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made Johnson look like an entitled fool
Not that difficult really. But yes if Labour stick with the plan of voting against a GE to stop a no deal bexit & only go for it once that bill is through they'll certainly go up in my estimation
The look on BJs face as his majority walked to the lib Dems was priceless
No election ?
What does Jeremy want ? Boris!
When does he want it ? Now!
The revolution's been cancelled.
The only problem with Corbyn is that he is not a very good leader and the press and tories have made the most of that. All you hear now is how 'you wouldn't want a Corbyn government' rather than 'you wouldn't want a Labour government' because the Labour polices are pretty good and would actually appeal to a lot of people but policies are kept out of it by just attacking Corbyn as a person.
No election ?
Yes election.
Just not stupid enough to allow a No Deal Brexit to occur during the campaign.
The media today is awash with this “Corbyn doesn’t want an election” line from Johnson, even though he clearly does, once an A50 extension is sorted. While they are also repeating Johnson’s assertion that he himself doesn’t want an election, even though he is calling for one. Up is down. Down is up. It’s all nonsense, but they know it’ll be repeated by willing folks like yourself, and, if repeated enough, even believed by some.
an as yet unnegotiated Labour deal, (I think you’ll find this unicorn paraded along with a referendum in GE campaigning)
I think that's either
a) always been a ruse to placate leavers or
b) involves different red lines such as FoM - after all Corbs went to talk to the EU a couple of times, I'm guessing this is what he was talking about
People on politics threads should learn to read between the lines.
He did well yesterday. Not sure it will be enough for a GE.
because the Labour polices are pretty good
Like confiscation of private property ? ( Buy to let and company shares ) ?
Why would any private citizen or corporate body invest any money in *anything*, when Labour might simply come and take it away and give it to their loyal supporters ? ( see also Zimbabwe )
Borrowing investing Borrowing £500,000,000,000 on day 1, when the markets will put up the cost of government borrowing to rates seen in a 3rd world country, because they know that is where Britain is headed ? ( see also Venuzuela )
Communism is not the answer to any question other than "what is the most murderous political doctrine and what causes starving people to have to eat their own pets? "
No election ?
What does Jeremy want ? Boris!
When does he want it ? Now!The revolution’s been cancelled.
Also no desire on the part of the opposition parties to simply take over and do the job properly. They have a bigger majority than Cameron, May and Boris post 2015.
I can't say I blame them for shirking the responsibility, I'd do the same myself, but it's not a good look.
Like confiscation of private property ? ( Buy to let and company shares ) ?
Why would any private citizen or corporate body invest any money in *anything*, when Labour might simply come and take it away and give it to their loyal supporters ? ( see also Zimbabwe )
Borrowing investing Borrowing £500,000,000,000 on day 1, when the markets will put up the cost of government borrowing to rates seen in a 3rd world country, because they know that is where Britain is headed ? ( see also Venuzuela )
Communism is not the answer to any question other than “what is the most murderous political doctrine and what causes starving people to have to eat their own pets? “
Bless...
Also no desire on the part of the opposition parties to simply take over and do the job properly … it’s not a good look.
Stopping the clock on A50 and then seeking a mandate from voters for what you intend to do next is very much a “good look”. If Johnson had the balls to do it I’d have more respect for him.
Stopping the clock on A50 and then seeking a mandate from voters for what you intend to do next is very much a “good look”.
Great, then they should do that. They have the majority now. (Again, not that I blame them for not. We all understand the strategies of each party so we can't really be too critical.)
CommunismConservatism is not the answer to any question other than “what is the most murderous political doctrine and what causes starving people to have to eat their own pets? “
Try googling Deaths Universal Credit
Borrowing £500,000,000,000 on day 1, when the markets will put up the cost of government borrowing to rates seen in a 3rd world country, because they know that is where Britain is headed ? ( see also Venuzuela )
Drivel.
How can a country that issues its own currency follow the same lead as a country that doesn't.
Don't talk rubbish
Still, at least there at front benchers of the calibre of Richard Burgon to do the media rounds when Jezza's otherwise engaged.
#CarCrash
How can a country that issues its own currency follow the same lead as a country that doesn’t.
Eh?
Venezuelan bolívar.
UK £.
If I were Corbyn, I wouldn't bother with a GE, his pollsters will likely be telling him he can't win a majority.
His best course of action now, form a coalition government if he can and get 2/3 years to prove he's actually PM material.
His best course of action now, form a coalition government if he can and get 2/3 years to prove he’s actually PM material.
Why would the opposition parties want the blame for Brexit/Failing to Brexit?
The opposition parties are in total control now. They can take over the government or force an election as soon as they wish. They're not doing it because they want the problem of Brexit to be Boris's, not their and in the case of an election because they think that what came after would be worse for them. [1] That's understandable, I'd do the same, but let's not pretend their motives are in any way admirable.
No party leadership has any freedom of movement here, they're all hostages to fortune desperately picking the least disastrous way through a minefield.
[1] The liberals could find themselves forced to be in a coalition Government as they were in 2008, Labour could be beaten, or worse win and take the Blame for Brexit!
Family connections will only get you so far in life:
#thefew
I'd never heard of him 'till I saw him on TV yesterday and he was equally tied up in knots then.
In his defence he was trying to do the decent thing and answer the question. A more skilled/devious/experienced politician would have ignored the question and stayed on message.
Negotiating a great deal and then campaigning against it isn't that much more mental than everyone else's Brexit policy.
You can see why the leadership don't put themselves up for "Today".
Try googling Deaths Universal Credit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
Nice trolling. You clearly don't think Corbyn's policies and the way they would be implemented are the same as a communist regime, do you?
Negotiating a great deal and then campaigning against it isn’t that much more mental than everyone else’s Brexit policy.
It is not mental at all. If people asked me to get the best deal I could I would do that. However that does not mean it will be a better deal that I think we already have
In his defence he was trying to do the decent thing and answer the question. A more skilled/devious/experienced politician would have ignored the question and stayed on message.
That is my take on it. Interviewer had a very clear agenda and was being a tool. He shouldn't have gone along with it really but I prefer that to the usual dodging of the question
Cranberry,
Seeing as you have discovered wikipedia, maybe look up the difference between socialism and communism?
And for homework, democracy vs dictatorships.
A socialist at the head of a democracy is not a communist dictatorship. In the same way Boris isn't Benito Mussolini despite both being right wing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
How is this even remotely relevant?
It is a sign of just how far to the right British politics has lurched when Corbyn's policies, which would be considered very centre left in Northern European countries, are being called "Communist" by political illiterates such as yourself.
Perhaps you'd find more support for your comments in the Daily Express comments section?
It is not mental at all. If people asked me to get the best deal I could I would do that.
Really, so if you worked for the EU and had (say) 2000 civil servants at your disposal, and JC came to you and said "Whatever you do I'm going to campaign against, but can you and your staff bust a gut to flesh out a deal for me to campaign against?" you'd think "Yeah great well get right on it and come up with something credible/desirable.". Or would you get them working on something slightly more important?
Boris isn’t Benito Mussolini
yet
Cranberry is just sore because he paid to join Labour & voted for Corbyn to shaft Labour then came on here to brag about it
Of course Corbyn has seen off 2 Tory PMs and now has Johnson by the balls- won't give him the election he desperately needs to see off farage & corbs is laughing his ethically sourced fairtrade cotton socks off as he watches bozo destroy his own party on the orders of Dominic cummings
corbs is laughing his ethically sourced fairtrade cotton socks off as he watches bozo destroy his own party on the orders of Dominic cummings
I said months ago that I thought the goal of labour's brexit policy and Corbyn's leadership was to ensure they held the party together long enough to ensure the tories destroyed themselves first. It's would appear to have been spectacularly successful. This should be a lesson for the haters that patient, careful and undramatic actions will win the day. The next task is to judge when is best to bring down the govt. No doubt Binners will be along soon though to say it was all down to Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper.
Of course Corbyn has seen off 2 Tory PMs and now has Johnson by the balls
ROTFLMAO. That was the joke going around 6 months or so:
"Prime ministers come and go but Jeremy Corbyn will be leader of the opposition forever."
Its a shame too many of you believe the lies in the press / media about Corbyn
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html?fbclid=IwAR3-e6BCxiduVkVQGj7OU_XCBm5C9xu1haBwIGhYkjVOyzsATjbvkBLwuf8
I did enjoy the Mash Report headline last night:
“Jeremy Corbyn is considering entering politics full-time”
😂
Its a shame too many of you believe the lies in the press / media about Corbyn
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html?fbclid=IwAR3-e6BCxiduVkVQGj7OU_XCBm5C9xu1haBwIGhYkjVOyzsATjbvkBLwuf8/blockquote >It's all his own fault for making himself not unmisprepresentable enough. If he was just playing the game by taking bungs from fracking companies and going to New Age Corporate Strategy Retreats, everything would be great and the media would be nice to him.
Of course, if Corbyn had resigned 6 months ago and been replaced by any reasonable moderate [1] Labour would be within two months of winning a landslide. As things stand a narrow defeat is a real possibility.
[1] And I appreciate that, politically, that might not have been an option for him.
Nach, he also has quite a lot a baggage that can be dragged up and used against him when he does engage. This alone will make him considered as untrustworthy as BoJo with some parts of the electorate.
No politician is clean (some might argue that even the clean ones can be smeared with fake news), but his past really does him no favours right now.
Nach, he also has quite a lot a baggage that can be dragged up and used against him when he does engage. This alone will make him considered as untrustworthy as BoJo with some parts of the electorate.
No politician is clean (some might argue that even the clean ones can be smeared with fake news), but his past really does him no favours right now.
JC will remain as the Labour Leader as he can sense that he is getting very very close to the PM seat with all the power. He is not going to give up without a fight put it this way coz he has a big plan waiting ...
…and as we've seen before, centrists definitely aren't stuck in 1997 and the press are definitely extremely reasonable and sensible.
The silence is, as usual, deafening.
Boris is playing him like a cheap fiddle. Hardly difficult as he has all the political guille of a filing cabinet.
I’ve just listened to Magic Grandad saying how he’s ‘protesting in the strongest possible terms’ about what Johnson is doing. He delivered it with all the heart, anger and passion of a bored health and safety bloke talking everyone through the fire regulations
He’s just totally and utterly ****ing useless! Boris is clearly absolutely itching to fight a general election against the doddering,vaccuous old fool! And who can blame him. He’ll absolutely walk it!
How is that working out for you @binners? Even your messiah Tony Blair is praising Corbyn;
In the space of a week we've seen someone who is apparently playing Corbyn "like a cheap fiddle" lose their majority, 22 of their own MPs, the nuclear option of no-deal Brexit and even the ability to call a General Election (unless BJ resigns to force it), all to a bloke who has an allotment, as if that's a measure of anything.
Of course, truth be told, none of this has come about in the last week alone. Politics is a long game and Corbyn and his team have actually been the ones playing the fiddles. It would speak volumes of your character if you could find the smallest bit of humility and acknowledge the above, but sadly I feel that your own hubris won't allow this.
Corbyn’s long game?
Do me a favour.
Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.
The fact that he’s managed a whole week without monumentally *ing it up is hardly cause for celebration.
This is nowhere near over and I’ve as little confidence in him as ever he’ll get through another week without some head-in-hands clanger
Johnson wants an election because he believes he can beat grandad and get a majority. Have a think about that for a minute....
3 years of Tory Chaos from a party at war, a PM who’s tearing up the constitution and saying he won’t obey the law, all with the pound in free fall, no solution in sight, and the Labour Party are still trailing significantly in the polls
HOW? FFS?!
And somehow, because he managed to miss an elephant trap big enough to be seen from space, we’re all meant to think that’s absolutely peachy *ing creamy are we?
Brilliant! I was wrong all along. He’s a political genius! Big pat on the back for Jeremy for avoiding an elephant trap a three year old could have seen coming
Talk about limited expectations
I think Binners rhetoric is a little OTT, but he's fundamentally right - we've had this appalling Conservative government for a good few years now and Labour should be many many points ahead in the polls.
Labour seem to be 3-14% behind the Tories depending on the poll you read ( https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/), the only upside seems to be a likelihood of a coalition but thats a tossup between Cons/Brexit party vs Lab/Libdems too.
Jess Phillips is busy promoting her book this week though Binners. Have you ordered it yet?
She clearly knows a well timed speech.
3 years of Tory Chaos from a party at war, a PM who’s tearing up the constitution and saying he won’t obey the law, all with the pound in free fall, no solution in sight, and the Labour Party are still trailing significantly in the polls
Glad you mentioned the pound in free-fall, one of the big issues of our social fabric.
Take on board - it's a complex situation with the vote/polls split many ways.
Just give your support to the Libs they are clearly more aligned with your politics.
we’ve had this appalling Conservative government for a good few years now and Labour should be many many points ahead in the polls.
You would like to think so wouldn't you but the polls are polling average voters (you know, the sort of people that think Brexit is a good idea)
What 3 things could Corbyn have done that you think would have got Labour ahead in the polls?
What 3 things could Corbyn have done that you think would have got Labour ahead in the polls?
1) Not standing in the 2015 leadership Campaign - Effective Remain Campaign from a credible Labour leadership: No Brexit. Tories would be looking to get re-elected after years in Govt, and years of Austerity. Labour win in 2020.
2) Resigned long before the 2017 election. Labour win in 2017. (Except May wouldn't have dared face any other candidate so there wouldn't have been an election.)
3) Resigned after the 2017 election. Labour could vote the government out *today* and would be on the verge of a landslide instead of trying to keep them in power.
Politics is a long game and Corbyn and his team have actually been the ones playing the fiddles.
Well yes, the Brexiteer Labour leadership strategy of ensuring Brexit happens and the blame goes to the Torys has worked a treat, but many people are not Bennites ideologically in favour of Brexit. SOme of us aren't Bennites at all.
Apart from Labour only doing so well in 2017 election BECAUSE OF Corbyn of course. If he had resigned before had they would have done worse.
None of those things would make Labour higher in the polls IMO. Labour going 100% remain would not necessarily make any difference as they would win some votes and lose a lot of others and how that would factor into parliamentary seats is another thing all together