Jeremy Corbyn

I think the appearences at the SWP event can now put paid, once and for all, to any pretence at wanting to actually appeal to the wider electorate, rather than carry on shouting into the echo chamber of sixth formers, and clueless Momentum bell ends

The observer is reporting quite a few of Jezza's days-old cabinet are about to resign over this and his sacking of Rosie Winterton

Could this absolute farce get any worse? The bloke is either an utter and complete moron, and the most totally inept politician ever to enter parliament, or as I'm starting to suspect, actually a Tory sleeper cell/Trojan horse

RIP: the labour/socialist workers/whatever party

Good job there's nothing important taking place at the moment that could probably do with a decent moderate opposition to actually oppose, instead of talking to itself in its stupid ****ing self-absorbed, virtue-signalling, lefty Islington bubble

Jox Cox's widower has described the Labour Party as "disgraceful". Quite an achievement of Corbyn's Cabal even by their standards.

With Russia and Assad bombing Aleppo all they and Stop the War want to talk about is the US 😯

Even previously describing Russia's invasion of Crimea as understandable !!! Remember never criticise fellow Communists. Stop the War founded and lead by a mix of Communist Party members and CAGE terrorist apologists and of course with Corbyn as it's spiritual head. An anti-US movement more concerned with its political agenda than civilians dying in Aleppo

Binners of course Labour are engaging with the SWP as it's their supporters and policies whichgot Corbyn elected. Up with Russia and down with the evil Satan that is the USA

Even previously describing Russia's invasion of Crimea as understandable !!! Remember never criticise fellow Communists. Stop the War founded and lead by a mix of Communist Party members and CAGE terrorist apologists and of course with Corbyn as it's spiritual head. An anti-US movement more concerned with its political agenda than civilians dying in Aleppo

#jambablx of the highest order!!

Still waiting to hear your own condemnation of bombing civilians ...

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yaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwn

are the same half a dozen mentalists still spouting their inane and demented vitriol??
get over yourselves for pity's sake

Corbyn's ace and everyone knows it.. Etonian tyranny is on it's last legs

As that very popular Nobel prize winning lyricist said - the times they are a changin' 😀

As that very popular Nobel prize winning lyricist said - the times they are a changin'

Good line, but unfortunately he said that like 50 years ago and they haven't changed much!

the shift in human consciousness is a slow thing

50 years ago black americans had only just got the vote, now there is a black president

100 years more and our women weren't afforded much more respect than that shown by the taliban to their womenfolk

It's a matter of our race evolving, only the folk that aren't evolving are pretty keen to hold things back so that they don't get left behind.. it slows the process

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Here we can clearly see the Jambalayas (centre) and the Binners (second from right) They are clearly on a different evolutionary path to the rest of us

Still waiting to hear your own condemnation of bombing civilians ...

I don't think anyone in the West who isn't a nut job advocates bombing of civilians, but war is a dirty business and they will get killed unfortunately, however what Russia is doing is of a different scale. Guardian looked into this yesterday and ~900 deaths attributed to US and 3000+ to Russia, with the Russian's / Syria deliberately targeting areas where civilians live and in particular hospitals.

Problem Corbyn has is he doesn't seem to want to condemn Russia despite it being complicit in use of illegal weapons and hitting hospitals. And yet is happy to condemn the USA/UK/French forces that have been quite successful in stopping ISIS taking over Iraq.

He can keep moaning about Blair and Iraq but that was years ago now, and we have to somehow come up with solution to deal with the world as it is, you can't change the past.

Jox Cox's widower has described the Labour Party as "disgraceful". Quite an achievement of Corbyn's Cabal even by their standards.

Even previously describing Russia's invasion of Crimea as understandable !!! Remember never criticise fellow Communists.

[url= https://twitter.com/MrBrendanCox/status/786188118017859584 ]Google skills need work[/url]

Hmm. Brendan Cox's tweet is in a response to the Guardian's tweet "Jeremy Corbyn's spokesman tells us there is as much reason to protest outside the American embassy, as the Russian, over Syria attacks.".

I went and read the original text that GuardianHeather is quoting from and you know what? The tweet [i]seems [/i]to be made up bullshit. Below is the fullest version I can find of the actual comments (it may not be fully complete btw, it was quite tricky to get this much)

"The focus on Russian atrocities or Syrian army atrocities - [b]which is absolutely correct[/b]- I think sometimes diverts attention from other atrocities that are taking place. "

<I added the bold, I'll get back to that later>

"Independent assessments are that there have been very large scale civilian casualties as a result of the US-led coalition bombing. There are several cases of large numbers of civilian deaths in single attacks. And there hasn’t been as so much attention on those atrocities or those casualties. And both the United States and British Governments have been reluctant to accept any independent assessment of what’s taken place as a result of those campaigns.

Emily Thornberry said yesterday the priority should be holding talks inside the Russian embassy rather than demonstrations outside. Obviously, people are entitled and at complete liberty to demonstrate outside not only the Russian embassy, but all the other embassies of those intervening powers ... People are free to protest outside the intervening powers' embassies and there are a number of them - not just the US and Russia.

There are multiple foreign interventions in the Syrian civil war and we've emphasised that there needs to be an end to that and those powers need to be part of a negotiated settlement, which is the only way to stop the conflict."

There's no suggestion that there is as much reason to protest against the other states, as many have claimed. And he's obviously not calling for people to protest against us or the US- he's saying the opposite, the way forward isn't messing around calling for protests. There's no suggestion of moral equivalence there, he's clear that the focus [i]should[/i] be on Russia and Syria, he's calling for more scrutiny of us not less of them. Saying that we should hold ourselves to account is hardly controversial.

My bold- because the first line "The focus on Russian atrocities or Syrian army atrocities [b]- which is absolutely correct-[/b] I think sometimes diverts attention from other atrocities that are taking place." is being routinely quoted in isolation and with the bold section removed, including on the Conservative party website. That changes the tone massively. I don't think many people would think it's OK to manipulate quotes like this.

tbh I thought the worst part of it was "atrocities", ironically that's not really been picked up on- I'm not sure if it's just a bad choice of words or if he's genuinely meaning that the allied bombing campaign is intentionally [i]cruel[/i]. Accidental/careless casualties are obviously bad, but they're not atrocities, by definition.

It suffers from the same wishy washy language and deviations that a lot of Labour and Corbyn stuff does- lots of things that are too easy to take out of context or manipulate- but since the comments are being edited anyway, and people seem to be making up bits of it, I'm not sure how much difference that makes...

So the question is... Is Mr Cox reacting to GuardianHeather's "interpretation" or to the actual comments?

But it wasn't said in that order hence the problem - [url= http://labourlist.org/2016/10/protest-against-us-as-well-as-russia-over-syria-violence-corbyn-aide/ ]see Labour List[/url] - if there is no moral equivalence why make the point upfront.

What sort of idiot things Putin is a communist

You don't think his membership of the Communist party between 197something and 1991 might be a clue...

mefty - Member

But it wasn't said in that order hence the problem - see Labour List - if there is no moral equivalence why make the point upfront.

I think that might be a reach tbh- Labour List are leading on the protest comments, but that's not necessarily the order of delivery. But even if it is, how does that turn it into seeking moral equivalence? The points made are identical.

[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-russia-syria-us-atrocities-diverts-attention_uk_57fe2e9fe4b08e08b93d5f5e?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics ]Huff[/url]

Huff reporting it in a different order to labour list too

Huffington Post is reporting it in the same order - it is just they put the verbatim quote about protesting at embassies at the bottom of the article but refer to it earlier and then say he went on to say the other stuff.

The simple fact is that he didn't need to bring the US into it, he choose to. He could have simply condemned what the Russians did and said the solution has to be found in talks. But this is Seamus Milne so he has to criticize the US.

mefty - Member

The simple fact is that he didn't need to bring the US into it, he choose to. He could have simply condemned what the Russians did and said the solution has to be found in talks.

Maybe so, but that's not what he's being criticised for so it's kind of beside the point. Bottom line is, there's a lot of shouting and none of it seems to be as a result of what he actually said.

I think it's more interesting how misleading some of the reporting is (though, I think a large part of this is down to the way media essentially repost each other now- as soon as one outlet falsifies a quote, others repeat it without questioning).

Does [i]anyone[/i] think it's OK that they edited what he said in this way? And with that in mind, do you think this is the only time it's ever happened? And do you think it only happens to people you don't agree with?

Well I don't agree, I think he is probably upset that any equivalence was made between the US and Russia, who lets not forget are accused of purposely bombing hospitals and UN convoys.

mefty - Member

Well I don't agree, I think he is probably upset that any equivalence was made between the US and Russia,

Which didn't happen. And his tweet was a direct response to GuardianHeather's tweet claiming that "Labour's spokesman tells us there is as much reason to protest outside the American embassy, as the russian, over Syria attacks". Which also didn't happen.

He quite clearly suggested an equivalence, there is little reason to bring in the US other than to make one.

mefty - Member

He quite clearly suggested an equivalence, there is little reason to bring in the US other than to make one.

That doesn't really make any sense tbh. Mentioning 2 things together doesn't suggest equivalence, especially since he clearly said that the focus should be on Russia (there's a reason people are choosing to edit that out)

And there's no reason to look past his own words when looking for a reason to mention the US and UK- the focus should be on Russia but that mustn't distract us from ensuring that we and our allies hold ourselves to high standards. Does anyone disagree with that premise? Even if only so we can hold the high moral ground.

Jox Cox's widower has described the Labour Party as "disgraceful". Quite an achievement of Corbyn's Cabal even by their standards.

So what? I don't understand the relevance.

So what? Has he resigned yet?

So the insightful (?) Paul Mason has had a change of heart

So, Mason today finds himself in a curious position after the Sun published a video which shows him suggesting Corbyn does not have what it takes to be leader. In the video, the former broadcaster confides to a comrade that Corbyn needs to be replaced by someone like Clive Lewis as Jezza ‘[b]doesn’t appeal to the mainstream working class vote’[/b]. He cites Corbyn’s [b]penchant for cycling as a reason[/b] for the disconnect.

Cycling as a reason? Paul, of all the sensible things you could have focused on, you chose Jezza rides a bike!! As insightful as ever.

Hows the old boy doing...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-mays-tories-open-up-18-point-lead-over-jeremy-corbyns-labour-a7370246.html

Imagine if the Tories weren't in a total mess too!

Yes, but I think you'll find that the Jeremy Young Revolutionaries Fan Club aren't at all bothered by this.

Their whole line of reasoning is that by 2020, the shining (path) truth of his and his friends' overwhelmingly convincing hand-wringing 5 year plan, will have convinced the traditionally right-of-centre majority UK voting public to take the happy choice of a radically Socialist Reconstruction.

I'm sure they know what they're doing...

Since the Labour conference I think they all must have been on holiday, I've hardly heard a thing from Corbyn or Labour in general, the ongoing re-shuffle was last major bit of 'news'.

Its a good job we're living under a benign, rational government, that is steering a steady, moderate course, with no major problems on the horizon.

I mean... why would we even need an effective opposition at the moment?

Still, good news for MPs in safe Labour seats. Career and financial security without any of that pesky responsibility or accountability.

Apparently not Flashy. Well... not if you're a northern MP in one of labours 'heartlands'. A few of these malcontents have voiced displeasure at the somewhat 6th form common room, Islingtonish, metropolitan Corbynite agenda - apparently there are other, more pressing priorities, more important oop north than the creation of a come one, come all multicultural socialist nirvana

So the de-slection knives are out. These blasphemers are to be banished to the re-education camps, to see the error of their ways. To be replaced by more 'on message' candidates.

luckily, as we've noted, theres nothing much going on politically at the moment, so it leaves time to sort this far more pressing issue

Good to see they've their priorities sorted eh?

They've been doing pretty well since the re-election.
In that they've been doing a good job of opposition.

The press are only interested in negativity, so the Tories are getting all the press at the moment. Don't worry as soon as the PM does something sensible they have a random anti-Semitism claim waiting in the sidelines.

Once again the issue here is the parliamentary labour party that wont stop attempting to undermine Corbyn. Yes he is not the leader they want but he is the leader. they tried to unseat him once and failed. Now its time to shut up and get on with things. All they are doing is creating a self fulfilling prophecy. the more they say " he is unelectable" the more true it is

All they are doing is creating a self fulfilling prophecy. the more they say " he is unelectable" the more true it is

Hurrah!

Anyone know when he comes back off his holidays? He's had a nice long break now after his 'victory'. Must have been one hell of a party with him and Dianne

It'd be nice of him to relieve Anna Soubry and the other tory backbenchers of the duty of being the official opposition though. Its starting to look like he's taking the piss a bit

He is already back and is just as invisible as usual ? He was at PMQs last Wednesday

Momentum will seek to deselect Labour MPs from safe Northern seats not just "Southern marginals" the plan is a complete takeover

Anyone know when he comes back off his holidays?

Who?

Some beardy bloke who likes to hide in his allotment shed

It'd be nice of him to relieve Anna Soubry and the other tory backbenchers of the duty of being the official opposition though. Its starting to look like he's taking the piss a bit

Funny cos I turn on the telly every night and see Labour shadow cab members on newsnight, C4 news, sky news etc arguing against the latest govt brexit clusterf***. Add to that his vastly improved QT performances, and successfully forcing the govt to backtrack on issues like lists of foreign workers etc then I'd say things are going ok. Perhaps it'd be better if he had his own nightly TV show?

richc - Member

Some beardy bloke who likes to hide in his allotment shed

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Whoa there sonny, I don't remember offering to lead no Labour party!

Perhaps it'd be better if he had his own nightly TV show?

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I wonder if Mr Corbyn has been taking notes from Bernie Sanders? If only he could copy his passion and energy instead of sounding like a bored history lecturer.

Bernie Sanders:

“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media.”

"People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids – all while the rich become very much richer.”

Jeremy Corbyn:

“Trump’s election is an unmistakable rejection of a political establishment and an economic system that simply isn’t working for most people. It is one that has delivered escalating inequality and stagnating or falling living standards for the majority, both in the US and Britain.”

“This is a rejection of a failed economic consensus and a governing elite that has been seen not to have listened. And the public anger that has propelled Donald Trump to office has been reflected in political upheavals across the world.”

Emotive stuff! What an orator eh? They'll be cheering that to the rafters in Wythenshawe!!!

Corbyn has to be the most incurious politician I've ever seen. Its almost like he's some sort of disinterested anthropologist, observing a tribe. Maybe writing a thesis. Deliberately making a point of not interfering.

Since his (glorious)re-election (comrade) it seems even the novelty of this has worn off, so he no longer wants to observe them. Its all a bit boring, and a bit too much like hard work, so he'll catch the highlights on telly at some point. Possibly.

He's a political irrelevance

I open this thread occasionally just to see if he's still being referred to in the present tense and hasn't popped his clogs.

Its almost like he's some sort of anthropologist, observing a tribe. Almost making a point of not interfering.

Maybe he's just shy? 🙂

I think the US Election pretty much vindicates Corbyn in terms of ability to win.

Much of Trump's stated strategy to improve the US economy is what we were calling "Corbynomics" a while back. Plus personally he's the same - an outsider who isn't really an outsider seeming to challenge the liberal elite and the Polls being wildly wrong all chime. Leaving Nato seemed mad, now it's being given credibility by the biggest Nato player by far.

Anyone who says Corbyn and Corbynism is unelectable can just point at Trump.

Of course by 2020 Trump's simple solutions to complex problems might have been debunked but even so, Trump's victory gives Corbyn and Corbyn's plan some credibility that it was desperately lacking before.

I think the US Election pretty much vindicates Corbyn in terms of ability to win.

Someone with Corbyn's policies, yes, but not Corbyn himself. The key thing Trump has, and Sanders too, is that he identifies with his supporters as one of them. Corbyn is so far away from that it's painful to watch.

The policies are almost an irrelevance, people just want someone to follow who will fight their corner, and the labour party can't provide anyone who can do that.