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He wrote a letter! Saying he was against it! ( whatever "it" might be in this case )
Well, I think that the case is made for him being the kind of dynamic, charismatic, "get things done*" leader this county is calling out for.
* as long as the thing that gets done is writing a letter, being against something.
Isn't the purpose of the letter to the Cabinet Secretary to clarify whether it is against statute for Johnson to call an election so the pre election period falls over the brexit.
It seems like a sensible approach because it will, at the highest level, make whatever advice Johnson has got for Govt lawyers public.
I imagine that the reply is going to say - it is for politicians and Parly Speaker/clerks to define and test the limits of the existing legislation or make new legislation.
It is also a continuation of the argument and counter argument about democracy/will of the people because there will be a lot of that from Johnson's csmp
denying the choice to the voters in a general election already underway
Come on, don't you think that is just a little on the silly side - saying that allowing the voters to decide on who gets power is an "unprecedented, unconstitutional and anti-democratic abuse of power" ?
It sounds great in the bunker, probably.
... so you are saying that it's OK for Johnson to deliberately force a no deal Brexit by timing of a GE - because he knows Parliament will oppose?
He wrote a letter!
You lot are hilarious. A letter not exciting enough for you? Would you prefer a protest on the steps of parliament? Calls to strike? Standing in Trafalgar Square with a sandwich board?
the boring reality is that this is what ‘opposition’ is. Using the machinery and the accountability of govt and parliament to prevent them doing things Which are bad for the country.
There is no "forcing" of a no-deal Brexit - that is the default position. He will not do anything to change that during purdah which might bind his successor.
🙂
A letter not exciting enough for you?
Not that one. No. Anything else to offer up as examples of Corbyn as leader standing up for those worried about this new government, its lurch further right, and it pushing for a harder and harder Brexit… videos, interviews, articles…?
Using the machinery and the accountability of govt and parliament to prevent them doing things Which are bad for the country.
Like not calling for a vote in the Commons to stop Johnson becoming PM, even when government ministers resigned to call for that vote, and to vote against Johnson and his No Deal agenda? That was the last best chance to unseat the Tories before we Leave the EU. But not a chance worth taking for Corbyn… who held a little rally instead to get angry with his own inaction.
Standing in Trafalgar Square with a sandwich board?
Your morning read.
https://medium.com/@twlldun/the-right-side-of-history-de2228da346f#.lhmqeabsz
Oh… and TTIP was US lead and was rejected by the E.U. through its majority voting and is now history.
When put to her, Malmström acknowledged that a trade deal has never inspired such passionate and widespread opposition. Yet when I asked the trade commissioner how she could continue her persistent promotion of the deal in the face of such massive public opposition, her response came back icy cold: “I do not take my mandate from the European people.”So who does Cecilia Malmström take her mandate from? Officially, EU commissioners are supposed to follow the elected governments of Europe. Yet the European Commission is carrying on the TTIP negotiations behind closed doors without the proper involvement European governments, let alone MPs or members of the public. British civil servants have admitted to us that they have been kept in the dark throughout the TTIP talks, and that this makes their job impossible.
In reality, as a new report from War on Want has just revealed, Malmström receives her orders directly from the corporate lobbyists that swarm around Brussels. The European Commission makes no secret of the fact that it takes its steer from industry lobbies such as BusinessEurope and the European Services Forum, much as a secretary takes down dictation. It's no wonder that the TTIP negotiations are set to serve corporate interests rather than public needs.
It’s no wonder that the TTIP negotiations are set to serve corporate interests rather than public needs.
And then what happened, when the normal democratic process kicked in (just as it will when we eventually ask the EU national governments and parliaments to ratify our own trade deal with them)?
Same goes for any UK deal with the USA don’t forget… the long slow technical process of formulating a trade deal is a bit hands off from elected representatives, but in most countries and trading blocks ratification is not. The houses in DC will have their say, and can block it.
Anyway, I’m not sure how this links into Corbyn…
Anyway, I’m not sure how this links into Corbyn…
About as much as the rest of the fantasy Corbynism in here 🙂
Please find us a strong contribution from Corbyn since the new government took office, and put their collective feet to the floor for the hardest possible Brexit and lurch to the right… I think it’s down to you at the moment, no one else is trying Dazh, they are on the “staying hidden and letting the Tories get on with making a mess is great” tack instead.
I had a good laugh today at the story that this supposed centrist ‘rebellion’ wanting to install Yvette Cooper or Dominic Grieve as a unity PM to stop a no deal brexit. So basically they’re saying that they would prefer a no deal brexit to Corbyn. I think that tells us all we need to know about the priorities of the centrist cabal (to use a popular word), squirreled away in their private gentlemen’s club, plotting the last stand of the establishment to keep everything the same. 🙂
There would be no unity government under Corbyn because neither the Tory rebels or the Lib Dems would join.
Keep up with the conspiracy theories though, it’s amusing.
Kitler.
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1159471151594127361?s=19
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Two other things though...
That cat looks so uncomfortable there, death grip from Jezza
"Look at the immensely worthy book I'm reading, everyone!"
Stocking up on pets before the socialist paradise comes into being is a wise move.
Lol
Socialist novel in one hand, hitler cat in second hand.
This is all going to end so well isn’t it.
Please find us a strong contribution from Corbyn since the new government took office
Define 'strong contribution'. As I've said before, he could dance through westminster in EU underpants and you'd still say it wasn't enough. Why waste time on people who bizarrely think he's the next Hitler?
I suspect he'll be out meeting people in their communities which is what he usually likes to do instead of hanging around journalists and other MPs in Westminster bars. Or down at the allotment as Binners always likes to worry about. Either activity would be more productive than whatever it is that you want him to do. What is that by the way? No one has yet answered....
They want him to stop Bwexit wight now.
What is that by the way? No one has yet answered
See, you keep saying that, and people keep responding. One can only assume you don't approve of the answers you get, so discount them.
Let's not waste our time any more than we do already.
I'd quite like to hear him being interviewed by decent journalists. His only output seems to be on Twitter preaching to the already converted. It must be apparent that there aren't enough of them to get Labour elected so he needs to start trying to convince others that he is a viable alternative to the Tories. I hate the Tories as much as anyone but at the moment I've seen nothing from Corbyn that makes me think he'd be a good Prime Minister. Someone, actually anyone, convince me he's the right man for the job.
Videos, interviews, articles… anything?
I’m not asking for proof that he is doing a good job as opposition leader right now… I just want some examples of how he is making the public aware, since the new government took office, that he is ready and able to lead the country, should an election be upon us that he wants Labour to win. Or will it be a rerun of his campaigning style for the EU elections?
Can you blame Corbyn if no "decent journalists" want to interview him?
I think he could be making more supportive noises towards the legal action currently going through the Scottish courts (Mougham, Cherry, Swinson etc) though. Maybe he has and I've just not seen it?
Can you blame Corbyn if no “decent journalists” want to interview him?
Well, that’s bullshit… if you really think interviewers don’t want to interview the leader of the opposition, in these most turbulent times, you’ve really drunk the Kool Aid. Everyone wants an interview with him. Everyone.
I’ve just not seen it?
Well, I haven’t seen it either.
So now I've drunk the Kool Aid? Is that your standard response to anyone who disagrees with you on any point regarding Corbyn? Have you even read any of my previous posts on this thread?
I may not agree with dazh on much here but this has gone beyond rational discussion.
Which journalist is avoiding interviewing Corbyn? He is a man missing in action… all current affairs and news teams are constantly asking for him… and they get Burgon, or Long-Bailey, or Gardiner on instead, to burn a few more votes.
Or will it be a rerun of his campaigning style for the EU elections?
I presume it'll be a rerun of the 2017 effort with a new and updated manifesto. I'm not going to tell you what is so good about Corbyn because as I've said many times I refuse to join in with - and still baffled by - the obsession with him from either side. What I will say is that I'm fairly certain, or at least I hope, that the next labour manifesto will be another step change in progressive radicalism building on the last manifesto.
Something that not only offers the chance to either stop brexit or cancel out it's more damaging aspects, but also something that will massively tip the balance of power and wealth back towards the general population from the current plutocratic nightmare where the rest of society funds the unsustainable and indefensible lifestyles of a few very rich people. If we're really lucky we might even get a coalition or something similar where the green party have significant influence.
Or you can vote for Boris and his dystopian nightmare, or more austerity-light vacuousness from the liberals. It's a pretty easy decision in my book.
“Vote Corbyn, he’s not Boris”
That won’t nearly be enough, I’m afraid.
I’m not going to tell you what is so good about Corbyn because as I’ve said many times I refuse to join in with – and still baffled by – the obsession with him from either side.
Best contribution to a thread about Corbyn - award winner 2019.
So… some positive contributions from someone else please… a link to Corbyn, since the new further right harder Brexit government took over, taking the fight to them, for us.
“Look at the immensely worthy book I’m reading, everyone!”
To be honest, it looks more like he is about to nod off and have an afternoon siesta. For God's sake, quick, someone pass him a Worther's Original.
Was denken Sie über die Juden, mein Fur-rer ?
That won’t nearly be enough, I’m afraid.
“Vote Boris*, he’s not Corbyn” is pretty convincing though.
*or anyone else
Corbyns campaigning l;ast time wisnae bad - as in the euro referendum. He got out there and spoke to real people in the real world. Deprived May of a majority everyone thought was going to happen.
Plenty of activity from Corbyn - from parliamentary maneuvers to stop the hard brexit - sabotaged by 18 of his own party to plenty of strong public statements.
Can you link us to some, since the Johnson government was put in place, and the shift right and harder happened?
see that post 3 above? Can link to plenty more but its pointless as nothing Corbyn could ever do ill satisfy you
see that post 3 above?
That’s the same letter as Dazh posted about already. Anything else?
as nothing Corbyn could ever do ill satisfy you
A quick reminder that I voted Labour in 2017 and you did not. What he has since (not) done I have found far from satisfactory, but that’s not just me.
Anything else?
Did 'tjagain' stutter?
It's funny because I'm sure a number of you on here would consider yourselves 'moderates', but you display similar behaviours whilst banging the drum for centrist policies as you accuse those on the left and right of having.
There us nothing 'moderate' about UK politics at the moment, regardless of where folks think they stand on the political spectrum.
There us nothing ‘moderate’ about UK politics at the moment, regardless of where folks think they stand on the political spectrum.
No riots. No water cannons. No detention centres. No ovens.
Looks pretty moderate to me.
whilst banging the drum for centrist policies
I voted Labour for the first time in 2017 BECAUSE Corbyn has moved the party to the left. That doesn't blind me to the fact that he’s missing in action and seems to let every political opportunity pass by… and as others have claimed, it seems as if he just wants the Conservative party to carry out Brexit, in the hope that he (or the next leader) will afterwards be embraced by the voters of a weakened UK as a new PM. I hope that isn’t the case, and he is going to soon spring into life and we can rally around him… but if now isn’t already too late for that… when is?
I voted Labour for the first time in 2017 BECAUSE Corbyn has moved the party to the left.
If that’s true then there is no reason not to vote for them again. The only thing that has changed since 2017 is their intention to hold a referendum on a brexit deal, and (probably) more radical progressive policies.
No riots. No water cannons. No detention centres. No ovens.
Looks pretty moderate to me.
You have a hilariously low bar for what you want from a society. As long as we are not under an actual murderous facist dictatorship its all cool with you, yeah? 😂
“Vote Corbyn, he’s not Boris”
That won’t nearly be enough, I’m afraid.
It actually might be. Although the media would have you believe people love Boris that is not actually the truth. Many female voters are 'terrified' that he is PM and the people I work with and talk to (admittedly a bit more switched on than the average voter) all see him as a complete liability (and many of those people are tories - you can't always choose who you work with!)