Jeremy Corbyn

"The source material for the JC policies (which is the question asked) was from the Jeremy Corbyn Leadership campaign last summer."

The leader doesn't dictate policy, it has to be agreed with the party. I would question if anything on that list is current policy.

...but I'm still interested in what people think the minimum legal contract working hours should be.

It's not the number of hours - it's the denial of a contract to those that seek it.
i.e. Currently all the benefits of zero-hours contracts are with the employer.

So you need something in place to prevent workers from being exploited. e.g. if you've worked X hours a week for Y weeks on zero-hours, then you should be offered a contract/permanent position.
i.e. go from the status of 'worker' to 'employee'.

Last time I heard, over 30% of people on zero hours contracts work 30 hours a week or more.

(Ed Milliband proposed that Y=12 weeks)

"It's not the number of hours - it's the denial of a contract to those that seek it.
i.e. Currently all the benefits of zero-hours contracts are with the employer.
So you need something in place to prevent workers from being exploited. e.g. if you've worked X hours a week for Y weeks on zero-hours, then you should be offered a contract/permanent position.
i.e. go from the status of 'worker' to 'employee'.
Last time I heard, over 30% of people on zero hours contracts work 30 hours a week or more.
(Ed Milliband proposed that Y=12 weeks)"

So after zero hour contracts have been abolished, zero hours contracts will still be available and perfectly legal.

Interesting use of the word 'abolish'.

So do you want them to stay?
Do you like the proposal?
Or are you just trying to score points?

I was in the pub with a Government Mandarin the other day who is leaving to pastures new, so was slighly indiscreet. He said they don't even bother preparing Ministers for Labour front bench questions anymore as they are an irrelvance, they focus on the SNP and backbenchers.

I think anyone who didn't know who anyone was, watching PMQ's, would come away with the impression that the SNP were definitely the official opposition, and the bumbling bloke, mumbling into the despatch box, never once looking up from the notes he's clearly reading word for word, was just the stand-in representative from some fringe lefty group.

For the last 12 months, the only MP's Theresa May has had to worry about are either Scottish, or sat behind her. Its a tragedy for democracy really. Good job theres not much of any importance going on, that really, really needs an effective opposition to keep in check eh?

So do you want them to stay?

Yes.

As I understand it, it used to be that workers didn't require a contract. So casual workers just didn't bother with a contract and so zero hours contracts didn't exist. Then some legislation changed (was it the working hours rules?) and everyone had to have a contract by law. Because of that casual workers needed contracts, but they stated 0 hours.

So now, if contracts are legally required, but you don't want to ban casual work altogether then you have to pick a minimum.

What minimum do you pick? Make minimum contracts 1 minute? 1 hour? 16 hours? 37 hours?

So yeah I want 0 hours contracts to remain legal. ...and I'm willing to bet that when Corbyn sits down and thinks about it for more than 60 seconds he will understand the problem and he will too.

Kick profit makers out of the NHS. So no;

Medicines or Medical Equipment

Shall I go on ?

oob - I'll rephrase. Do you want the balance of employer/worker rights and advantages to stay as they are with regard to employer responsibilities for people currently working under zero hour contracts?

Kick profit makers out of the NHS. So no;

Medicines or Medical Equipment

Shall I go on ?

You've already missed the point, so don't bother.

Extra clue: nobody will actually "kick" anybody or anything - it's a figure of speech.

i.e. Currently all the benefits of zero-hours contracts are with the employer.

Not entirely true. I have a second job and am on a zero hours contract. I only work 13-15 days a year for this second job and it works brilliantly for me, and employer also.

I get some some extra play money occasionally and my secondary employer can fill in the occasional need in a niche market.

That's not to say some people are being screwed over on zero hours minimum wage. What could perhaps work better was to state that zero hours contracts must be supplied at least 2x minimum wage...

- it's a figure of speech.

No, it's one of "Jeremy Corbyn's Policies". Says so at the top of the list.

What could perhaps work better was to state that zero hours contracts must be supplied at least 2x minimum wage...

"it's a figure of speech."

"I'll rephrase."

jonnyboi was right.

Corbyn was the only one with policies in the leadership contests. You can pretend otherwise (and yes he has turned out crap) but its the truth.

I just saw Len mcklusky at Euston station.

Fair play to him a blind guy, cane and everything was getting buffeted about in the concourse by 1000 important commuters and he came up and offered to help the guy find his train.

Really wish I'd asked him what he was going to do about corbyn tho

Fair play to him a blind guy, cane and everything was getting buffeted about in the concourse by 1000 important commuters and he came up and offered to help the guy find his train.

Is this a metaphor?

Is this a metaphor?

for helping corbyn find his way/the exit 😀
wasnt intended as such, Im brutally hungover today and incapable of going that deep

its just what happened, to my shame Id seen the guy and decided I didnt have time to help as Id miss my train 😳

Len probably did not need your help anyway 😉

Is this a metaphor?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39498275

The rule they used seems to be a complete catch all: "no member of the party shall engage in conduct which in the opinion of the NEC is prejudicial, or in any act which in the opinion of the NEC is grossly detrimental to the party"

Allows the NEC to make any arbitrary decision.

Mental, IMHO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/jess-philips-mp-compares-jeremy-corbyn-black-knight-monty-pythons/

"It's only a flesh wound"

"At the moment Len (McCluskey's) said 15 months, so I mean he's our boss apparently"

Funny because it's true.

Jezz blaming the messenger. He is a little tetchy, did he burn his fingers making jam ?

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He's had his mate Kens little 'Hitler was a Zionist' thing to sort out. Given his previous form he probably just wondered what all the fuss was about.

And he's got the biggest issue presently facing the country to attend too....

The Unite leadership election.

It's no wonder he's being a bit short with people

Never mind that what both he and Ken Livingstone said is true - the truth doesn't matter any more.

When the story is you (and your disastrous poll ratings), and not what you're saying (or trying and failing to say) its time to go.

Unfortunately, given his pig-headed, denial-of-reality mindset, when Labour is absolutely decimated at the local elections next month, I'm sure he'll just blame the press/weather/lack of car ownership again and carry on regardless. Marching on to the socialist uplands/electoral oblivion.

I'll also have a side bet on him claiming ownership of Andy Burnhams dead cert Manchester Mayoral election victory, at which point my irony meter will explode 😆

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I've come round to thinking he should go too, but only because of the dire state of out national media making it impossible for him to do his job. I look forward to seeing who Labour try to blame when they install some vapid Blairite and discover it isn't a magic route to electoral success.

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Don't know what I'm doing here
I'll carry on regardless
Got enough money for one more beer
I'll carry on regardless

Good as gold, but stupid as mud
He'll carry on regardless
They'll bleed his heart 'til there's no more blood
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I look forward to seeing who Labour try to blame when they install some vapid Blairite and discover it isn't a magic route to electoral success.

Tenner says they do exactly what you've just done and blame the media for everything.

I don't blame the media for everything. Corbyn isn't perfect by any means. But for a functioning democracy we need to have a fair, balanced and responsible national media. If you think that's what we've got then you're an idiot, frankly.

There is academic research backing up the ludicrously one-sided treatment he receives in the press, it's not just a lefty conspiracy theory.

I've come round to thinking he should go too, but only because of the dire state of out national media making it impossible for him to do his job.

So just given more favourable media coverage of his supreme political prowess, towering leadership qualities, and clear and concise vision, and fully costed policies for the future of the country, Labour would be sailing ahead in the polls? Instead of a full 19 points behind the Tory's, and at their lowest ratings since 1983?

Lets see how well they do when he quits/is ousted eh binners? That will be the Labour glory you're describing presumably.

Yep, that's it. It's those nasty media types

making it impossible for him to do his job

It certainly isn't that he's not up to doing the job, not at all. It's all the media's fault that he can't do it.

grum - even if Corbyn falls on his sickle, the momentum/entrists inside the labour camp now will only replace him with another nut job, not a vapid blairite (who may well be more electable).

"There is academic research backing up the ludicrously one-sided treatment he receives in the press"

It's one sided because he genuinely is terrible at his job. Trump gets the same. Unbiased doesn't mean 50/50 positive and negative.

The aids virus doesn't get much positive press - is that a stitch-up too?

He might get better media coverage if his press office actually got out their reaction releases before the media's deadlines - often takes them a day when LibDems manage to produce something within a couple of hours.

What Stoner said. The Momentum half-wits are busy trying to change the rules further in their favour so that any potential leadership candidate only needs the support of 5% of the parliamentary party.

Thats ambition for you eh?

They're doing this as they know that none of their favoured muppets has a hope of getting the present 15% support from within their own party. Never mind win a general election!

So what will we have to look forward to next, I wonder, from our 6th form socialist revolutionaries? Our next female PM..... Dianne Abbott? 😆

mefty - Member

He might get better media coverage if his press office actually got out their reaction releases before the media's deadlines - often takes them a day when LibDems manage to produce something within a couple of hours.

Ill do VAT another time!!

Bit late with this one, sorry. But you can't just exclude VAT from a tax system to make the overall point about a tax system.

Actually the person who said that clarified that the leader's office were very quick.

It wasn't based on a quote it was based on a litany of tweets by political journalists trying to get reaction before they filed their pieces. Here is a recent example

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And another

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Its a bizarre contradiction, isn't it? Day to day incompetence, endless procrastination, and a failure to understand how things actually function in the real world? It's not something you generally associate with lefties like Jezza

The media clearly has a large bearing on success of a party. As the majority of media is Tory then whoever is Labour leader will get represented only negatively.

Those who don't think the media are anti labour, do you honestly think the media would back a labour leader even if they were the best leader the world has ever seen?

The only time Labour tend to get in is when the Tories have managed to really piss everyone off or when people realise what they are up to and the negative impact it is having on them.
I am guessing that will be around 2025/2030

Those who don't think the media are anti labour, do you honestly think the media would back a labour leader even if they were the best leader the world has ever seen?

This is the thing - if Labour had a leader who had the exact same principles/policies as JC but was more efficient, media-friendly or whatever, does anyone honestly believe the press would give them fair coverage? It's conform to our nasty bigoted heartless capitalist worldview or **** off, basically.