Jeremy Corbyn

Good.

I don't trust him.
I trust Diane Abbott even less, mind.
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“In particular, it is my view that we should support the UK remaining a member of the EU, notwithstanding the outcome of any renegotiation by the Prime Minister, and I cannot envisage any circumstances where I would be campaigning alongside those who would argue for us to leave – Jeremy has made it clear to me he does not wholeheartedly share this view.”

the Jeremy and Nigel "leave" show then!

Chuka's resigned.

Don't you mean, "he wasn't offered a job in the new Shadow Cabinet" ?

Yes I meant not been offered a job.

I have also not been offered a job in the shadow cabinet.

@konabunny Rolls Royce's?

Chucked....

(KB - nice passive aggressive final lines up there. I see what you mean now. Easy just to say sarcasm isn't it?)

This "get behind your leader" stuff shows an admirable SOH that has been sadly lacking recently. He deserves some votes just for that

There's been quite a few people who have refused to accept jobs which they haven't been offered.

The Daily Telegraph's headline claims : [i]Chuka Umunna resigns from Jeremy Corbyn shadow cabinet after 'mutual agreement'[/i]

Jeremy Corbyn hasn't even formed his shadow cabinet so I have no idea how Chuka Umunna could have resigned from his shadow cabinet.

"Are you suggesting Rolls Royce was a business killed by a higher rate of VAT on luxury goods? Is that right?"

No, offering it as an example of a high value UK product.

Yes, earnie you've made your point, they've been sacked, not resigned, I've already conceded that, it was just a slip of the keyboard. #Inclusive

Actually I was making a point about how the media are reporting alleged "resignations" by washed-up blairites, it wasn't aimed at you personally.

As I said, people are resigning from jobs which they haven't been offered.

Another one who hasn't been sacked - worth reading the full text of the 'resignation' letter - pretty much sums up my concerns about Corbyn's election.
To make a change, you have to be in power - otherwise it's just noise.
http://www.cumbriacrack.com/2015/09/12/jamie-reed-mp-resigns-as-a-shadow-minister/

Didn't Jamie Reed announce his resignation as Jeremy was giving his victory speech? Exactly how does that make Labour more electable? If you want to put the country and your party foremost there are far better ways to move forward.Clearly these self serving careerists prefer to try and make personal political capital with the full knowledge that a hostile media will lap it up and try and make Labour more unelectable.

worth reading the full text of the 'resignation' letter - pretty much sums up my concerns about Corbyn's election.

I did and it was hard to establish what he was criticizing Corbyn for.....his opposition to more nuclear power stations?

It was a bizarre "resignation" letter - why the reference to independence for India? Wasn't that in 1947? How is that relevant to now and why did he want to take credit for it?

I entered politics to transform the constituency in which I was born – the [b]most remotely accessible [/b]English constituency from Westminster.

I'm still trying to work out how the Labour Party can be a threat to national security and totally unelectable at the same time.

The Tories are saying they are a threat to national security, the RW of the Labour Party are saying they are unelectable.

Why didn't he just say "furthest"?

Because it probably isn't as a crow flies.

If they really are a threat to national security, shouldn't the Labour Party be made a proscribed organisation?

It's a bizarre thing for the Tories to say.

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Although it was always on the cards I am still seriously stunned to hear that John McDonnell has been made Shadow Chancellor, I can't get my head round that. Just that one appointment proves beyond doubt imo that Corbyn means business. The neoliberal consensus is now completely dead, as is New Labour. This was so completely unlikely, indeed impossible, 3 months ago, that I'm seriously struggling to to come to terms with it.

Thank God Labour lost the general election otherwise Miliband would still be Labour Leader and would now be implementing vaguely watered-down Tory policies.

I had always argued that change could only come to the Labour Party if it experienced electoral defeat, and that voting Labour would change nothing :

ernie_lynch - Member

...maybe you could help change it.

The Labour Party is beyond that, it can't be saved, it's lost.

And even if change was possible so that it once again became what it previously was that certainly wouldn't happen under the conditions of election victories.

The only conceivable way that the grip of the thoroughly undemocratic hard right which now controls the Labour Party could be loosened would be if the party experienced catastrophic election disasters.

Voting Labour in May will change [u]nothing[/u].

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cameron-v-miliband/page/2#post-6802090

But I never expected things to change so quickly and so dramatically.

You were right Ernie voting Labour in May wouldn't have changed a thing. I am not convinced that J C will be successful but at least there's some fight in the dog. Hopefully Corbyns labour and the SNP can co-operate on a lot of issues though it looks unlikely that Corbyn will offer much in the way of further devolution to Scotland.

great appointment having john mcdonnell as chancellor in waiting--the one two at the head of labour mean business--give the localplp their democratic rights back and its all systems go.....as you say ernie , interersting times--a reminder for all those naysayers, things can and do change very quickly--its a myth that things are always the same --they are not -they are fluid--the gas house that is westminster has a lot of catching up to do--in fact it needs a full cull !!

If they really are a threat to national security, shouldn't the Labour Party be made a proscribed organisation?

They aren't the same thing. A political party might campaign on a platform of abolishing the UK armed forces. That would be a threat to national security but a choice for the electorate to make.

Proscribed organisations are terrorist groups.

Ok it's pretty clear those in the movement are pretty happy right now, the real test is whether the electorate are so keen. Corbyn at least should shake things up, maybe make it acceptable again to say what you believe in British politics. I would be surprised if he is still Labour leader at the next election though. There are already too many outside of his team from the parlimentary party and he's not won a lot of friends over the years for his principled stances on policy. I think he's going to find it difficult to keep it together. I think going forward we'll see an invigorated yet split Labour party which is ultimately much more periperal to British politics in line the more extreme views of it's new leadership.

The now consensus is now completely dead

No it isn't. The vast majority of the the voters are still centrists. All that's happened is one of the parties has shunned all those votes and gone back to its roots.

Genuinely admirable but it won't change the consensus amongst the voters.

It might win back Scotland though, and see off nationalism there.

Ouch, chase the financial services sector abroad to make manufacturing a higher percentage of our GDP: "financial transactions tax to fund the rebalancing of our economy towards production and manufacturing."

Labour is just a completely open goal, read this on the IRA:

"‘It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle.

‘It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.’"

I'm wondering if this fiasco could save the Lib Dem party.

They aren't the same thing. A political party might campaign on a platform of abolishing the UK armed forces. That would be a threat to national security but a choice for the electorate to make.

I was kidding - it's still a ridiculously overblown thing for Cameron to say, even if he doesn't really believe it.

Either that, or a drone strike on Labour HQ is imminent.

It is ridiculous, nobody believes Trident is essential any more.

However, the Tories probably chosen it as an issue because it's an obvious place to push to cause friction. Best of all if Labour keep Trident, Corbyn has to advocate a course of action he has been arguing against forever and if it doesn't half the ministers do.

No shock with McDonell - the alternative read PPE at Oxford, so far too Establishment. Stick her in Business.

So all male top tier, London-centric, a few tokens - fittingly 1970s. back to the future!!

falconer will feel a bit weird in the first cabinet meeting - who are these people!!!!

It might win back Scotland though, and see off nationalism there

I think it's already being played as a reason for Scotland to choose independence. So don't hold your breath

Agree, piemonster, could go either way.

This is already becoming reminiscent of the Michael Foot days - just without the donkey jacket and the intellect.

This could be really interesting - it must be a generation since a cabinet or shadow cabinet have not had very similar views to each other on the vast majority of policy or at least been able to paper over the cracks. Is the general public ready for a shadow cabinet that aren't able to vote in harmony?

Exciting times for politics.

Has a leader of the opposition ever generated this much media interest ?

Before he ever got close to being elected he was the most talked about MP in the land, he's only had the job a couple of days, there's 4.5 years until the next election and already the government campaign has started against Jeremy 'danger' Corbyn

Either that, or a drone strike on Labour HQ is imminent.

No, the conservatives are against wasteful government spending and a missile would be wasted on a bunch of people already committing seppuku.

Not sure that I agree with this cartoon- although I joined and paid £3 to help get Corbyn elected, they really didn't need any help.

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Cranberry, your cunning plan will be foiled by the Tory implosion on the EU referendum,followed by the new hyper left wing government, you helped d to shape !

cranberry - Member
No, the conservatives are against wasteful government spending...

No no, that's the old-fashioned Conservative party. Not many of those principled chaps left sadly.

It's nu-Con now, and they're for selling off income producing state assets to their mates and trousering secret commissions, and also ensuring that there's a plentiful supply of the servant class willing to work for less than subsistence wages.

However now that the revolting peasants..., I mean now that the peasants are revolting, and the nu-Com pals in the Labour party are withering away, we'll probably need a little war so we can wave the flag about a bit and bring the masses back in line. Oh, and if Kate can pop out another little parasite, so much the better... 🙂

Whilst I like a lot of his policies many just aren't realistic or workable, personally I think he's going to end up like Neil Kinnock

cunning plan

I love that right wingers feel so smug, self-congratulatory and think themselves "cunning". cranberry's recent demonstrations of not even being able to extract some simple facts from a linked article in his hurried state of tumescence to mud-sling tell me all I need to know about whether to pay attention to any predictions he might make about what might happen in four and a half year's time.

Just another RW troll.

It is ridiculous, [u]nobody[/u] believes Trident is essential any more.

Stop listening to the social media echo chamber and look at the polling

your cunning plan will be foiled by the Tory implosion on the EU referendum

As I've repeatedly said this applies to Labour as well, we've ended up with the politics of the 50's & 60's where the Tory leaders are pro EU and Labour's anti. Tom Watson has already called for Corbyn to support EU and Trident, yet COrbyn doesn't seem to have a firm policy for either at present.

In the meantime Germany closes it's borders to immigrants and Cameron goes visit a UN camp on the Syrian border.

[i]Tom Watson has already called for Corbyn to support EU and Trident, yet COrbyn doesn't seem to have a firm policy for either at present.[/i]

I don't think anyone doesn't know what Corbyn's views on Trident are?

Views and Policies are not the same thing, one man should not be the policy author for any party.

nobody believes Trident is essential any more