Jeremy Corbyn

The people who are put off by Corbyn (rather than policies) seem to have made their mind up a long time ago.
Hopefully there are still many who haven't really formed an opinion yet and will start to listen to both over the next week.

kimbers - Member

would have been a complete waste of the ~ £100million it cost the taxpayer to put on this election though

and a serious blow to her credibility, the Tories will discard her with their usual efficiency

Yup. This hasn't had much analysis since til recently it didn't look like it was on the cards but the only reason for this election was to increase the majority, so standing still is a total failure, losing a single seat is a disaster- only a significant increase in seats is a victory..

They went in with a majority of 17- what's the least good outcome that they can consider a victory? Not 17. 30?

I still think shell get the win and at least 50 seats extra so she will survive

Its obvious that the polls still underestimate the rightwingers, when it comes to voting

dragon - Member
Although maybe this failure could work out okay, as a Tory majority of say ~20 might not be that bad a result for the UK. Enough to get stuff done, but not enough to be total idiots.

That just gives backbench tories power over their government. I would say loonballs, but well, they're in charge.

So in reflexion, I guess a tory majority of 20 or 120 makes not a lot of difference! 😆

I wonder how much the audience laughing at her, came as a surprise to her after spending the election trail at stage managed events full of the party faithful

kimbers - Member
the Tories will discard her with their usual efficiency

Do we get another election when this happens? 😆

Transcript from Jezza's appearance on Woman's Hour, re Labour childcare policy,
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Whoever is doing their media training/interview prep should be fired immediately. After earlier number clusters, surely they know that even the mildest of interviewers will push that button.

^^^ Jezza obviously on the homebrew after celebrating last night debate

Yes, and a slim majority might make Theresa's position untenable

That's my view. She'll have to go. She'll probably want to go - brexit on a small majority is going to be a nightmare. Running a country on a small majority is a nightmare full stop.

There's a tiny part of me that hopes she could stay on as PM and use it as an excuse not to Brexit. "Sorry people, but Brexit with a majority of 12 is not possible, I respect the public's decision but it will have to wait for a future government with a workable majority."

Success for May is something approaching a landslide. Success for Corbyn is over 200 seats. In fact the polls suggest he could go way beyond that and win. Combined with his enormous throbbing mandate he's already done enough to justify staying on after the election to his party in the event of a loss. Whether that's good or bad for Labour is a different argument!

(Note: My political predictions are always wrong.)

Its obvious that the polls still underestimate the rightwingers, when it comes to voting

Not difficult to work out the current trend:
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(but on balance I think you might be right)

Yeh just read women's hour was full Diane Abbott

"Erm, it will cost, erm. It will obviously cost a lot"

Damn those journalists and their trick questions

Its obvious that the polls still underestimate the rightwingers, when it comes to voting

That has been factored into the polls this time so the polls you see are already corrected for that.

Yeh just read women's hour was full Diane Abbott

Not so. She just made shit up, kept digging and got caught out. Pitiful.

Jez didn't know his brief. On a major, expensive policy. When he/they must know that a grilling on numbers was imminent. He at least didn't make stuff up and waffle, but he should have known his numbers. To not do so, helped by Abbott, makes a fool of him.

Yeh just read women's hour was full Diane Abbott

I am really not sure what is wrong about checking the actual figures rather than just trying to memorise everything or, as per the maybot, repeating vacuous statements about "strong and reboot".

Just heard the aiduo

thats gonna hurt!

ironic when the Tory manifesto was completely uncosted, but he really should have been better prepared

I am really not sure what is wrong about checking the actual figures rather than just trying to memorise everything or, as per the maybot, repeating vacuous statements about "strong and reboot".

Assuming we're talking Women's hour on R4 here, presumably some papers with the appropriate figures on them might have been a rather useful invisible crutch?

oooh, That was an own goal there.

"it's obviously going to cost a lot"
That was a silly mistake. General public don't have any concept of what is a lot of money to a government. All they care is that you appear competent, considerate, that you have a plan and will follow it through.

Massive own goal by Corbyn then when women are more attracted to Labour and apparently Woman's Hour 'has bigger audience than election debate'.

Door re-opened for a big Tory win.

Christ it is like who can shoot themselves the most times before 8th June, last one standing wins!

Jez didn't know his brief. On a major, expensive policy. When he/they must know that a grilling on numbers was imminent. He at least didn't make stuff up and waffle, but he should have known his numbers.

There's a difference between not knowing your brief and blanking during an interview. The woman in the post office asked me my postcode this morning and I blanked it for about 20 excruciating seconds. (I do know my post code!)

Also does he really need to know the numbers? The source of the cash is a fairy tale based on a misunderstanding of what borrowing means and a ludicrous idea that additional tax doesn't change behaviour of the most nimble groups in our economy. Plus there isn't parliamentary time to fulfil the manifesto pledges. So detailed knowledge of the numbers probably makes little difference.

Not gonna stop him winning though. This is Trump all over. Everyone agrees he cant win but there's a massive core vote and the existing government aren't all that popular.

he really should have been better prepared

Yep. Pre-interview prep;

Jeremy, you're going to be on Woman's Hour. Discussing our childcare policy. This policy will cost £Xbn. Yep. Write it down. On your notepad. Yes, you must. She'll ask you how much, you have to answer. Remember Diane the other day? If you dont know the cost of the policy you're being interviewed about, we'll look that ridiculous. Again. We can't afford that.

Right. So, how much will it cost?......Excellent.

Now, on to our other core messages we need to get across to this audience.....

It's hardly rocket surgery, is it?

I wonder how much postal votes play in to it.is there any data for how early most postal votes are cast? Surely the earlier they were cast, the less benefical that would be to Labour?

The Observer was reporting that the knives are already out for the Maybot at Tory Central Office, after what they have generally deemed to be a catastrophic campaign, which should already be in the bag

What terrifies me is that if they do get shut, post-election, which fruit-loop will end up at the helm negotiating Brexit. Thankfully the Tory party rarely chooses the obvious, so at least none of the present front row of clowns, but who...?

Yeh just read women's hour was full Diane Abbott

You need to listen to the audio, you get the full heavy breathing thing as well, and the pauses....

That was cringe worthy.

What was he thinking? He knew what he was going to be talking about.

What terrifies me is that if they do get shut, post-election, which fruit-loop will end up at the helm negotiating Brexit. Thankfully the Tory party rarely chooses the obvious, so at least none of the present front row of clowns, but who...?

You need to listen to the audio, you get the full heavy breathing thing as well, and the pauses....

I'm sure Eddie Mair will play it for me on the way home tonight, it's the pauses that are the worst, just excruciating voids of panic and your career crashing infront of you

The Observer was reporting that the knives are already out for the Maybot at Tory Central Office, after what they have generally deemed to be a catastrophic campaign, which should already be in the bag

May's problem is that she has few political allies and has a very small core team who clearly aren't up to it. I imagine it's Linton Crosby's last campaign for them as well

What terrifies me is that if they do get shut, post-election, which fruit-loop will end up negotiating Brexit. Thankfully the Tory party rarely chooses the obvious, so at least none of the present front row clowns, but who...

I don't see that unless she gets a really bad result ?20 majority.

Having said that spreadsheet Phil is nearly invisible, etc etc

Polls are commissioned to sell newspapers / generate clicks.

@kimbers you made my point for me, why should the US have the same criteria as India and China ? Obama knew it was a bad deal so he signed it at the last minute.

As for the EU list @oldnpastit you are confusing trade deals with arrangements on other issues like Irish border and even UK/EU citizens.

That was a bad interview. Though in fairness, it was a bad interview where he fumbled a number and didn't want to Abbott it, rather than a Fallon bad interview full of lies, or a May bad interview where she doesn't think food bikes are for poor hungry people or says people with learning difficulties are mentally ill.

obviously I'll get flamed but ... Corbyn was undone not by Paxman but on Woman's Hour 😀

Jesus! That Corbyn interview is excruciating!

Normal service has apparently been resumed....

Oh and Boris turning 'Boris' up to eleven.

I think Boris knows he is better off with May in charge, he won't win himself, and everyone else will not give him a job let alone the FS

That was a bad interview. Though in fairness, it was a bad interview where he fumbled a number and didn't want to Abbott it,

There was a lot more than the fumbled number in there

Polls are commissioned to sell newspapers / generate clicks.

Just seen corbyn in a doing a live chat on mumsnet, when is the STW one scheduled for?

Corbyn was undone not by Paxman but on Woman's Hour

There is a good group of talented young political reporters out there, often tucked away in regional news, or other outlets

Makes you really wonder why they use Paxman at all

emma barnett is a journalist for the Torygraph too

Just seen corbyn in a doing a live chat on mumsnet

Centre Parks? 😀

emma barnett is a journalist for the Torygraph too

Which makes his preparations even worse.

Surely they must check out the background of anyone who is going to be interviewing him?

wiggles - Member
when is the STW one scheduled for?

there linkage to this womens hour thing?

edit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08rp305

jambalaya - Member

As for the EU list @oldnpastit you are confusing trade deals with arrangements on other issues like Irish border and even UK/EU citizens.

Nope, I don't think I am. They're all linked.

[quote=dragon ]The fact that [s]the Tories[/s] Labour are in this mess is fairly stunning, since anyone half decent would have walked it against [s]Corbyn[/s] May.