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Funny! 😀
Jezza's issued a statement condemning the American air strikes on Syria.I wonder if he does it consciously, or whether it just happens automatically on a kind of default, auto-pilot setting?
As opposed to the knee-jerk response of being happy that Somebody Did Something? I don't see blowing up a couple of sheds in the middle of a desert as being particularly likely to change anything for the better, do you?
IFS says free school meals help the deprived. It does not provide any evidence to suggest that the same benefit is delivered in a non-means tested approach of free school meals for everyone
What I thought I heard on the radio was that the IFS said
a) that the trials had been run in 2 "deprived" areas
b) they showed benefits even for kids not on free school meals in those areas
c) they did not know why that might be the case
As opposed to the knee-jerk response of being happy that Somebody Did Something? I don't see blowing up a couple of sheds in the middle of a desert as being particularly likely to change anything for the better, do you?
Well, given the fact that CW were used last week it is clear the alternative course of action didn't work very well, did it?
Thank goodness it's a binary situation and bombing one bad hombre won't help other bad hombres in the region. But at least there'll be no more chemical weapon attacks.
Well, given the fact that CW were used last week it is clear the alternative course of action didn't work very well, did it?
I'm sure that you, of all people, don't need the logical faults in that posting to be pointed out?
BBC1 just now...
Should you start off a Labour party election broadcast by saying that there has been "a Tory jobs bonanza" with more people in work than ever before ?
Should you start off a Labour party election broadcast by saying that there has been "a Tory jobs bonanza" with more people in work than ever before ?
Is this a trick question?
Nope they really did.
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But then they got it slightly wrong when they described their plan to borrow £500,000,000,000 as "investment".
Right now there are a bunch of labour staffers manically running around trying to get Jezza away from his allotment and showered and dressed before any tv cameras find him 🙂
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I suspect that they are trying to find him a dry pair of trousers as well.
He's in brum today apparently. I'll have a look down by the canals at lunch.
Found
BREAKINGCorbyn 'welcomes PM's decision'Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says: "I welcome the Prime Minister's decision to give the British people the chance to vote for a government that will put the interests of the majority first."
I think I just met jezza, well I gave a tramp a few quid so it might have been him.
He's got 8 weeks to come up with his resignation speech.
Do not underestimate Corbyn and friends. As mentioned on another thread. If you take out the noise from Brexit what have the Tories got to shout about? Things are not going so well.
Don't underestimate him? What planet are you living on?
The Tory press have pretty much ignored Jez up until this point, working on the principle 'give him enough rope'. They are now going to set about him in the most vicious manner imaginable.
Expect to hear a lot of stuff about Hamas, the IRA, communism, refusing to sing the national anthem, and all manner of things. His past, and every statement he's ever made, is the richest cache of weapons they could ever have dreamt of. In the offices of the Sun, the Mail, the Express, the Times and the Torygraph they are presently pissing their pants with glee at what they're about to unleash on labour
Jezza truly is all their birthdays and christmases come at once. Labour are already 21% behind the Tories in 2 separate polls over the last week
Its going to be a bloodbath!
Hey, maybe he'll stay on after the election. He has the mandate after all!
It will certainly be an interesting few weeks now the gloves are off.
As mentioned on another thread. If you take out the noise from Brexit what have the Tories got to shout about?
It's irrelevant. This is a single issue election. Jezza's just been on the telly (only took an hour and 20 mins to get him showered and suited) and he's already missing the goal, banging on about the NHS, housing, justice etc. It's admirable and he's right to raise these issues, but the only thing anyone cares about is brexit. Brexit supporters want to be reassured it's not going to be watered down, remainers want reassurance that there is a plan and it's not going to end in disaster, yet Corbyn has nothing to say about it. The tories and libdems will be talking about nothing else.
Nope I recon the NHS is the right message. He should not get onto Brexit.
That's the problem with being in favour of Brexit but too afraid to actually come out and say it.
double bubble
Nope I recon the NHS is the right message. He should not get onto Brexit.
You are Jeremy Corbyn's campaign manager and I claim my funny little hat 😆
Nope I recon the NHS is the right message. He should not get onto Brexit.
Yeh, but what about the 350 million a week?
He can't avoid it on the doorstep or anywhere else. NHS/Jobs/Immigration/Workers Rights/Defence - they are all Brexit issues.
Even if they weren't, do you think the electorate would not be interested in how a Labour Government might approach the most important political change for many decades? This is the main job of work for any incoming government.
He should not get onto Brexit.
So he shouldn't mention the biggest issue of the day and the main reason the election was called? People already think he's out of touch, if they don't have a clear and simple policy on brexit and aren't ready to aggressively promote/defend it then people will see that as them effectively boycotting the campaign. Their only chance is to decide whether they are for or against brexit, and then campaign aggressively for whatever their position is.
Funny tweet from editor of the Economist, on the announcement that Lynton Crosby has been retained to lead the election fight for the tories against Corbyn: "this is the point in the boxing match at which normally the referee steps in to save the loser" 😀
Do not underestimate Corbyn and friends.
You do understand that each time Jezza gets up to speak at PMQs it is the conservative MPs that cheer and laugh ?
There is a rule, so obvious it doesn't need writing down, that all conservatives keep their hands off Jezza. There hasn't been a single one that has attacked him, because he is the best recruiting sergeant the conservatives have got.
Well, they know that he won't be around for the next election, so their dossiers containing every moronic thing that he has ever said and done, every vicious group he has championed - they are getting dusted off.
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Its going to be a giggle.
EDIT:
There will be a fair few labour people quietly happy at the upcoming election, not the MPs that are going to need to find another job perhaps, but many who will see that the annihilation of the hard left in the election is a chance to start afresh.
Ultimately, that rebuilding of the labour party will be good for the conservative party and the country - a government needs a semi-competent opposition to bring out its best and make it stop and think about what it is doing from time to time.
Funny tweet from editor of the Economist, on the announcement that Lynton Crosby has been retained to lead the election fight for the tories against Corbyn: "this is the point in the boxing match at which normally the referee steps in to save the loser"
Lovely to see they glee with which you announce that one of the most cynical arseholes in politics will be employed to use underhand tactics to harass and bully a fundamentally decent man. Just goes to show the Tory mindset really.
Nope I recon the NHS is the right message. He should not get onto Brexit.
You are Jeremy Corbyn's campaign manager and I claim my funny little hat
And you sir are Neil Coyle MP, this will be another official complaint against you.
Nope I recon the NHS is the right message.
Because it worked so well at the last two elections?
Lovely to see they glee with which you announce that one of the most cynical arseholes in politics will be employed to use underhand tactics to harass and bully a fundamentally decent man.
They don't need to do that, they just need to publish Corbyn's and McDonnell's public statements from the last 30 years
youtube is going to be hammered with the research they have been doing
Just goes to show the Tory mindset really
you have never experienced a Lib Dem byelection campaign have you, they make everyone else look like Mother Theresa
"They don't need to do that, they just need to publish Corbyn's and McDonnell's public statements from the last 30 years"
This.
[url= http://newsthump.com/2017/04/18/jeremy-corbyn-uncertain-which-way-to-vote-in-the-forthcoming-election/ ]http://newsthump.com/2017/04/18/jeremy-corbyn-uncertain-which-way-to-vote-in-the-forthcoming-election/[/url]
ninfan - Member
Nope I recon the NHS is the right message.
Because it worked so well at the last two elections?
tbf the tories have done a brilliant job bringing it to its knees now
grum - Member
Lovely to see they glee with which you announce that one of the most cynical arseholes in politics will be employed to use underhand tactics to harass and bully a fundamentally decent man. Just goes to show the Tory mindset really.
Has anyone popped in today to remind us how ugly Diane Abbott is?
Not had that for a few days....
So if Labour lose, will Corbyn's mandate mean he is morally obliged to remain as leader for the 2022 general election? If so he's committed to be in parliament 'till 2027 which, given his age, can't be a very pleasant prospect.
If he can lose and stand down in June then that at least gets him out of being in parliament 'till 2025 as he would have been with a 2020 election.
So this Election could be really good news for Corbyn - his way out.
Makes me laugh this idea that most people vote with high minded ideals and it will win through, not IME.
It's usually a combination of self interest and someone else getting a kick up the arse.
Labour better decide which self interests they are going to champion and who's getting the kick up the arse.
@kimbers, damn that increased spending on the NHS
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Newsnight tonight wouldn't have made good watching for Labour supporters. Abbott and Thornbury on the BBC today talking up the campaign shows the real problem Labour face.
C'mon Jamby, dusting off that old nominal-value spending graph? There's been quite a bit of inflation in the UK over the years, did you forget?
You're better than that.
My guess, and it is a guess, maybe 20% are very pro Brexit similar anti. There is a big group who really don't care much either way. That is the group who matter, they are the ones who will look at their wallets and will kick off if they get poorer. For labour they are the ones where they have a chance to take a non Brexit message.
oldnpastit - Member
C'mon Jamby, dusting off that old nominal-value spending graph? There's been quite a bit of inflation in the UK over the years, did you forget?
He will keep getting out the same graphs that he thinks supports his ideas.
Spending and outcomes are not aligned, spending increases are not keeping up with needs, ageing populations mean an increase in the costs above the rate of pay ins. It's almost as if poor Jamby has never seen the back of a health care system and believes whatever the Tory party tell him.
There's been quite a bit of inflation in the UK over the years, did you forget?
You raise a good point. Inflation in health costs is running at 4% (ageing population and more expensive treatment). So an increase of 20%+ every 5 year Parliament. No political party is addressing that challenge. Also Defence costs are rising faster than nominal inflation but spending there has been approximately flat since 1980's
Labour being stuck in the 1970's believe "the NHS" is solid election winning ground for them. Now it may be if they where remotely credible elsewhere, but they are not.
Binners and I agree on this point that Labour are 20% behind in the polls without being attaked by Tories. Its going to be brutal, in some respects I feel sorry for Corbyn he is going to be crushed and totally humiliated.
Some MPs will be voting for a GE partly so Labour can ne heavily defeated and a new leader elected
The conservatives might be brutal towards Jezza, Labour definitely will:
[url= http://https://order-order.com/2017/04/18/woodcock-cant-endorse-corbyn-still-time-stand/ ]https://order-order.com/2017/04/18/woodcock-cant-endorse-corbyn-still-time-stand/[/url]
The trick for the conservatives will be deciding on how much of a kicking they give him - enough to destroy him without making him look too much like a (terrorist loving ) victim.
enough to destroy him without making him look too much like a (terrorist loving ) victim.
terrorist lover is a strange one really, some very genuine comments after Martin Mcguinness died, you don't make peace with your friends. Without dialogue there would have been no peace and somebody has to take that chance. History will judge
Without dialogue there would have been no peace and somebody has to take that chance.
It wasn't dialog though, was it, it was enthusiastically supporting the act of terrorism:
[i]It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.[/i]
And if he thinks bombs and bullets have brought Britain to the negotiating table once, does he think the the act of Khalid Masood might also bring Britain to the negotiating table?
That one quote would have finished any other Uk politician. These guys have been saying (and doing) mental things for decades when they were backbenchers and nobody was watching - we're going to hear them all played back during this election.