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No mention of Capital Gains Tax.
No mention of Income Tax or NI contributions bands, rates, thresholds or allowances.
No mention of Dividends Tax.
No mention of Corporation Tax.

Etc.

Plenty of openings for reversing "tax cuts for the rich".

Did you see Mummy being booed out the back door of another building jamba? For a shifty childcatcher-like introvert, this must be difficult for her - she's really not coming across well - you guys must be happy it's only a few more weeks.

In other news, I see the Tories are using the same bus as was used for the Remain campaign. 😆

Inheritance tax has always been seen by the rich as an "optional" tax anyway. The only people who pay it are middle earners who get caught out by the rise in their property values. Anyone with any financial sense and enough money in property to have to pay IHT can easily avoid it if they so wish. Hence pointless including it IMHO.

Inheritance tax has always been seen by the rich as an "optional" tax anyway. The only people who pay it are middle earners who get caught out by the rise in their property values. Anyone with any financial sense and enough money in property to have to pay IHT can easily avoid it if they so wish. Hence pointless including it IMHO.

You forgot to mention farmers getting a free ride, large swathes of land is now used to hedge against inheritance tax as the high net worth crowd catch on

Listened to any questions tonight on y42 and Labour and Corbyn were getting all the applause from the audience, they even seemed to be behind Diane Abbott, the whole tone of it was a welcome surprise

So now they are not reversing the tax cuts for the rich !!!

Then you must be pleased?

I'm getting the impression among my friends that they are pleasantly surprised by the Labour manifesto. I think that Corbyn has been billed as a lunatic communist to such an extent that everyone (myself included) have been pleasantly surprised to see a manifesto made up of sensible policies. It does show how far the country has gone that a free university education is seen as a la-la land policy.

The Tories and mainstream press did such a good job of making him a joke, and to be fair he hasn't done himself many favours, that when he actually presents his ideas they seem pretty workable.

I'm still voting SNP though.

Fingers crossed that producing a manifesto of policies people actually want will prompt a rethink. It would be a great day for democracy if that happened.

I'm still voting SNP though.

Of course, because people might have taken Corbyn seriously for a couple of days, the right wing media have managed to dig up that someone on the Corbyn team (no idea how big the team is) has former ties to a Communist party.
I bet tomorrow, when the manifesto is launched, most of the focus will be on costings and what's changed since the draft, rather than whether the policies are good/popular/well-intentioned/proved to work in other countries or not.

I can't remember the last time the Tories bothered to say where any of their money for policies come from and nobody seems to care.
Seems that Labour are still not managing to dispel the myth of them crashing the economy (Germany crashed harder).

Andrew Murray looks a good hire. For the 6th formers, anyway.

Alex, that notorious right wing media outlet HuffPo are reporting sources saying he's "heading up" the campaign. As a "grown up". 🙂

molgrips - Member
Fingers crossed that producing a manifesto of policies people actually want will prompt a rethink. It would be a great day for democracy if that happened.

good luck with that

apparently Teresa May is more popular than labour, torries or corbyn

despite....
voting for iraq war
go home vans
missing immigration targets for 7 years
abu quatada deportation farce
border security cuts and huge delays
passport office cuts & huge delays
slashing police numbers and pensions- destroying morale
the disastrous paedophile investigation
oh and
being in charge of cybersecurity for 7 years whilst the NHS were running software not updated or supported since 2014!

we get the politicians we deserve

the tories have promised 90bn for the NHS for the next parliament

its that 350m a week

if its not in the manifesto then someone has been lying

😆

I'm still voting SNP though.

Eh? So you spend time extolling the virtues on the Labour manifesto and then proclaim you're? voting for someone else? No wonder we're screwed.

[quote=kimbers ]molgrips - Member
Fingers crossed that producing a manifesto of policies people actually want will prompt a rethink. It would be a great day for democracy if that happened.
good luck with that
apparently Teresa May is more popular than labour, torries or corbyn
despite....
voting for iraq war
go home vans
missing immigration targets for 7 years
abu quatada deportation farce
border security cuts and huge delays
passport office cuts & huge delays
slashing police numbers and pensions- destroying morale
the disastrous paedophile investigation
oh and
being in charge of cybersecurity for 7 years whilst the NHS were running software not updated or supported since 2014!
we get the politicians we deserve

Plus the torture and killing of innocent animals

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Seems that Labour are still not managing to dispel the myth of them crashing the economy

Why bother when Mervyn King roundly dispelled that myth?

And the Labour Party touting, at long last, the Tobin Tax (Robin Hood tax)

We've been extolling the virtues for years in the Green Party.

Yeah, Labour & Tobin tax. Tick.

Junkyard - lazarus

we are all still getting tory then

Wasn't true last time, won't be true this time, or any other time.

Corbyn is still very weak on security, apparently WW2 was the last 'just' war. Yeah good one Jezza, so you were happy with Sadam plundering Kuwait's oil fields then?

His shadow cabinet even know he is weak on it, hence, Thornberry's harder line at the weekend. But does anyone really believe Jeremy could make the hard decision if needed?

Anyone expect TM to be held to account on that voting record in the same way TF was held to account on his gay sin stuff?

Corbyn is still very weak on security

And on that bombshell folks...

But does anyone really believe Jeremy could make the hard decision if needed?

I think, on balance I'd rather have a PM who was reluctant to go to war, rather than one desperate to be remembered for something.

But does anyone really believe Jeremy could make the hard decision if needed?

What hard decision? Defend the country? Of course. Rush into an ill-thought out foreign disaster...?

The FT rightly reporting that tories 'worker's rights' are meaningless if tribunal fees continue to rise under them. Labour is committed to abolishing employment tribunal fees.

Fingers crossed that producing a manifesto of policies people actually want will prompt a rethink. It would be a great day for democracy if that happened.

Any time the will of the electorate is upheld is a good day for democracy. Which ever party wins.

I'm still voting SNP though.

Eh? So you spend time extolling the virtues on the Labour manifesto and then proclaim you're? voting for someone else? No wonder we're screwed.

To be fair, I spent about 30 seconds extolling the virtues of the Labour manifesto so it wasn't a massive commitment. The Labour and SNP manifestos aren't diametrically opposed are they?

I believe that all things being equal small countries are better than big countries so I vote SNP.

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But does anyone really believe Jeremy could make the hard decision if needed?

I'd much rather have a PM who resisted going to war than celebrate how many British Soldiers were killed like the scum does. Of course that wouldn't be 'patriotic' though would it?

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Well, if Saville is the pinnacle of political debate these days....

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Oh...the insight...
The originality...

*faints*

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STRONG AND STABLE

COALITION OF CHAOS!

The NHS is safe in our hands!

Any time the will of the electorate is upheld is a good day for democracy.

The electorate generally wants centre-left policies. The right is able to persuade the electorate to vote for it in spite of what it really wants. Much of the electorate is poorly informed and easily led.

A proper look at most political output shows this in action. They don't discuss policy, they insinuate and manipulate. The winning party would be giving the country what they want, rather than what it wants.

I WILL FIRE MISSILES!

The winning party would be giving the country what they want, rather than what it wants.

And how would the labour party be any different ? They've put out their manifesto. If enough voters like it and think the labour party can deliver Corbyn will be in no.10. Ditto all the parties. I still don't understand how one party winning is better for democracy than another ( in the context of British democracy ).

[quote=deadlydarcy ]I WILL FIRE MISSILES!

#strangest

The electorate generally wants centre-left policies

they want centre right economics and centre left social policies in the main - ie the impossible, low tax, great NHS, reduced red tape and better working conditions etc

^^^ Nail on head

They've put out their manifesto. If enough voters like it and think the labour party can deliver Corbyn will be in no.10. Ditto all the parties. I still don't understand how one party winning is better for democracy than another

You're missing the point. The parties aren't judged on their actual policies. They are judged on who has the most persuasive spin.

That's not how it's meant to work.

Keep repeating the tag lines. Its just like Brexit Referendum all over again. All you are doing is reinforcing the weakness of Labour by bringing the conversation back to rudderless Corbyn.

Molgrips its just blinkered to think Labour's misfortunes are "spin", dangerously so to the extent that line kf thinking will see Labour in the UK look like Labour in Scotland - irrelevant.

More bad news for Labour here as yet more traditional Labour voters move away, Newsnight

rudderless Corbyn

Now they have a manifesto packed with policies how are they rudderless?

You might criticise the funding proposals, that would be fair game, but you're just smearing.

See what I mean taxi25? Jam isn't addressing policies, he's just posting up the negative spin, to try and put people off. Playing mind games.

its a thread on corbyn. what were you expecting to see if not a discussion of him?

He has absolutely no leadership skills, he is the very definition of rudderless. He is un-stable and weak. Hence the Tories use of their tag line.

He has absolutely no leadership skills, he is the very definition of rudderless.

Disagree. Party has a clear direction, so it's not rudderless at all.

He might be a weak leader, and he might struggle to keep MPs in line, but that's different.