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I've just noticed that Stan Hartill ("Jeremy Corbyn should be taken out and shot") has written a comment piece in today's "Huff'n'Puff Post". I have taken the opportunity to ask him why, in the light of his remark, he was bothering to fight Nazis.
Anyone else finding the live stream down? Grrrr...
working for me. - watching bbc Daily Politics show.
Working here on the bbc site.gofasterstripes - Member
Anyone else finding the live stream down? Grrrr...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
I am watching on parliamentlive.tv - it dropped out just at 1200 but it's back up now.
Here's our PM being respectful at a state funeral.
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I have to say, so far Cameron is handling everything very well.
He's not wearing the Dark suit/blue, red or purple tie combo
[b]BURN HIM!!!!![/b]
[i] grum - Member
because it just makes you look like even more of an idiot[/i]
Hold that thought!
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Corbyn being restrained, not attempting to put the boot in. Reasonable for a first effort I reckon.
There is also no question that this is your moment, one I never saw coming, and you will no doubt make the most of it. However, I think (note this is an opinion) you will fail electorally because you are wrong.
You never saw it coming mefty ?........I never saw it coming !
I had completely given up on the Labour Party bar saying that the only vague possibility of winning the party back lay in the ashes of election defeat - I was at least right about that.
I am still genuinely struggling to accept that John McDonnell is now shadow chancellor. And that much of the economic arguments put forward by Andrew Fisher (I doubt that you have heard of him - local Croydon based economist) in half empty rooms on dull weekday evenings at my local Labour Movement HQ, will become official Labour Party policy. It just seems so unreal to me.
The political situation in Britain has changed beyond anything that I could have possibly imagined 3 months ago, and the same is true with regards to everyone else including, Corbyn, Blair, Cameron, and you.
So I would be very reluctant to predict what will happen in 5 years time, to do so would be foolish imo.
What worries me most about Corbyn, and it seriously worries me, is that I haven't heard even a hint of rule changes. If he was to be run over and killed by a bus tomorrow the Labour Party would instantly revert back into the hands of the hard-right parliamentary elite.
They will never make the same mistake again - that's for sure. Expect the next lineup of candidates for leader of the Labour Party to be very similar to Burnham, Cooper, and Kendall.
Even if 60% of party members and supporters want someone different ...... the Labour Party hasn't suddenly become democratic.
Do you think he'll get Dave to do what nobody else has managed, and actually answer a question? The spoon faced ****!
Corbyn's a bit too considered and questions were too general - allows Cameron to just bat them back.
Do you think he'll get Dave to do what nobody else has managed, and actually answer a question?
He doens't need to, all he needs to do is draw attention to the fact that he's not answering anything. Like this guy's doing.
Cameron grandstanding.
Love it. All that then some dude gets up and asks the PM to help him buy a tiger 🙂
Well, he handles dropping 'ordinary' people's names and problems into political dialogues better than Miliband did, but it's not a tactic that I'm personally a fan of!
No score draw?
A different note... assuming this parliaments makes it to its natural end, will Corbin's age count against him? My first instinct would have been to say yes (imagining a party independent bias against politicians who seem 'too old'), but seeing him today he looks pretty hale and hearty so I'll move across to an uncommitted maybe!
Has somebody moulded the MP for Rochester and Strood out of Playdoh?
He done alright, considering what PMQs is.. grandstading for the PM. which it will always be while he gets last word on everything.
The 1970s Burtons revival coming soon!
(Apologies for trivialising an important event)
What worries me most about Corbyn, and it seriously worries me, is that I haven't heard even a hint of rule changes. If he was to be run over and killed by a bus tomorrow the Labour Party would instantly revert back into the hands of the hard-right parliamentary elite.They will never make the same mistake again - that's for sure. Expect the next lineup of candidates for leader of the Labour Party to be very similar to Burnham, Cooper, and Kendall.
Even if 60% of party members and supporters want someone different ...... the Labour Party hasn't suddenly become democratic.
I think it would be foolish to talk of rule change now. Bring it in at conference confident that the place will be rammed with fellow travellers, but don't give the oppo time to group.
If a bus takes him tomorrow, then yes, labour back towards the centre, but if he can make through a conference or two and manage to get selection rules changed then it can all become more permanent - regardless of whether he wins or loses the election. If he wins, a number of the new MPs will be of the left - and even the blairites would be happy to lean that way given they were in power (if any make through a round of deselection!). If he loses, the hard left seem to have the supporters numbers to ensure that the next slate of MPs to take on 2020 would be their choices.
Non Corbinite Labour MPs must be feeling foolish - partic those who lent their nominations. They had total control over who made it on to the ballot and they blew it. For want of a nail and all that...
And I agree, that tiger question was wonderfully anticlimactic!
Jambanomics
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I thank the honourable member DrJ for coining a new word. I look forward to seeing it used lots here in future.
Expect the next lineup of candidates for leader of the Labour Party to be very similar to Burnham, Cooper, and Kendall.
Shocker. No photo this time?
Non Corbinite Labour MPs must be feeling foolish - partic those who lent their nominations. They had total control over who made it on to the ballot and they blew it. For want of a nail and all that...
If only they had been more aware of the views of the members of the party which they purport to represent, eh ?
That's what comes with being at the top of a thoroughly undemocratic organisation.
And just to recap......Jeremy Corbyn got 50% more votes than the other 3 candidates put together. That's how out of touch the hard-right parliamentary elite were with their own party members.
[i] binners - Member
Has somebody moulded the MP for Rochester and Strood out of Playdoh?[/i]
I'm not sure anyone has ever tried.
Knock yourself out.
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[i] deadlydarcy - Member
Jambanomics
I thank the honourable member DrJ for coining a new word. I look forward to seeing it used lots here in future[/i]
Mods could add it to the swear filter.
[i] Corbinite[/i]
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Still, some of them are quite pretty.
And I agree, that tiger question was wonderfully anticlimactic!
I haven't watched many parliamentary debates, but every time I have, there has always been some completely random content that seems to stop the whole thing in it's tracks and provide that ffs moment.
ernie_lynch - Member
If only they had been more aware of the views of the members of the party which they purport to represent, eh ?
Watching PMQs there, I think it pretty obvious he wasn't trying to get one over on David Cameron. More a case of saying to the electorate, right, I'm here to fight your corner now, which I think worked pretty well.
As a tactic it won't set alight those already interested in westminster tribalism, so I don't think that will have the PLP excited, but he's not trying to talk to them, imo.
I reckon there will always be a gulf between Corbyn and the current PLP, and he knows it.
If that's the best that Labour can do then maybe we should outsource them to Talksport Radio.
And Labour press spokesman already rolling back on Corby's National Anthem position by now promising that Corbyn will be singing it in the future.
lt's all their Christmases coming at once for the Tories at at the moment 😈
To be fair, he's had next to no time to set it all up. He probably needs a little longer to take questions from the public and roll the sentiments of several into a set of questions which are more pointed.If that's the best that Labour can do then maybe we should outsource them to Talksport Radio
Nigel Dodds! 😆
https://audioboom.com/boos/3580238-the-lbc-caller-who-gave-jeremy-corbyn-his-first-pmq-question
(first Question) Marie.
Andrew Fisher (I doubt that you have heard of him
You are correct - I will look out his book.
On PMQs Corbyn's approach played to Cameron's strengths but ensured he did not fail, which was a success as expectations were low. He may wish to continue in this vein, he will give up an opportunity to land a punch, but Hague was fantastic in PMQs and it didn't do him any good electorally.
EDIT: Dodds's question will make the News bulletins, I would be guess.
That's jambanomics.
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The welfare budget is more than enough to protect the most vulnerable. It's like how at the election the Tories where going to destroy the NHS spending £130bn but somehow Labour would be the saviour spending £132bn, well that was until the Tories committed to spend £138bn and Labour cried it was "unfunded" (numbers from memory but I think you get the point). To get back to Corbyn, Cameron has said we'll take 20,000 Syrians whilst Jezza won't give any number at all ?
The welfare budget is more than enough to protect the most vulnerable
True it is just that these ****s dont care for them and wont look after them as the purple rinse brigade of the pensioners, who vote, get all the attention.
Jezza won't give any number at all ?
20,000 is ****ing risable as a number i think its ok for me to say this without saying the exact number I think is ok
The welfare budget is more than enough to protect the most vulnerable.
Well if you say so, it must be true. Funny how such hugely complex issues are actually so simple after all.
If that's the best that Labour can do then maybe we should outsource them to Talksport Radio.
If you are looking for entrenched rhetoric and playground bickering, then yeah, it was pretty poor. That doesn't run the country though, so I'm happy he made a bit of a statement by not getting involved in the game.
I do love the way that the right wingers are expressing outrage that he doesn't have exact numbers after being leader for a whole 3 days. Do you think that if he did give them numbers, that he might possibly be accused of making it up on the hoof? I wonder....?
Cameron has said we'll take 20,000
... over 5 years. The same as Germany took in a day
Excluding pensions, about £120bn. Or c. £1900 per citizen, which is about the same as the NHS. Whatever the rights and wrongs of policy, it really [i]ought[/i] to be possible to protect the most vulnerable for that.The welfare budget is more than enough to protect the most vulnerable
[url= http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/ ]Welfare breakdown[/url]
The welfare budget is more than enough to protect the most vulnerable.
Why are the Tories spending more than they need to.......surely enough will do?
I thought you claimed that the Tories were frugal with their spending jambalaya ? Except of course when it comes to really important stuff like new weapons of mass destruction and bombing countries, - money is no object then, obviously.
How much does a vulnerable cost?
The same as Germany took in a day
[url= http://fortune.com/2015/09/08/germany-migrant-crisis/ ]Perhaps because they need them[/url]
“We will profit from this, too, because we need immigration,” German Labor Minister Andrea Nahles said
No I'm looking for an opposition that can do it's own thinking and has a clear strategy and direction, getting phone-in style questions is none of those. Corbyn has known for weeks he'd win, yet now he is leader seems to not know what his policy or direction is. At present he is letting others define it such as Tom Watson on EU and Trident or his PR team saying he will sing the national anthem from now on. Reminds me of Yes Prime Minister.
Well, he's a populist.
Ironic that he's not very popular.
Or photogenic...
The same as Germany took in a dayPerhaps because they need them
The selfish, self-centred bastards!!! Is their no end to their opportunistic cruelty?!
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/cameron-visit-better-than-a-british-passport-says-refugee-20150915101963 ]Not like Dave and his crusading Big Society humanitarianism eh?[/url]
dragon - MemberNo I'm looking for an opposition that can do it's own thinking and has a clear strategy and direction
I get the impression that's the last thing you want. Which presumably is why you're not happy.