Eyewitness accounts (several)
Like that of Emma you mean? Who just happened to be on the train.
As National Organiser for Momentum and part of Jezza's campaign team.
Impartial bystander, then?
Impartial bystander, then?
Possibly somewhat more impartial than a businessman who might stand to lose millions (if not billions) in profits if Corbyn gets a chance to enact his policies of rail re-nationalisation and protection of the public ownership status of the NHS, yes.
Meanwhile, the tories and their mates are screwing our country. Interesting that that issue isn't important to some.
Like the Labour Party who cant even fill a shadow cabinet. And they are meant to be opposing the Tories not having a [s]coup, civil war[/s] minor disagreement re who of the two unsuitabale candidates should be leader
Like that of Emma you mean?
like many
did you read
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Possibly somewhat more impartial than a businessman who might stand to lose millions (if not billions) in profits if Corbyn gets a chance to enact his policies of rail re-nationalisation and protection of the public ownership status of the NHS, yes.
Well, I suppose its not the first time the integrity of a Virgin has been called into question due to their connection with the messiah...
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(What was the name of your previous log in, by the way? Still waiting on an answer to that one. Much like clodhopper, another who looks/sounds suspiciously like someone who was someone else before.)
C'mon Flashy, surely you can do better than ad hominem to argue your point?
Not an ad hom, more an interest of mine! Want to know who he/she is/was. The typing style is needlessly stylised to the point of clearly trying to make a point, hence picking on it.
Just found it amusing that one of the eyewitnesses being trumpeted around happened to be a [s]cult member[/s] staffer.
Just found it amusing that one of the eyewitnesses being trumpeted around happened to be a [s]cult member[/s] staffer
Be that as it may, she still has much less to gain should Corbyn become PM than Branson has to lose.
I like the idea of approaching politics in a different way, however I'm not sure I'd trust a man/team to run the country when they can't even organise a train seat in advance.
This just goes to show that we see what we want to see. Corbynistas see a great gesture of humility; the others see incompetence or a publicity stunt.
This just goes to show that we see what we want to see. Corbynistas see a great gesture of humility;
C'mon that's too harsh. They are not that gullable.
Jezza been caught lying. The train [b]did not stop[/b] before he sat down. No one got off to make space. As for reserved seats, Corbyn is a frequent traveller so why not reserve ? Answer he intended to make the sit on the floor piece whether it was true or not. Also myself as a frequent train traveller I am well aware of the simple technique of waiting for the train to leave and then sitting in empty reserved seats as its most likely the person isn't on the train.
Anyway Channel 4 piece clealry showing Corbyn and his media team and the journalists writing thenstory have been telling porkie pie after porkie pie. Danm CCTV eh 8)
Branson has to lose
Branson has little if anything to lose, he'd just move onto something else. Trains are a sideline and I would wager more trouble than they are worth as a business.
What was the name of your previous log in, by the way? Still waiting on an answer to that one. Much like clodhopper, another who looks/sounds suspiciously like someone who was someone else before.)
Yes my thoughts entirely. Spurred on by a Moderators post on another thread where he spotted that a user's IP address was identical to DrJ's - PMSL
Answer he intended to make the sit on the floor piece whether it was true or not.
BUT it does happen, doens't it? People do sit on floors. So if you wanted to make a point about it, would it make sense to abandon filming and do it another day just because that particular service wasn't full?
Ends > means
Dont argue
err that's it
BUT it does happen, doens't it? People do sit on floors. So if you wanted to make a point about it, would it make sense to abandon filming and do it another day just because that particular service wasn't full?
Ah, thats right - its OK for Lefties to lie about stuff because its for
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@molgrips yes people do sit on the floor, and stand up. As a train commuter for most of my 30 year workimg career I am very familair with paying many £1000's of pounds a year (with parking it cost £700 a minth to commute from Guildford) to ride on packed trains and the tube is much worse of course. The trains where full when they where nationalised, the service from Paddington to Bristol was particularly bad in the early 1980's when I was using it regularly. I have commuted by public transport to work in UK, US and Singapore. The commuter trains and metro in Paris are full and standing in rush hour too.
Btw your question about how much inequality is acceptable is the correct one
Btw your question about how much inequality is acceptable is the correct one
So answer it then.
Ah, thats right - its OK for Lefties to lie about stuff because its for
As I said, he should've said if it was a stunt. So no, lying's not ok. Crap point though.
I'm near the vinegar stroke and can't hold out much longer, anyone seen comrade ernie?
was it a gentler kind of lie mol?
#posttruthlies
Branson has little if anything to lose
Yeah, sure, he's just running one of the UK's largest train franchises for shits and giggles, nothing to do with the £1bn in sales Virgin Trains made last year. 🙄
Straight,principled, un-spun
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Zokes - and were did that 1 billion derive from, and what profits and profitability were achieved? Were they/was it massive?
was it a gentler kind of lie mol?
D'you want me to explain my position a third time?
No its not as funny third time round.
Dont forget
Almost Straight, occasionally principled and only spun when necessary to make a point
Good old Jezza, he's a real character you have to admit that. When does the real politics re-start?
@THM: [url= http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-3241294/Virgin-Rail-lines-27m-dividend-sales-hit-1bn.html ]Linky[/url]
Do you honestly think he operates a 1bn turnover business with the aim of making a loss?
Almost Straight, occasionally principled and only spun when necessary to make a point
And yet oddly still a much more truthful and better alternative to the absolute cockwombles on the other side.
There are some numbers you take with a pinch of salt. But correct me if I am wrong (I only skim read the data) looks like "adjusted" profit figured (cough) made a ...........5%, not that's right a FIVE percent op margin. 😯
Unless I am misreading the 000s in a billion!!
And yet oddly still a much more truthful and better alternative to the absolute cockwombles on the other side.
Phew, where do I send my £25?
But you're correct. Remember that bloke with the odd haircut who kept banging on about "austerity". People believed that too!!
not that's right a FIVE percent op margin.
note also that:
[i]Virgin received £37.5million in compensation over track maintenance and disruption [u]due to failures caused by Network Rail.[/u][/i]
Yay for that example of outstanding performance by a nationalised rail industry 😆
Well, this is from that article:
A spokesman [for Virgin Trains] said: ‘Our business grew considerably last year, with annual turnover now exceeding £1billion....'
Why would a spokesperson for VT lie about their turnover? And even if they were, would it be exaggerated so much that in truth Emma from Momentum does indeed stand to gain more than Branson's company would lose if the railways were re-nationalised (which is the topic that started this tangentially relevant wormhole).
Dont worry about Emma, she's still searching for the little people sitting on the seats behind all the luggage, bless her
But read what makes up the turnover - and then, if you can bare it - work out the "massive" profitability levels.....
Yay for the performance of the nationalised rail industry
Yes, because an arms-length government body with a board appointed mostly by a government that hates public ownership is the peak of nationalised industry performance 🙄
If you tories hate public ownership of the railways so much, why are you so happy for the various European nationalised railway companies to run franchises here?
But read what makes up the turnover - and then, if you can bare it - work out the "massive" profitability levels.....
So he does just run it for shits and giggles. Perhaps you could get a job as his advisor to stop him wasting all his time and money?
Now there's an idea. I'll ask Emma if she want to join me to do sales and marketing.
Dear Dickie,I am writing to apply......
[can you give me a quick tutorial on the numbers before the interview?]
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ninfan - MemberVirgin received £37.5million in compensation over track maintenance and disruption due to failures caused by Network Rail.
Yay for that example of outstanding performance by a nationalised rail industry
Schedule 8 payments are as complicated as hell, if the delay is caused by another TOC network rail pays the money out then claims it from the TOC responsible so that figure is absolutely meaningless. And they're are also meant to be used to refund passengers not go towards profits, btw. Also funny that you highlighted 'due to failures' but not track maintenance. Is that because failures represent a higher percentage of that figure?
People who want nationaliaed industries clearly weren't about in the 1970's and 80's. You'll see in the fantasy cars thread there aren't any Brirish Leyland vehicles.
British Leyland was part nationalised in 1975 and then fully privatised again in 1984. It takes several years for new car models to be developed and launched from scratch. It was part nationalised for a few years because of the failures of the privatised companies. There had been no serious investment or development for years when the government was forced to step in.
To make a comparison between public railways and a car manufacturer which was part nationalised for 9 years is absurd.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/09/state-owned-east-coast-rail-franchise-paid-225m-pounds-treasury-still-faces-privatisation ]State-owned East Coast paid £225m to Treasury[/url]
Dont worry about Emma, she's still searching for the little people sitting on the seats behind all the luggage, bless her
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To make a comparison between public railways and a car manufacturer which was part nationalised for 9 years is absurd.
Better than his normal guff then if it was ONLY absurd
Ernie_lynch - Member
British Leyland was part nationalised in 1975 and then fully privatised again in 1984. It takes several years for new car models to be developed and launched from scratch. It was part nationalised for a few years because of the failures of the privatised companies.
British Leyland was formed at the behest of the Labour government, which forced all the UK car companies to merge. That went so well that it had to be nationalised to keep it afloat.
While it might take several years to bring on a new model, quality control was awful from the start.
I remember someone talking about his Rover 3500 which turned out to have had old newspapers stuffed inside it during production to stop it rattling. And which cut out if you went round a roundabout too fast.
Double post. Shite virgin east coast WiFi. Ironically... 😳
Anyway... Further illustration that Corbyn isn't very interested in taking seats.
(As I say, I travel on that line a lot, and you do sometimes see people standing between carriages, when there are empty unreserved seats further down the train. Or reserved seats people haven't turned up for. You'd not normally walk past these to sit on the floor, but hey. My main feeling is that if he struggles with seating arrangements to this extent, then he really shouldn't try connecting to their WiFi...)