Jeremy Corbyn

He's right about Europe too, the rest of the Labour Party need to keep up!

EDIT Cassette boy = brilliant

DD: I apologise for failing to put the attribution, I was posting from my mobile, but I accept I should have. It's a very well known quote now and I doubt anyone thought it was JC's. But, yes, it is the starting point for Labour's stance unless you can find a clearer statement?

I've read his explanation from the time and it was an explanation not a retraction. He's standing by the message AFAIK.

I disagree, all it proves is that people with left wing views don't buy newspapers, if They did the Mirror and Guardian would have massive circulations

Or most folks who buy newspapers do so for the norks, the TV guide, the celeb gossip and the football and barely notice the political bobbins.

One or other. I have no evidence but I can't imagine open minded nice people buying (say) the Mail and the journalistic slant turning them into bigots. Seems far more likely it's either neutral or reinforcing existing prejudice.

But, yes, it is the starting point for Labour's stance unless you can find a clearer statement?

How is a starting point? It's something said by someone 12 years ago, when a peace process was on its knees. How is that now Labour's policy? Has Corbyn said anything to that effect...like "Yep, I'm absolutely on the money with John...we view the IRA bombers as heroes and they should be honoured." That would be a good indicator of Labour's policy (or stance) on the IRA.

How is a starting point? It's something said by someone 12 years ago, when a peace process was on its knees. How is that now Labour's policy?

I assume when the OP said stance he didn't mean policy, the quote is just an indication of how "True Labour" might be thinking. Would they even *need* a policy?

Semantics, shmemantics.

So, anyway...has Corbyn indicated that that's his stance?

Semantics, shmemantics.
So, anyway...has Corbyn indicated that that's his stance?

Jerry Adams was the first Leader to congratulate him and he refused to specifically condemn IRA violence, although he did condemn violence in general. We've all read the view of the first appointment he made.

I have no idea why but the Labour Party do appear to have a liking for these violent people.

I have no idea why, but it seems to me you've come to conclusion, then backfilled it with reasons.

OOB, from a fairly neutral standpoint, it looks like you are DESPERATE to make this JC bloke look like a loony, when actually whenever I see him speak, he comes across as genuine, reasonable and honest. Rather than attributing (miss)quotes to him, I'd appreciate it if anyone could find a single clip of him saying something that would shock me. Because when you look into the 'shocking' quotes more closely (friends of hamas, disband the army, liking sinn fein, etc) taken fully in context they actually seem to be reasonable statements cynically used out of context by a bunch of spiteful, selfish, SCARED Tories.

I haven't voted in a General Election, ever, because I have always despaired at the lack of choice presented. but I will DEFINITELY be voting for the man who comes across consistently as honest, principled and decent that has appeared from the ashes of Pseudo Labour.

outofbreath - Member

he refused to specifically condemn IRA violence, although he did condemn violence in general.

Yep, that was exactly the sort of idiotic bullshit that we have to deal with these days. "I condemn all violence" "But do you condemn IRA violence?" "Well, is it violence? Yes? Do you know what "all" means?" But instead it's CORBYN REFUSES TO CONDEMN IRA VIOLENCE

I have no idea why, but it seems to me you've come to conclusion, then backfilled it with reasons.

Err, because you asked me to.

I am always delighted to share a platform with people like Martin (McGuinness), I make no secret about it – we get along very well personally

That is a quote from Colin Parry, I will await with interest your character assassination.

Jerry Adams was the first Leader to congratulate him

I'm fairly certain that he wasn't, although I'm mystified why it would be an issue.

You yourself describe Gerry Adams as a "Leader". He is president of a political party which is fully legal under UK law and which people are completely free to vote for should they wish to, and they do - it's the second largest party in NI.

Why the **** shouldn't it's leader congratulate the new leader of the Labour Party?

Unless you're some sort of Daily Mail reading right-wing bigot I can't see a problem.

Yep, that was exactly the sort of idiotic bullshit that we have to deal with these days. "I condemn all violence" "But do you condemn IRA violence?" "Well, is it violence? Yes? Do you know what "all" means?"

Didn't you find that odd though? It would have been quicker just to say he condemned IRA violence. Maybe he he was just in a ratty mood but it looked weird to me, like Howard/Paxman.

That is a quote from Colin Parry, I will await with interest your character assignation.

If he meant "people like MM because they murder", then Colin Parry is a ****. If CP meant "people like MM who have renounced violence" then that's ok, in my view.

McD spelled out that he meant the first sense.

Didn't you find that odd though? It would have been quicker just to say he condemned IRA violence. Maybe he he was just in a ratty mood but it looked weird to me, like Howard/Paxman

except for the answering the question bit and the condemning them bit that is a great point

This is pointless , you dont care what he said as you have your view and you are trying to force the facts to conform to your view

They dont and you wont reconsider

But Oob just knows Corbyn is evil as hell has a hard on for terrorists and has the quotes to back it up........ Or is he just

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I'm sure that Corbyn will **** up plenty in the future, just wait for him to actually do or say something bad

I'm going to give oob the benefit of the doubt and hazard that we wasn't sure who Colin Parry is. I really can't think of anyone who'd call him a **** - well, I can, but y'know, any kind of decent human.

whenever I see him speak, he comes across as genuine, reasonable and honest.

Yep, he's got the likeability factor, he reminds me a bit of Tony Benn in that he forms opinions from a well understood set of principles. I certainly wouldn't dispute that hitherto he's been genuine and honest, but as leader that will have to change and he'll need to start ducking questions and stating views he doesn't agree with - you can't rebel as leader!

Rather than attributing (miss)quotes to him,

I haven't misquoted JC once. Every single negative historic JC quote I've seen has been out of context with bits missing and I haven't repeated them. The only quote I've used was from McD and I've posted in full uncut. (I also read his explanation of it to make sure hasn't retracted it or subsequently changed the meaning or just claimed his mouth overtook his brain any of which would seem reasonable explanations to me.) That's the only quote I recall posting.

I'd appreciate it if anyone could find a single clip of him saying something that would shock me.

It's not a quote but have a read of Mc D's blog about how they're going to gather the money they're going to give us all. It's mental.

SCARED Tories.

Why scared Tories? Labour aren't going after any Tory votes at all, as of Saturday Labour have decided to look elsewhere for votes. They're chasing SNP/Green votes now.

I'm going to give oob the benefit of the doubt and hazard that we wasn't sure who Colin Parry is. I really can't think of anyone who'd call him a **** - well, I can, but y'know, any kind of decent human.

How could anybody so concerned with the relations between British and republican politicians not know? How could anyone with any care for the victims of terrorism not know?

Are you suggesting he is faking his hysterical outrage?

It's not a quote but have a read of Mc D's blog about how they're going to gather the money they're going to give us all. It's mental.

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Are you suggesting he is faking his hysterical outrage?

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If he meant "people like MM because they murder", then Colin Parry is a *. If CP meant "people like MM who have renounced violence" then that's ok, in my view.

I'm going to give oob the benefit of the doubt and hazard that we wasn't sure who Colin Parry is. I really can't think of anyone who'd call him a * - well, I can, but y'know, any kind of decent human.

No need to give me the benefit of the doubt. If CP values someone because they murder people he's a ****. If he advocates someone because they are renouncing violence that's totally reasonable.

You haven't even bothered to google who Colin Parry is, you moron.

OOB, might I suggest you look up who Colin Parry OBE is before you dig yourself a deeper hole. I can't imagine a man less likely to value someone because they murder people.

OOB, from a fairly neutral standpoint, it looks like you are DESPERATE to make this JC bloke look like a loony, when actually whenever I see him speak, he comes across as genuine, reasonable and honest. Rather than attributing (miss)quotes to him, I'd appreciate it if anyone could find a single clip of him saying something that would shock me.

It's not a quote but have a read of Mc D's blog about how they're going to gather the money they're going to give us all. It's mental.

The latest post sways me to the former

Colin parry lost his son to the IRA in a terrorist attack in Warrington and founded a peace movement as a result of his loss. I think everyone can work out he does not value those who murdered his own son but he has worked for peace so no else need feel his loss

You have got to be trolling as no one is this out of touch 😯

Is it derek again?

I have to say I'd been wondering just who oob is. JY's suggestion could be a good shout.

I can't imagine a man less likely to value someone because they murder people.

I think we can all agree which sense he meant, and it won't have been the "It was the bombs and bullets ... that brought Britain to the negotiating table" sense. Perhaps the OP thought otherwise.

Well, this is rather dull.

^^^The post that reviews itself. 😀

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How can there be sin
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future, your future"

I noticed the manufactured outrage this morning. So -he's a Republican and an Atheist and somehow you're outraged that he isn't a hypocrite as well?

Oh, please.

I think his politics are infantile and his economics worse, but he's a straight shooter and that's admirable.

Ta Darcee, but I was highlighting that this had veered from a discussion of JC onto a slanging match.

Personally, I'm very much looking forward to the PMQs today 😀

Mr Woppit - Member

I think his politics are infantile and his economics worse, but he's a straight shooter and that's admirable.

Putting his economics policies which apparently are worse to one side, why do you describe his politics as "infantile"?

Do you actually know.......have you thought about it?

The only clue you provide is that according to you he's a Republican and an Atheist and not a hypocrite. That doesn't sound particularly infantile to me.

Do you actually know.......have you thought about it?

Yes. Next.

Next.

Well it's obvious what the next question is - why ask?

Here it is again : Why do you describe his politics as "infantile"?

Your apparent reluctance to answer it suggests that despite your claim you haven't actually thought about it.

Can someone close this now?
It's getting infantile.

No, it's just getting good.

... and from Tweedledee:

In the Daily Mail, Stan Hartill, who served with the 609 Spitfire Squadron, is quoted as saying: "They should take him out and shoot him."

... whoever "they" are. jhj to the forum.

I agree Rusty Spanner. To describe someone's politics as infantile, presumably because you don't agree with them, is, well, infantile. It's a silly pointless taunt.

I disagree with David Cameron's politics but I can't imagine dismissing them as "infantile", I like to think that I'm a little more grownup than that.

I noticed the manufactured outrage this morning. So -he's a Republican and an Atheist and somehow you're outraged that he isn't a hypocrite as well?

Oh, please.

I think his politics are infantile and his economics worse, but he's a straight shooter and that's admirable.

Straight shooter?

Refusing to sing the national anthem in public, yet swearing allegiance to her in parliament?

That's infantile!

At least St Gerry of Adams (honourable member for disappearances, touting and covering up paedophilia) has the courage of his convictions to refuse to swear an oath.

Refusing to sing the national anthem in public, yet swearing allegiance to her in parliament?

I suppose as an atheist it would be tricky asking god to save her. He would need to do would be miss out the God lines and sing the others?

Not singing the National Anthem is the least of his problems if this Michael Crick tweet is true

BBC cameraman in hospital last night with neck and face injuries after Corbyn aide allegedly assaulted him as Corbyn left his home yesterday

Refusing to sing the national anthem in public, yet swearing allegiance to her in parliament?

It's either that, or don't appear in Parliament. Do-able for a NI MP, less so for Islington and leader of the opposition.