Seriously @jambayla..you really do peddle lies and use emotive language for your own ideology...."Uncontrolled immigration in UK" (a complete lie)...FFS stop using language that stirs up hatred and racism...you should be ashamed of yourself.
A general election ?
Onwards to [s]hiding behind a glass door[/s] victory comrades!
Onwards to [s]hiding behind a glass door[/s] victory comrades!
Only difference I see between him and the present/last leader of the blue team is that he doesn't have a brace of suited heavies with earpieces to get rid of the journalist and a blacked-out Rangie at hand to escape in.
These days you can't expect much when you [s]ambush[/s]put any politician on the spot, I wouldn't expect any different from May, nether would I judge her for refusing to comment and not launching into some carefully scripted response as she would if interviewed on telly.
I remeber when that guy - COOK was it - who used to ambush folk in restaurants and at home about things had it done to him on an evening out with his wife- he went absolutely mental
As they said no questions, the reporter was pushy they repeated their point and its all Corbyns fault
Jambyland is truly delusionalMomentum's Stalinist purge is alive and well
Do you actually know what the word purge means in that context?- it generally referred to as the great terror now FWIW and over 1 million people lost their lifes- really this is waht he is doing
FFS has anyone even been expelled from the party for opposing him never mind killed? get a grip you make the DM look rational, liberal and sensible.
Its like me accusing israel of a holocaust in terms of offensive though of course its a lot less true than that claim.
Actually the easiest way to show people that immigrants are not the devils portrayed by UKIP et al is to get them talking to each other. Do that an people quickly realise that they are no different to themselves.
Ah, you mean by delibaretly encouraging mass immigration in order to rub the rights nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date?
Another Labour Party policy[url= https://web.archive.org/web/20150423154939/http://www.standard.co.uk/news/dont-listen-to-the-whingers--london-needs-immigrants-6786170.html ]*[/url] that worked out well, eh?
@eden that's the approach that lost the referendum and made polls misleading as people just keep their views to themselves and express them at the ballot box. When someone expresses a genuine and legitimate concern and they are called a racist etc from being intimidated they say FU and don't come back. We have firm data from Germany, €750m a year in unemployment benefits to non-German EU citizens. That's why Germany is passing a law which says no benefits for 5 years.
Another Labour Party policy* that worked out well, eh?
WTF are you talking about? Funny how in places where there are lots of immigrants, it's generally not seen as a problem, yet in places where people are mostly white, for some reason everyone's very concerned about it. I wonder why that is?
racism is about fear not facts and no one does an absence of facts [ or immigrant based fear] to the levels of he.
Sam Harris on Trump and "The Left" in the US. Lessons for Labour here IMHO. Junky you really should take this onboard and work out way of confronting it. Your and many others Plan A is not working.
Nature of the Beast, or Dennis Skinner the Movie 🙂
They are looking for funding to get it finished
http://dennisskinnerfilm.co.uk
I'm surprised nobody picked up on the video of John McDonnell talking in 2012 that surfaced earlier this week. One bit that really hit me was this:
"someone written a slogan on a wall"
Whose wall? A wall of a private individual or company? A wall of a public building? Who is he suggesting should pay to clear it up? Does he think there should be increased state funded wall cleaning for increased vandalism or does he think that random individuals and businesses should clear it up? He really needs to provide a lot more detail.
Also he said that the establishment would be retaliating by locking people up and the imprisoned people should be supported. Does he really think that the Judiciary exists to get revenge? Isn't it equally (more) likely that people in prison have broken the law? If he thinks the judiciary is currently so utterly corrupt, why isn't he saying so more clearly?
If he gets in to power will he expect the judiciary to behave as some kind of revenge squad for people *he* doesn't like? Or will they stop doing it if he's in power.
When someone expresses a fake and illlegitimate concern and they are called a racist etc
order is restored - anecdotes aside, the concerns were neither genuine not legitimate, hence the only conclusion is that they are driven at the very leasr by xenophobia and perhaps beyond that racism. There is not other logical answer to people ignoring the facts.
"the concerns were neither genuine not legitimate,"
Remind me how well that line of argument worked for the Remain campaign?
You have to make the case. You have to go to the village dwarfed by a 5000 house new development in what used to be fields and explain to them that growth is good because their area is now 30 times richer than when it was fields.
...and if you can't you might have to accept that growth isn't good for everyone.
Let's take Antarctica. Economically 300,000,000 people moving there would be terrific. Would you support that? Why not? Are you racist?
It's a completely false dichotomy that you have to be either in favour of economic growth or racist. There's a good case for remaining in the EU as it is. If remainers had simply made the case instead of ducking the whole thing and needlessly peddling logical fallacy after logical fallacy then the required 2pc might well have voted the other way and this **** would never have happened.
That's quite some deviation from the topic at hand/what I said?
The concerns about [b]immigration [/b]is what I am talking about - all of which were easily falsified.
Yes, it worked out badly for Remain - people prefer false solutions and lies. Have you missed what is currently going on in the world?
I've noticed that you make a lot of claims for this and that in several different threads from time to time, thm, but you never back them up with any evidence.
Why is this?
It's not a deviation.
Feel free to pick me up on them Woppit, because that is untrue. I have posted the facts with links on this issue multiple times - just bored with the xenophobes who dont want to/cant face the truth
Try the Nasty Tories thread today and the ONS labour market stats....
It is - you have created a different debate about growth and "argued" against that. I didn't even mention the word - ergo, a deviation
anyway whats this got to do with old Jezza? His twitter account is more focused on blocking abusive tweets
It is - you have created a different debate about growth and "argued" against that. I didn't even mention the word - ergo, a deviation
Your argument was that because positive net immigration brought growth the only reason to oppose it was racism.
The concerns about immigration is what I am talking about - all of which were easily falsified.
Go on then. I'll provide one immigration concern and you debunk it for me. Immigration concern: Positive net immigration increases population.
Your argument was that because positive net immigration brought growth the only reason to oppose it was racism.
No it wasnt - so I see why you are confused
Immigration. We are in tough times and have been since 2008. More and more people is making the situation worse not better. I think a big part of the Leave vote recognised that whilst controlling/reducing immigration may not make things better it would stop them getting worse. Immigration was perhaps 1/3rd of the Referendum issue.
@outofbreath - No one is really paying attention to Labour, I watch and read a lot of news and tbh when McDonnell comes on I just get up and do something else. He is irrelevant. Corbyn is a bit better but also largely a side show
Have we done The Sun making up lies yet again?
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[i]“I’ve seen a bit of action and that annoys me when somebody tries to make fun of something like this, I take it very seriously I lost good friends and good colleagues in the war and like me Jeremy Corbyn takes it very seriously.
“It’s absolute nonsense. I was with him all the time and I never saw nothing like that at all. If they try to blacken his name at least do it legitimately don’t make farce of something like that. I think it’s pretty awful.
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-George Durack, 92, veteran of WW2.
Immigration. We are in tough times and have been since 2008. More and more people* is making the situation worse not better.
That is a lie - pure and simple (*assuming that this is linked directly to immigration)
"the concerns were neither genuine not legitimate, hence the only conclusion is that they are driven at the very leasr by xenophobia and perhaps beyond that racism"
Hmmm
Did you spot the word growth? Was it next to the picture of wally?
"Immigration was perhaps 1/3rd of the Referendum issue."
0pc in my area, IMHO.
Nobody wants any more people, but nobody thinks leaving the EU will make any odds. Most people in my area think the UK is addicted to using population growth to create economic growth, it's a pyramid scheme no government wants to stop.
Most people in my area...
Are so this is where it came from? Quite different.
Nobody wants any more people,
Actually, I do. To offset our poor demographic trends and ageing population.
teamhurtmore - Member
Feel free to pick me up on them Woppit
OK. This one and, er, the other one. Both of them this morning...
are you going to be precise woppit?
actually dont bother...
@clodhopper: We need to sort the press/media out. I have no idea how.
"Actually, I do. To offset our poor demographic trends and ageing population."
That's a very different argument to saying there are no non-racist concerns about immigration.
"Nobody wants any more people,"
Actually I do too. So forget about speaking for others.
Largely because I don't want to live on an island full of jingoistic, xenophobic, insular ****s. The more 'foreigners', the better chance of social progression. I'm sure THM can find some statistics to back up the argument that migration to and from an area is economically beneficial. 😉
Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy all the benefits of a wonderfully diverse society, rich with the effects of migration. As I read stuff using the Latin alphabet, work out sums using Arab numerals, in the decimal system, in a city where the sheer number of migrants makes it such an enjoyable place to live.
I might have a Lamaçun for lunch...
teamhurtmore - Member
are you going to be precise woppit?
Do your own research. 😆
That's a very different argument to saying there are no non-racist concerns about immigration*.
Correct. Keep it up.
[*but again that's not what I said either]
I'm sure THM can find some statistics to back up the argument that migration to and from an area is economically beneficial.
Correct x 2
I might have a Lamaçun for lunch...
That better be good, British Lamaçun rather than foreign muck
"the concerns were neither genuine not legitimate, hence the only conclusion is that they are driven at the very leasr by xenophobia and perhaps beyond that racism"
Hmmm
"That better be good, British Lamaçun rather than foreign muck"
😆
"Correct x 2"
So come on then!
keep going, it will get clearer...
clue: start with what were the two key concerns...
The "dancing" thing is pretty incredible tbh. Did you see how the Sun responded? "Jeremy Corbyn forced to deny he was dancing". Their headline about being caught out lying - and lying about Remembrance Day- was still an attack on Corbyn. This is just how it works now. I don't know what an appropriate and proportionate response is- firebombing possibly.
(the person who first came up with "forced to deny" is an evil genius tbh)
Dont buy the Sun - its crap - probably the best response
Page 224 and 116 clod, off you go....
I don't buy the Sun, or the Mail, but they're still out there lying to people so apparently it's a pretty crap response.
scary stat that its still the most widely read UK [s]news[/s]paper (I think) and that the wail is the most widely read on-line [s]news[/s]site
"I don't know what an appropriate and proportionate response is- firebombing possibly."
I think sanctions against lying newspapers/media outlets should be denial of distribution/broadcasting. IE, you can't publish or broadcast for a period of time, if found guilty of publishing untruths. That might actually make proprietors and editors etc think, before lying. The loss in advertising revenue (and potential long term damage if companies pull out advertising altogether) would be significant.
I'd be interested in seeing a legal case against the Sun for lying again. And against Murdoch, as he's ultimately responsible for the content of the media he owns and controls.
But ah, Murdoch. The Great Untouchable.
"Page 224 and 116 clod, off you go...."
I've got a life actually. Be a good chap and just find it for us, thanks.
It makes me want to say things like "freedom of the press is essential and absolute, [i]except[/i]" and that's not a good look.