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All these people leaving will help get the net migration figures down anyway won't they? bluekip supporters should be happy
I do find it rather amusing/frustrating that many of the people in favour of brexit are adamant businesses won't leave the UK as our economy is too important to their profits.
Give them the argument of raising corporation tax and all of a sudden they'll be leaving in droves...
this just showed up on my FB.
It's from 2013 but really shows Boris up as what he really is.
Stuff like this be getting pushed to the front now.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2013/mar/24/boris-johnson-accused-nasty-video ]https://www.theguardian.com-boris-johnson-accused-nasty-video[/url]
This stuff happened in your life so you do know about it
Nice rebuttal
I can only imagine what would have happened were this Dianne doing this or say flip flopping on the EU issue
He is personal, morally and politically a rather dislikable individual with few if any principles.
Still he is funny on HIGNFY so all is forgiven eh
I can only imagine what would have happened were this Dianne doing this or say flip flopping on the EU issue
This is part of Labours problem though.
They know it's not really a fair fight, Murdoch, Branson, Green etc all help to give them a kicking. However, why don't they change their tactics? Stop sending Dianne over the top into the waiting guns of the media. Get her away from the front bench and any media. She is just not savvy enough.
Why aren't they "going to the mattresses"? Start posting stuff on social media, show the U turns and the lying.
This is the worry. Are they really that naive?
airtragic - Memberif labour get in it'll be interesting to see if .....
"If" Labour get in? What would do you mean if Labour get in? I thought the pundits all agreed that a snowflake stood a better chance in hell than Labour had of winning a general election with Corbyn as leader?
Apparently the LibDems and UKIP, as well as the Tories, were going to rake in the Labour votes because of Corbyn.
You mean that Labour stands a chance? They were wrong about Corbyn? Does that mean that other things said about Corbyn might also be wrong?
Or should we carry on believing what we're told?
why don't they change their tactics?
There is only a handful of Labour people prepared to go with the "working for peace" narrative so they can't put more than two or three up for interview
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40105324 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40105324[/url]
So Corbyn calling May's bluff. He will appear on the TV debate.
Some common sense at last.
So Corbyn calling May's bluff. He will appear on the TV debate.
Seems like a master stroke - he has been consistently more appealing than her on TV (not hard, I know), and now he gets to underline that, while avoiding having some duffer make a mess of the Labour part of the debate.
Be very hard for the PM to not appear now....
But then that would be another u-turn.
[quote=airtragic ]Be very hard for the PM to not appear now....
Vote loser if she does at this stage. She's simply terrible live without her braying mob behind her.
I especially love her "bulldog licking pish off a nettle" face that she pulls whenever anyone criticises her or asks a difficult question.
Good call by Corbyn - I think. The danger he faces is in looking incapable if he can't defend his policies when they're attacked by the leaders of the smaller parties. Whilst they'll also attack the Tories policies (and I'm not expecting Ms Rudd to do any better job than the Maybot of defending them) May personally avoids any fallout from that.
I think on the whole it should be a win for him - but more importantly it's a gamble he has to take. If he does badly and loses the election as a result, well he was always supposed to lose the election anyway. If it goes well for him then it could just be enough to tip things (at least far enough that the Tories don't get a majority - that counts as a win I think).
There's no chance she'll appear. She clearly despises the great unwashed and will do pretty much anything to avoid any direct contact with them. As Rod Liddle put it the other day.
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"Theresa May has the warmth, wit and oratorical ability of a fridge-freezer."[/i]
Be very hard for the PM to not appear now....
No they need to put up Priti Patel, she can ask why "only labour can unlock her talent"
[quote=BoardinBob ]Vote loser if she does at this stage. She's simply terrible live without her braying mob behind her.
Indeed - it's now a lose, lose situation for her. Which makes me wonder whether this is a masterstroke from Corbyn, and in fact one he has planned for a long time - I can't see anything he had to gain from announcing earlier that he was taking part.
[quote=aracer ]BoardinBob » Vote loser if she does at this stage. She's simply terrible live without her braying mob behind her.
Indeed - it's now a lose, lose situation for her. Which makes me wonder whether this is a masterstroke from Corbyn, and in fact one he has planned for a long time - I can't see anything he had to gain from announcing earlier that he was taking part.
100%
Strong and stable, but not strong enough to appear on the debate!
Yep great move by Corbyn, all I hear people saying in the office after seeing him on tv is he was much better than they expected and not like the media make him out to be
The danger he faces is in looking incapable if he can't defend his policies when they're attacked by the leaders of the smaller parties.
The minor parties are getting squeezed, the "progressive alliance" bollox is reducing them to cheerleaders just as the greens are in Holyrood. They have to create some degree of separation or face irrelevance
As Rod Liddle put it the other day."Theresa May has the warmth, wit and oratorical ability of a fridge-freezer."
Rod Liddle is a prize clown, but on this occasion I agree with him.
This appears to be a succinct summary of a key issue
From Corbyn to McDonnell to Ken Livingstone, they all justify it these days by saying it was OK because it led eventually to the peace process. But that’s disingenuous in the extreme. When they were out defending the IRA, its fellow travellers also didn’t know when, or if, that campaign would end. They still happily supported, or had an ambivalent attitude towards, Republican violence. They knew exactly what they were doing, and how their solidarity was used by the Republican movement to paint its murder campaign as part of some wider struggle for social justice.”
Big n daft, do you hold May to the same level of scrutiny for supporting state sponsors of terrorism such as Saudi?
of a key issue
Serious question: Is it really key? Really? Why?
We could easily increase corporation tax by a couple of points and still be a more attractive country to do business in than almost all on that list
Aye - as a small company I'm happy to take the 26% hit to make things better.
As Danny DeVito said recently - "Why don't you guys want to pay your tax?"
it's now a lose, lose situation for her.
It always has been.
She has nothing personally to offer, she has a likeability rating of 0, a competency rating of 0, and no policies to 'sell' to the public - although to be fair, i'm not sure anyone would be able to make a good job of selling 'our balance sheet is a mess, things are a bit crap, and their going to get crapper before they get better'
There's simply no point going to a TV debate and trying to compete against 6 other parties screaming 'spend, spend, spend' as loud as they can. Spending is always appealing.
Her job was really always say nothing, do nothing and wait for JC to screw up. However that's not really worked out on 2 fronts, as she decided to give pensioners a kicking, and JC has come up with a fairly radical/exciting manifesto to capture peoples imaginations.
As Danny DeVito said recently - "Why don't you guys want to pay your tax?
https://order-order.com/2015/07/23/douglas-carswell-v-owen-jones/
I think on the whole it should be a win for him - but more importantly it's a gamble he has to take. If he does badly and loses the election as a result, well he was always supposed to lose the election anyway.
+1. It's difficult to see what he has to lose by appearing, and if he gets into difficulty, pointing out that May couldn't be bothered to turn up should work.
Big n daft, do you hold May to the same level of scrutiny for supporting state sponsors of terrorism such as Saudi?
It's on the glum-bucket thread, don't cross the streams
suckerpunch from Corbyn
(assuming he gets doesnt fluff his numbers again!)
Its pretty embarrassing that our PM is so poor at interacting/communicating/negotiating that she is too scared to do unscripted debates
that weird gollum-gulp thing she did on the last one was amusing
Ill bet the tories were wishing theyd picked anyone but her right now
Ill bet the Tories were wishing they'd picked anyone but her right now
You saw the rest of the contenders, right?
I think what the powers that be obviously knew from the off was that every unscripted second of exposure was a disaster waiting to happen. What they didn't reckon on was the opposite being true for Corbyn
What are the odds on a new PM ?
big_n_daft - MemberThis appears to be a succinct summary of a key issue
I always get a warm glow of smug reassurance when right-wingers use the "friend of terrorists" card, it always proves that they are panicking.
It's resurfaced again recently as the Tory campaign started to unravelled and go pear-shaped.
The beauty of it is that there is no evidence that it works, in fact there's some evidence that it might be counter-productive. Still I guess that when you're panicking anything is worth a try.
The friend of terrorists card was used extensively by right-wingers in the US against Barack Obama, Sarah Palin in particular made a great issue of Obama "palling around with terrorists. It didn't stop Obama winning 2 US presidential elections.
More recently a few months ago here in the UK the Tories panicked in the London mayoral elections and accused Sadiq Khan of being a friend of terrorists, it didn't stop Khan from easily winning the London mayoral election.
[url= http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/662747/PMQs-David-Cameron-Sadiq-Khan-Labour-Mayor-of-London-extremist-Suliman-Ghani-ISIS ]PM sparks row with attack on Labour mayor candidate's links to 'man who supports ISIS'[/url]
more weak and wobbly, not prepared to defend her own policies and it's hardly a stella line up shes up against. She really isn't a people person is she.
Yet somehow despite being abysmal at thinking on her feet or performing in challenging situations, she manages to sell to the masses that she is the safe pair of hands for doing negotiations and they buy it
As Danny DeVito said recently - "Why don't you guys want to pay your tax?
https://order-order.com/2015/07/23/douglas-carswell-v-owen-jones
Seen it.
It's got to be a consensus.
[quote=big_n_daft ] As Danny DeVito said recently - "Why don't you guys want to pay your tax?
> https://order-order.com/2015/07/23/douglas-carswell-v-owen-jones/
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The best you can do to refute that is Carswell being disingenuous? Typical right winger thinking though to only be able to think of the individual rather than the collective.
Hint: traditionally your next gambit is to accuse lefties of wanting everybody else to pay more tax.
[quote=greentricky ]Yet somehow despite being abysmal at thinking on her feet or performing in challenging situations, she manages to sell to the masses that she is the safe pair of hands for doing negotiations and they buy it
the masses are clueless. they'd be more engaged in the process if the elections were ran in a big brother/ x-factor/ britain's got talent format
the masses are clueless. they'd be more engaged in the process if the elections were ran in a big brother/ x-factor/ britain's got talent format
The format you are looking for is televised leaders debate
the masses are clueless.
Yes they are. But instead of parties politically slagging each off, media trying to influence etc,. it would be better to have non politically aligned and non-biased information broadcast, sent to all in post etc,. so at least the clueless are given a chance to understand what the parties are offering, what the differences are, what it means to each person, what it means to public services
big_n_daft - Member
Big n daft, do you hold May to the same level of scrutiny for supporting state sponsors of terrorism such as Saudi?
It's on the glum-bucket thread, don't cross the streams
Nothing in the last 5 days.... What's your point of view?
I think I can guess the POV of somebody posting Guido videos of Carswell being a dick.
Yes they are. But instead of parties politically slagging each off, media trying to influence etc,. it would be better to have non politically aligned and non-biased information broadcast, sent to all in post etc,. so at least the clueless are given a chance to understand what the parties are offering, what the differences are, what it means to each person, what it means to public services
If it didn't agree with you, would you think it was unbiased?
looks like a bit of a masterstroke this....... It's now open season on the Maybot on Twitter for 'treating the voters with contempt'
Apparently, the Tories have decided that no May is better than a bad May 😆
If it didn't agree with you, would you think it was unbiased?
There is nothing to disagree with. It is a fact based document on what the parties are offering/intending to do, put in very simple easy to read manner.
So perhaps June will see the end of May?