Jeremy Corbyn

big_n_daft - well here's some of his economic policies. But no-one gives a shit because Corbyn doesn't do his tie up properly and isn't a Neo-liberal and is therefore insane.

https://www.ft.com/content/fe98b944-83ea-11e6-a29c-6e7d9515ad15

Behind a paywall, i must be left wing if I'm too cheap to pay for my news!!!

Care to cut and paste for the socialists?

Also how would these persist in the world of a "rolling manifesto" as set out by his spokesman on Newsnight?

Some sort of social, democratic party?

The kind that Polly Toynbee would join, sign the Limehouse Declaration and then stand as a a prospective MP for?

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Key points
? “No more Philip Greens”: John McDonnell promised new laws to stop a repeat of the BHS scandal, including a ban on companies taking on excessive debt to pay out dividends
? £10 minimum wage: George Osborne promised a £9 hourly “living wage” by 2020; McDonnell is promising a “real living wage” of at least £10 an hour
? Wealth taxes: McDonnell wants to shift the tax burden from income to wealth. Labour promised a mansion tax at the last election
? £250bn infrastructure plan: McDonnell wants to take advantage of low interest rates to borrow to invest. Jeremy Corbyn speaks of a £500bn infrastructure plan, once private funding taken into account

...and similarities is exactly what mikey74 was asking for.

They're both men, they both have hair (kinda), they're both from western countries, they both went to school - eerie isn't it.

outofbreath you troll constantly - do you [i]really[/i] not realise you're doing it? Even your username sounds trolly - bet you used to have a different one.

Maybe Crbyn is just like Trump

he could sell memberships to his allotment for [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mar-a-lago-donald-trump-florida-weekends-membership-members-list-cost-club-a7621051.html ]£200000 dollars and you could have secret meetings and influence him[/url]

that was a real car crash interview by dawn butler

Understatement. That was possibly the single worst interview I've had the "pleasure" of listening to. Radio 4's PM is a key political radio show, so why roll out an MP to be interviewed who has neither the skills nor knowledge to negotiate relatively tame questioning. Do Labour even realise how damaging this buffoonery is to hopes of swaying undecided electorate? I tell you; it sways them the wrong way.

No more Philip Greens”: John McDonnell promised new laws to stop a repeat of the BHS scandal, including a ban on companies taking on excessive debt to pay out dividends

? £10 minimum wage: George Osborne promised a £9 hourly “living wage” by 2020; McDonnell is promising a “real living wage” of at least £10 an hour

? Wealth taxes: McDonnell wants to shift the tax burden from income to wealth. Labour promised a mansion tax at the last election

? £250bn infrastructure plan: McDonnell wants to take advantage of low interest rates to borrow to invest. Jeremy Corbyn speaks of a £500bn infrastructure plan, once private funding taken into account

Is the private money via PFI's? The Chinese? The Russians?

I was making the point that politicians trying to tap into the populist wave of anti-establishment sentiment is interesting. I understand it's quite a well-established phenomenon after a financial crash. I wasn't trying to have a go at JC by suggesting he's the same as Trump.

b n d i guess you really shouldve attended his speech 😉

theres more detail in there, eg dates and sources of tax revenue

its about as detailed as the tories plan at the moment, well [url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/21/theresa-may-wants-conservative-mps-to-help-write-manifesto ]the ideas vaccuum that is Maybot anyway[/url]

- Claims there's no detail because it's not widely reported and couldn't be bothered to look for it
- Gets detail
- Says it's not detailed enough
- Can't be bothered to look up the more detailed plans which are also out there but hard to find because the MSM isn't interested

But you can find a million and one articles about his haircut, his ties, and whether or not he's singing at some public event or other.

And yet it's all Corbyn's fault that no-one knows what his policies are. Hmmm....

And yet it's all Corbyn's fault that no-one knows what his policies are. Hmmm....

It's extremely important as a leader to make sure your team understand where you're going and how you want to get there. Referring once more to the car crash Dawn Butler interview on PM last night, she failed to talk about policies despite being asked - politely - several times. If your team can't articulate policies effectively, you have to have a bit of a look at your leadership. A completely wasted opportunity, and I hope for Labour's sake it is not as damaging to them as it felt whilst I was [s]cringing[/s] listening to it.

It's extremely important as a leader to sure your team understand where you're going and how you want to get there. Referring once more to the car crash Dawn Butler interview on PM last night, she failed to talk about policies despite being asked - politely - several times. If your team can't articulate policies effectively, you have to have a bit of a look at your leadership. A completely wasted opportunity, and I hope for Labour's sake it is not as damaging to them as it felt whilst I was cringing listening to it.

problem with 'snap' elections

no ones got a manifesto ready, not even the Tories

@kimbers - Grum is saying the policies are there for all to see in the public domain.

see I said Corbyn would do well, if he keeps of Brexit and hammers home the NHS and Tax dodging issues he'll do well.

well its not hard to figure out

labour
raise minimum wage, go after tax dodgers, tax rich more, scarp 0hours, invest in infrastructure & NHS, renationalise railways

same as you can figure out tory one
close libraries, demoralise and run down NHS ready for full privatisation, tax breaks for the rich, cut benefits, force people to use food banks, usual pledge to cut immigration

both with the usual helpings of stuff pensioners like to hear

I fully endorse Corb's policies. However he's really buggering up the communication and leadership part of it, sadly.

- Can't be bothered to look up the more detailed plans which are also out there but hard to find because the MSM isn't interested

They were interested last night, they kept asking for them, and again and again

@kimbers - Grum is saying the policies are there for all to see in the public domain.

He can link to a paywall article in the FT which sets out the FT analysis but not to anything else

Or is that because it is a "rolling manifesto" ?

He can link to a paywall article in the FT which sets out the FT analysis but not to anything else

Ah so it's Corbyn/McDonnell's fault that the media doesn't bother to report major policy announcements they make?

Ah so it's Corbyn/McDonnell's fault that the media doesn't bother to report major policy announcements they make?

Can you list the ones not reported by the media please, there must be a significant number so it should be easy

Can you list the ones not reported by the media please, there must be a significant number so it should be easy

Well there's that one I linked to that you claimed didn't exist for starters.

tbf since the election campaign was announced ( a whole 4 days ago) the media have been reporting his policies

perhaps because May hasnt released any info about hers?

Since she's taken over, she's specialised in not telling anyone anything at all. Brexit means Brexit

Well there's that one I linked to that you claimed didn't exist for starters.

The only link i can spot is to the FT, call me old fashioned but aren't they the media?

So what policy announcements[b] haven't [/b] been reported by the media? There must be lots, so it should be easy.....

steady on guys she is a christian who hates immigration and will stop it even though it was her job in the home office to do this

THIS TIME SHE MEANS IT

Ok so she might cripple the economy in the process, antagonise world leaders but by god those foreigners wont be coming here in the numbers they were so we can all* feel safer

* all mainly means the old right wing racist morons who prop up the tory party

The only link i can spot is to the FT, call me old fashioned but aren't they the media?

So what policy announcements haven't been reported by the media? There must be lots, so it should be easy.....

Are you being deliberately obtuse or just trolling? So one article in a paywalled paper is the media giving reasonable coverage to a major policy announcement?

If your team can't articulate policies effectively, you have to have a bit of a look at your leadership.

Other than bringing back the 1950s concept of grammar schools and GETTING THE JOB DONE on brexit I have no idea what May's policies are. Conversely I know that Corbyn's policy ideas (waiting for manifesto so not policies yet) are:

- Renationalising the railways
- Free school meals for primary school children
- Increase carers allowance
- £10 minimum wage
- Democratisation of the Bank of England
- National Education Service
- Green and Regional Investment banks
- Public Service Providers to be required to have defined maximum pay ratios
- 6 tests for accepting brexit deal
- Scrapping tuition fees
- Reverse corporation tax cuts

I could go on but that will suffice. You can argue about whether these are good or bad policies or how they might be funded, but they look a lot more like policies than 'red white and blue brexit' and all the other drivel that spews from the mouth of Chairman May.

It's not hard to find Labour's Top 10 pledges ("policy ideas") on the [url= http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/10-pledges ]Labour website[/url]. Dazh has found 11 🙂 I'm still gobsmacked that Labour sent a completely unprepared MP onto Radio 4 who didn't mention one of these. Maybe they've all been instructed to keep quiet when asked about policies (as opposed to pledges) until the manifesto is out. If that's the case, best to keep them locked away rather than make an idiot of themselves (and Labour).

It's not hard to find Labour's Top 10 pledges ("policy ideas") on the Labour website

I've just tried searching google for 'conservative policies' and the top 3 results are from 2015 🙂

There seems to be another car crash interview unfolding on the Daily Politics from the Labour Schools minister.

He wants reduced class sizes but can't put a figure on it. Apparently it's all going to be announced next week along with costings so why try and sell it this week FFS if you can't give any answers.

Sigh.

What do you think about this big_n_daft?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

Presumably all Corbyn's fault too?

So this morning Corbyn has confirmed that labour will abolish zero-hours contracts and Chairman May has emailed her MPs to ask for ideas to put in their manifesto. So remind me again which party has no policies?

Dazh - apparently it's going to be a 'rolling' manifesto from Labour. Which I hope doesn't basically involve annoucing some policy, getting ridiculed and then 're-announcing' an improvement.

Dazh - apparently it's going to be a 'rolling' manifesto from Labour.

Great idea. It maintains momentum and keeps them in the news. I'm almost beginning to think labour have some sort of strategy. And so far CM has been conspicuously absent.

Which I hope doesn't basically involve annoucing some policy, getting ridiculed

[url= https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/85102/poll-shows-public-support-jeremy ]Presumably not by the majority of people who actually agree with them?[/url]

I reckon this has been the plan all along..

The Eton mafia realise that they're losing their grip and that folk are demanding a fairer more transparent form of government..

They put up Corbyn to lead society into a new dawn but hadn't figured on the press corps sabotage, so they've given us another year of outrageous Tory evil just to focus the collective consciousness..

Brexit was an anomaly as nobody had forseen the low IQ of the populace, but the new fairer society is back on track as Corbs romps in on June 8th.. Good times! 🙂

I wish people would stop believing that the plan isn't already very clearly laid out!

> http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

Presumably all Corbyn's fault too?

Can't see the right wingers on here believing that as the analysis was LSE (a well known bunch of lefties). They can't be trusted...

Dazh - apparently it's going to be a 'rolling' manifesto from Labour. Which I hope doesn't basically involve annoucing some policy, getting ridiculed and then 're-announcing' an improvement.

To be fair, as a practice it's not restricted to one party

Once the plan has been actuated, all that left/right nonsense will be consigned to the history books..
With all the info harvested from the net about your average citizen, the algorithms have concluded that the only people still interested in that sort of divisive nonsense are ageing radical types with very little perspective or purpose in their lives..

Sounds great, yunki!

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Renationalise railways? Not a hope; it would be a multi-year programme which would not be completed in a 5 year term. The rail operating companies (ROCs) have different durations & end dates; there is no universal 'break clause'. All rolling stock is owned by the operators. What about the freight operators (FOCs)?
IF labour wins and attempts to implement the ROCs & TOCs will freeze investment. Good news for Bombardier in derby and Toshiba(?) in newton aycliffe.

Democratise the BoE. What does that mean?
The existing Green bank is being sold to MacQuarrie.
Reverse corporation tax cuts? Small company formations in uk are increasing steadily. Owners moving from employed to self-employed; they won't vote for increased corporation tax.
Public service providers & max pay ratios - how? Increase low pay or reduce high pay or some combination? Either increase costs or risk losing 'talent'.
National Education Service; which means...what? Top down imposition of one size fits all 'policy'.

Without some detail to explain/support any of these and the others in dazh's list these are nothing more than words in a bulleted list.

When will any leading politician address the elephant in the room - the NHS with a constructive and focussed attitude?
A grown-up and non-political discussion about what we want from the NHS - what are we willing to pay and then live with the best that level of funding can provide OR what service do we need now - and will need over the next 30/40 years - cost it and then look at how it can be funded.
No stealth sales to private companies.

ageing radical types with very little perspective or purpose in their lives..

Take offence at that. I have loads of perspective.

Fantastic article in the Staggers:

http://www.newstatesman.com/labour-bus-jeremy-corbyn-memes

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Moaning about media bias and journalist pointing out JC has highly dubious "friends" is unfair???

Then states

Surveys consistently show that a very large majority of UK citizens (and by extension newspaper and TV audiences) do not trust politicians and journalists at all – a mere 20-25 per cent of people believe that [b]journalists [/b]and politicians tell the truth.

So moaning about stuff that people don't believe????

Journalists – and the media organisations they represent – have an ethical and dare I say democratic obligation to address this high degree of distrust.

No obligation on politicians then??

Article would have got red penned to death if presented by a student

Moaning about media bias and journalist pointing out JC has highly dubious "friends" is unfair???

As I've already pointed out, when Tory hero Margaret Thatcher has much worse friends, and our government is toadying up to literally some of the worst rulers in the world, then yes it is completely unfair to harp on about him as if he's some kind of terrorist-supporter. Pinochet killed thousands, tortured thousands more, locked up thousands more without trial - Maggie considered him a great friend even after all this became public knowledge.

So moaning about stuff that people don't believe????

People don't trust journalists but they still set the agenda for what is considered 'news'.

No obligation on politicians then??

Whataboutery.

Article would have got red penned to death if presented by a student

Why?

Margaret Thatcher has much worse friends

Does she?

CFH why do you even bother posting in these threads when all you do is troll?

Fine, 'had' - well done, great point, really well made. *sigh*