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None of this sort of stuff matters, and quite rightly.
No MPs are perfect, they can all screw up in interviews etc,. but what they actually do over a 5 year term is the key thing.
The only thing people should be concerned about are the intentions of the parties and base their decision on that. So what if they don't achieve all of the things in a manifesto, the key is what is the manifesto aiming for.
- Labour are trying to improve public services and are open about the fact it will cost. They are also open about where they plan to get the money to cover it.
- Conservatives are trying to do something too I would imagine but they don't seem to be committing to anything other than an arbitrary net migration number.
Neither party will achieve all they say but you can clearly see what they are trying to do.
[quote=seosamh77 ]No idea why politicians should have to reem off figures there and then and aren't allowed to look them up.
+1 - it's hardly an essential skill for the day job. IMHO it should be compulsory for them to consult notes (rather than being told off for it), because that's what I'd expect them to do when doing real work.
Next time I see a journo with a tape recorder I'm going to have a go at them for not being able to remember stuff.
If only that were true. See Milliband and a bacon sarnieNone of this sort of stuff matters, and quite rightly.
WTF should MPs have to know every figure?
WTF wouldn't you have it on a piece of paper? Esp post abbotgate.
Emma Barnett was hostile to say the least but I think Corbyn was expecting a chat about his allotment and how well he did last night.
@kimbers you made my point for me, why should the US have the same criteria as India and China ?
Why shouldn't they? They are the second in the charts for greenhouse gases behind China and they have less than 5% World's population. Arguably being further along the "developed nation" path they ought to have reduced their pollution levels by now due to their relatively advanced technology.
WTF should MPs have to know every figure?
What about knowing the figure for the policy that you're being interviewed about? The policy you're launching. It's not about knowing everything, but knowing the brief for the interview at hand. Hardly hostile interviewing, either. She asked, he didn't have an answer. She pressed.
It's that obnoxious badgering interview style again. No idea why politicians should have to ream off figures there and then and aren't allowed to look them up.
Agree it doesn't look good and he should have known better, given the journalistic norms, but it's the usual unnecessarily belligerent Paxmanesque interviewing style.
Sensationalism over nothing. But hoo hum, that's what passes for journalism these days.
(last yin obviously never passed the swear filter! 😆 edited to PG rating!)
seosamh77 » No idea why politicians should have to reem off figures there and then and aren't allowed to look them up.
It's not that they aren't allowed to look them up, it's just basic preparation that seems to be missing.
He was launching a new policy, he knew what he was going to be asked. When didn't he have the figures immediately to hand? He doesn't have to commit to memory. Although the actual basic breakdown wouldn't be hard to commit to memory.
Total own goal and the Tories we get loads of mileage from it.
None of this sort of stuff matters, and quite rightly.
Unfortunately it does matter and quite wrongly.
Of course politicians should be able to consult notes, but there is no excuse for turning up to an interview to announce a policy and then not having a clue about how it will work or how much it will cost.
As far as I'm concerned this ins't a party political point, as they've all fallen foul of it over the last couple of weeks. And it simply shows the lack of basic competency of many of our politicians. Kind of depressing really.
- Labour are trying to improve public services and are open about the fact it will cost. They are also open about where they plan to get the money to cover it.
That's the most hilarious thing I've read on this whole thread.
I don't disagree with that principle, but if you're going into an interview to talk about a specific thing, you need to have those numbers. Particularly when you know it's an interviewer who writes for a paper that hates you, and one of your senior colleagues has already been ridiculed for not knowing her numbers. It's a schoolboy error so it becomes less about "memorising numbers" and more about common sense preparation.
It's deliberate badgering, why didn't she just give him a few minutes to look up the answer and then come back to the question, rather than take the partisan position of a tory questioning a labour leader. And make an issue out of it.gobuchul - Member
It's not that they aren't allowed to look them up, it's just basic preparation that seems to be missing.
I'm not saying it's just directed at corbyn btw, it works both ways. It's a very poor interviewing style, and tbh just treats everyone like mugs.
It's deliberate badgering, why didn't she just give him a few minutes to look up the answer and then come back to the question, rather than take the partisan position of a tory questioning a labour leader. And make an issue out of it.
Because that's not how it works. I agree with you that it's crass but it is what it is.
Corbyn knew what would happen if he didn't have the numbers but he still didn't bother to prepare properly.
As far as I'm concerned this ins't a party political point, as they've all fallen foul of it over the last couple of weeks. And it simply shows the lack of basic competency of many of our politicians. Kind of depressing really.
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I agree he should have known better.gobuchul - MemberCorbyn knew what would happen if he didn't have the numbers but he still didn't bother to prepare properly.
Guess if you are going to accept Corbyn, you are going to have to accept the slightly dithering style.
It's deliberate badgering, why didn't she just give him a few minutes to look up the answer and then come back to the question, rather than take the partisan position of a tory questioning a labour leader. And make an issue out of it.
The video is worse, he picks up some paper, he starts to wind up the iPad, an assistant scampers in with the manifesto
She have him plenty of time to answer hence the space for the heavy breathing? etc
And the rest of the interview wasn't any better
She was hostile for sure- I listened to the whole interview.
He 100% should have had a piece of paper in front of him. Schoolboy error. Corbyn and his team big mistake.
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It is all a bit silly now all this forensic cross examining by journos looking for a "scoop". The politicians should just say they don't have the figures to hand but will supply them after the interview.
Edit: But if it flushes out the racists (as per CFH's post) then perhaps it has some merit.
The politicians should just say they don't have the figures to hand but will supply them after the interview.
For a curve ball question, I would wholeheartedly agree. "Sorry, don't know" is better than an Abbott floundering.
However, for the policy you're launching, no.
How do Corbyn's tinfoil hat brigade figure their insane, paranoid conspiracy theories come across to normal people, who more than occasionally leave their bedrooms?
As for that interview, any politician would know that on announcing any new policy, the very first question - every single time - is going to be 'what's this going to cost?'
The only thing people should be concerned about are the intentions of the parties and base their decision on that. So what if they don't achieve all of the things in a manifesto, the key is what is the manifesto aiming for.
This is all very well, but voters have to decide if the politicians are capable of fulfilling those intentions. That's what all these interviews are all about.
Not convinced that the tinfoil hatters are bothered about any outside their bubble
they also represent a tiny amount even of corbyns support
Latest survation poll has May on a 6 point lead, which would mean Corbyn doing better than Milliband !
INDEPENDENT.CO.UK Live broadcasting is one of the trickiest things you can do. Even well media trained presenters slip up without a teleprompter.
We can't expect anyone to constantly be prepared and articulate all of the time. They're going to falter every now and again. It may be easy sat here on a forum with everything at your disposal to make a point.
I can assume all you lot will be out of a job as soon as you can't remember a figure from memory at work and you have to look it up? 😆
However, for the policy you're launching, no.
Can always take the Tory approach and say "we'll tell you after the election".
I can assume all you lot will be out of a job as soon as you can't remember a figure from memory at work and you have to look it up?
No I wouldn't.
However, if I was sent to sell one thing to a client and when they asked me how much the headline upfront cost was, I couldn't tell them and didn't have the information immediately to hand, then i would look stupid and the client wouldn't be inspired with confidence either.
However, if I was sent to sell one thing to a client and when they asked me how much the headline upfront cost was, I couldn't tell them and didn't have the information immediately to hand, then i would look stupid and the client wouldn't be inspired with confidence either.POSTED 9 SECONDS AGO # REPORT-POST
Especially if one of your colleagues had recently been trying to sell something else to that same client and had come unstuck as well.
There does seem to be disparity here
May was not ridiculed for her claims of 6.8 p a child for breakfast
still corbs knows hes up against this so he should have been on it
meanwhile
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Looks like the 'Team Theresa' has lost it's appeal:
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I wonder if she'll realise the rest of the cabinet from wherever it is they're being held hostage? They won't be allowed to speak or anything, obviously. But maybe just sighted in public? Just for the novelty value
If it's a choice between one person who can't remember a couple of figures when put on the spot and another who has repeatedly refused to give straight answers, can't look ordinary people in the face when approached, has political beliefs that make Cameron look like a paid-up Socialist and has perfected the political U-turn when it suits her, then I'll go with the first option, thank you.
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Theresa May and the Conservatives! Is she going to do a song?
Jeremy Corbyn and the Sympathisers
If it's a choice between one person who can't remember a couple of figures
And turned down the Nobel Peace Prize numerous times over the last twenty years less it detract from his constant #workingforpeace
Rather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
[quote=zokes ]Rather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
[i]brexit means brexit
no deal is better than a bad deal
trust us not him
strong and stable[/i]
just about covers it I think?
Rather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
erradicate the defecit by
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2025
Rather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
That's the glum-bucket thread, don't cross the streams
More homeless,
more dead disabled people
I cant see past these 2 myself and anyone who votes Tory knowing the facts about these things should be ashamed.
So no difference from Labour then once they've scared off private business, increased the amount we are borrowing and its servicing costs and then made lots of people unemployed as part of the state re-nationalisation and resulting efficiency drive.
Do you want the steaming poo or the other steaming poo.
Well apart from the difference that the tory shit has happened and continues to happen. The Labour stuff is just in your head.
The Conservative campaign has meandered from an abortive attempt to launch a personality cult around Mrs May to the self-inflicted wound of the most disastrous manifesto in recent history and, after the atrocity in Manchester, shrill attacks on Mr Corbyn’s appeasement of terrorism.
Yep from your very own George Osborne.
Never liked him but I'm enjoying his revenge.