What page are you on THM ?

Apparently it's a total of 189 pages - do you have a long train journey, or can you take most of it in by doing a quick scan with your eyes ?

Fine thank you Ernie. How about you?

Surley JHJ you can find a picture of him with a royal or Jimmy Saville

I think the former is unlikely

its the gift that keeps on giving

Well it's certainly a gift for Corbyn stoner. But I doubt that many career minded professional politicians will be taking up Assem Allam's offer.

Besides, I imagine that the LibDems have enough on their plate right now with taking a handful of raging right-wing Labour MPs who refuse to accept the democratic decision of 60% of their party.

Surley JHJ you can find a picture of him with a royal or Jimmy Saville

Thankfully not...

However, if what I've just read is factual, the picture I've posted above is a good example of how more often than not, pictures have a deeper story behind them.

But I doubt that many career minded professional politicians will be taking up Assem Allam's offer.

with enough money thrown around, I dont see why not.

But wouldnt it satisfy your desires to see the dissolution of "New Labour", the creation of a truly left wing workers party, and leave the blairites to cuddle up to whoever has the money to afford them?

leave the blairites to cuddle up to whoever has the money to afford them

I think that has already happened they all over the media, quangos and international charities.

The Digger is getting his claws in early. Is the Abbot stuff really new??

The poll is more damning and revealing.

But wouldnt it satisfy your desires to see the dissolution of "New Labour", the creation of a truly left wing workers party, and leave the blairites to cuddle up to whoever has the money to afford them?

Er yes, I haven't expressed any opinion that they shouldn't leave the party. I just don't think there are any that stupid or that the LibDems are stupid enough to want them.

The LibDems were busy trying to reinvent themselves as a left-wing party until Corbyn came along. They are probably now trying to work out how they can reinvent themselves to be left of the Tories but right of Labour, taking on a handful of angry Labour right-wingers who in some cases like Tony Blair would probably be more comfortable in the Tory Party will just complicate things even further for them.

And the LibDems certainly don't politicians whose primary motivation is going where the money is, the public have low enough opinion of them already.

This Alleem Assam fellow seems to have some really sensible ideas:

On 12 September 2013, Allam, speaking to an interviewer, predicted that "in a few years many clubs will follow and change their names to something more interesting and I will have proved I am a leader."[16] He added that if he were the owner of Manchester City, he would change their name to "Manchester Hunter".[16]

Allam's plans to change the name of the club have been met with strong opposition from supporters of the club,[17][18] whose complaints he dismissed, stating "nobody questions my decisions in my business."[19] In response to the formation of a group opposed to the name change entitled "City Till We Die," Allam responded that the supporters involved "can die as soon as they want, as long as they leave the club for the majority who just want to watch good football."

Seems like he was a really committed Labour supporter too:

He started donating to Labour in February 2012, after inviting the party's then-leader Ed Miliband to Hull City's match with Ipswich Town at the KC Stadium.

Following the fixture, Mr Allam donated £100,000 to Labour.

At the time, he also offered a similar sum as a donation to the Conservatives, but party officials are understood to have declined the sum.

A party without a point led by a rebel without a clause

Now that's an eye catching headline and an article that is more fun than the BIS Quarterly. Nice conclusion too.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2015/sep/16/corbyns-labour-is-a-party-without-a-point-led-by-a-rebel-with-a-cause

What Corbyn needs, beyond obviously a spin doctor and a mini-break, is to surround himself with thinkers. Gosh, some of them may even be female. For he is the exact opposite of the movement he needs to build: young , flexible and networked. He is its temporary caretaker. Sorry, but hating the media, the Tories and austerity are not policies. They are feelings. Thinking, actually thinking anew, is the challenge.

an article that is more fun that the BIS Quarterly

Seriously ? More interesting than 189 pages of fascinating statistics ?

What do you really do for a living THM ?

It was a dry edition this quarter and couldn't find the article I was looking for. It's the Central Bankers club journal effectively so hardly likely to be a rip-roaring read. The data is good though albeit tough to fathom at times. Hence the chapters on new stats are of interest, but that's the return journey!

Speed reading is key! Like 3 papers in the morning, don't forget I had the misfortune of actually reading Scotland's Future - a real low point. BIS is dry and a little dull but at least it's not made up.

Speed reading is key! Like 3 papers in the morning, don't forget I had the misfortune of actually reading Scotland's Future - a real low point.

I had forgotten.

3 papers in the morning......that's impressive.

Good luck with the new stats on the return journey. BTW are going to work or coming back ?

Never would have had you down as a Suzanne Moore fan THM.

Hey don't judge him......THM is a political neutral who reads loads of stuff.

Who's Suzanne Moore anyway ?

Who's Suzanne Moore anyway ?

Someone who doesn't think hating the tories is a policy, so she is probably a Tory, because this seemed to be the central policy of every other Labour party hopeful.

Author of such classics as 'We all love Superdrug in my house, and here’s why'

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/29/superdrug-boots-profits-teenage-girls

She has devastating insight.

Stoner - Member
its the gift that keeps on giving

However, if what I've just read is factual, the picture I've posted above is a good example of how more often than not, pictures have a deeper story behind them.

Edit: oh okay, they were shagging in the late 1970s. Apart from being an even less alluring coupling than John Major and Edwina Currie...so what?

I don't get it - what do you think the superficial story behind that picture is? What do you think the deeper story behind it is?

Come on konabunny...you should know by now you have to do your own research.

It looks to me like a photo of Diane Abbot and Jeremy Corbyn at a demo in the late 1980s. Is it somehow remarkable that two leftie London Labour MPs would go to the same demo?

That's what I thought but I didn't like to ask.

I thought it might have something to do Althea Street SW6, you know, perhaps the address of an establishment paedophile ring?

But I didn't google Althea Street SW6 as the thought of Diane Abbot and Jeremy Corbyn being implicated in an establishment paedophile ring was too horrible to contemplate.

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they were shagging in the late 1970s

Ah, right. And 35 years later he becomes Labour Leader and gives her a frontbench job, in recompense for all the hand jobs. Another example of how corrupt our political system is!

I don't get it -

Maybe, but at least it [u]made you think[/u]!

I'm not quite sure why having a relationship with someone that he had a lot in common with 30 odd years ago is in the least bit newsworthy... In fact if thats the best they can come up with then I reckon the media character assasination is not going to be as bad as i thought it was going to be. It just stinks of desperation to be honest.