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It wasnt Corbyn who invited them if i recall, but an office junior, but dont let the facts get in the way of total bollocks
Next thing youll be telling me that ex-IRA members are actually MPs
where will this madness end?
oh wait, yeah peace after 90+ years of war
trying to fling this shit at Corbyn now is disrespectful to those that brought about an end to the conflict
You've got it wrong you crazy lefties. I don't think the Tories are enfht's party of choice.
And to think they used to call the left 'loonies'.
True to form DD, attack the individual and ignore the argument. Are the stars aligned tonight? You call me a Nazi and I'll call you a nonce, fair enough?
NIce post, good coherent argument
I'm just pointing out that your posting history shows that the Tories are possibly not right wing enough for you enfht. So no point in lefties refuting your posts by attacking the Tories.
I don't know why you're bringing Nazis and nonces into it.
Why on earth do you want to talk about child abuse anyway? Are you ok?
enfht you are Clinton Baptiste and I claim my free psychic reading
Awkward 😕
JEREMY Corbyn has “blood on his hands” for prolonging the IRA’s vicious campaign of violence, a former member of the terrorist group today claims.Ex-IRA man Sean O’Callaghan lifts the lid from within on the key morale boost and legitimacy that the hard left Labour leader gave the Republican fighters.
Labour's Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell with former IRA member turned politician Gerry Adams and Jeremy Corbyn Labour’s Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell with former IRA member turned politician Gerry Adams and Jeremy Corbyn
Ex-IRA man Sean O’Callaghan has claimed Corbyn's solidarity with the terror group helped to prolong the terror and violenceEx-IRA man Sean O’Callaghan has slammed Corbyn’s solidarity with the terror group claiming it helped to prolong the terror and violence
As backbench MPs, “despicable cheerleaders” Mr Corbyn and Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell showed public solidarity for Sinn Fein leaders and senior IRA figures through out the 1980s and 90s.While it left them shunned by mainstream British politicians, their actions spurred on the terrorists, deepeend their blood lust and increased the number of their vicitms, Mr O’Callaghan alleges.
The IRA murderer-turned-police informer also reveals today that the two veteran Socialists’ support was considered so vital that IRA commanders even discussed what effect their operations would have on their public pronouncements in case too many civilain deaths hindered them.
Cut n pasting from whatever Murdoch/Dacre hatchet job appeared on your Britain First FB feed doesnt make your case any stronger
For whatever reason, enfht doesn't add a link to that quote. It's copied and pasted from that well known bastion of truth and investigative journalism, [i]The Sun[/i]. I dunno, make of that what you will.
I'll make it bollocks, still. It was 2 female ex prisoners who'd served their tariff.
Mr Corbyn replied: "They were former prisoners who had come out of prison, women who had came out of prison to Parliament, actually to a meeting that had been arranged long before, (the Brighton bombing) to talk about prison conditions and rehabilitation of prisoners. Is there anything wrong with that since they had a spent conviction?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/luke-davies/re-examining-corbyns-dangerous-friendships
Could you provide some evidence to support this please. Ta
@kilo, my wife is French. Her father is very poorly and is paying for his "social care" - 100%. His hospital treatment is covered but after 3 months in hospital they have discharged him. You can find plenty of information on their approach online (if you read French) and it's been covered in the UK press.
Could you provide some evidence to support this please
Answer:
No.
The Wolfe Tone Society. Firstly listen to some of their music. Then you have Corbyn and McDonnell at Wolfe Tone Society events alongside active IRA members. As was said in the House of Commons by a Tory MP "some of those on the opposite side of the house would rather the other side won" (quote from memory). Corbyn has along track record of supporting the IRA side of the unification/troops out argument and at a time when the IRA where running an active terrorist campaign. This also needs to be seen in the context of the his support and legitimisation of Hezbollah and Hamas.
This also needs to be seen in the context of the
current tory links with the IRA members including councilors too. You wouldn't want to be accused of having double standards would you.
support and legitimisation of Hezbollah and Hamas.
We could go on at length about governments supporting and legitimising the actions of various groups/nations around the world in committing crimes and causing death including Israel, Saudi Arabia and many more, where do you draw your lines?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/mar/17/northernireland.peaceprocess
you can only make peace with your enemies
That's a great example Jamba.... of how to make things worse
As with his relationship with the ANC & the Republicans, peace has been achieved not thanks to stirring up hate but to dialogue,
With Trump courting the Saudis and Israel whilst backing Iran into a corner (insanely despite? an election overwhelmingly supporting the more moderate Rouhani)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-election-idUSKCN18E2Y8
Peace there seems further away than ever
The right do indeed seem unable to learn from history and we are all doomed to repeat it
I believe he was from South Wales anyway, so probably of Anglo-Saxon stock,
Given the time that's past I doubt anything can be a taken as indication of heritage but generally speaking the Pagan inhabitants of the UK prior to the German invasion where pushed out to Wales, Scotland, the South West, Ireland or even down to Spain.
Anglo Saxons had East Anglia and Mercia etc across to Offa's dyke. Vikings(Danish,Scandinavian/Russia) came from the North.
All until the Normans upset the party in 1066, although the Normans where actually of Viking heritage.
As was said in the House of Commons by a Tory MP "some of those on the opposite side of the house would rather the other side won"
"Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us, a defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed"
Diane Abbott, 1984
The right do indeed seem unable to learn from history and we are all doomed to repeat it
They do learn. Warmongering supports a vast industry with exponential profits
The Wolfe Tone Society. Firstly listen to some of their music.
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Christ you do come out with some bollocks jamba.
The right do indeed seem [s]un[/s] quite able to learn from history. [b] That the voters do not learn[/b] means that we are all doomed to repeat it
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I have their music @deadly (it was given to me I certainly didn't pay for it), they are a well know Republican supporting band with song lyrics to show that and plenty of quotes from the band members. My Irish mate said I would not be safe as an Englishman at one of their gigs in the Republic.
One example that strings to mind
[i]Some say the devil is dead, the devil is dead, some say the devil is dead and buried in Killarney. More say he rose again, more say he rose again and joined the British Army.[/i]
When Corbyn was elected it was one of my first posts that his links and sympathy with terrorists would be an electoral issue for Labour.
Some say the devil is dead, the devil is dead, some say the devil is dead and buried in Killarney. More say he rose again, more say he rose again and joined the British Army.
whhhooooaa with that level of dangerous sedition Id say anyone listening to it must be some kind of traitor, probably a terrorist and definitely a commie
you should here what N.W.A say about law enforcement in the USA, youd shit a starspangled brick over it 😉
I feel sympathy with many people who feel wronged or oppressed.
I don't condone violence though.
Am I a terrorist supporter?
As always, hypocrisy rears its head.
E.g. Thatcher was not just a terrorist sympathiser, she even called a dictator a 'true friend'. Your minds must have forgotten this history as you try to sling shit at others. 🙄
1. The Queen met Martin McGuiness
2. Martin McGuiness was a member of the IRA
3. The Queen is a terrorist supporter
(At least, I think that's how it works...)
E.g. Thatcher was not just a terrorist sympathiser, she even called a dictator a 'true friend'. Your minds must have forgotten this history as you try to sling shit at others.
It depends on the terrorist. She wasn't too keen on Nelson Mandela IIRC.
When Corbyn was elected it was one of my first posts that his links and sympathy with terrorists would be an electoral issue for Labour.
This again?
He has [i]never[/i] declared "sympathy" for terrorists: refusing to single out one terrorist group over another [i]is not[/i] sympathising.
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Jambalaya had cheered me up with his ridiculousness. My wife saw the Wolfe tones last year and in Ireland to boot, she is very English- military dad, sister was a Wren, my wife ended up with a very bad hangover. Dodgy people these fenians
Isn't there a Tory councillor who was a member of the IRA??
That will be Maria Gatland oldracer.
Let's hope he didn't talk to any of his fellow members while he was in the IRA then.
I suppose one could add Maria to that list of not taking to old work buddies too..
I repeat.
Christ you do come out with some bollocks jamba.
Have you any idea how ridiculous you're sounding constantly banging on about terrorist links? I might have thought that like the rest of them, you might take the day off from campaigning but it seems that for you, there is nothing from which you wouldn't seek to make some political capital.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
He's best ignored DD to be honest, actually makes Chewkw sound sensible at times....
Have you any idea how ridiculous you're sounding constantly banging on about terrorist links?
I dunno those lyrics were pretty incendiary
"Isn't there a Tory councillor who was a member of the IRA?? ""http://evolvepolitics.com/realise-current-conservative-politician-literally-member-ira-right/
I dunno those lyrics were pretty incendiary
I dunno mate, I daren't read them lest I go out and do some killin' loike.
EDIT: Fifteen THOUSAND!! 😀
Hehe, Mon the wolfies. 😆
Jamba. I'll take you to a gig at the brazen heid one night. Give ye the fright of yer life by the sounds of it. Might even enjoy yerself! 😆
From the fighting first battalion of the Santa ponsa brigade! 
Ok so direct quotes from IRA man Sean O'Callaghan that directly implicate Corbyn can be safely ignored because they were printed in The Sun, whereas years of denial from The Guardian that muslim rape gangs existed means diddly squat. Ha. Ha. Ha.
oh boy........
Who said that? I was simply helping you with identifying your quote enfht. I can't imagine why you didn't say where you copied and pasted it from.
But here you are again, and now you want to talk
About rape gangs. Yesterday it was child abuse.
Are you ok?
Just pointing out your state of denial which despite reality appears to be unwavering. The left have truly dug themselves into a corner.
Ok so direct quotes from IRA man Sean O'Callaghan that directly implicate Corbyn can be safely ignored because they were printed in The Sun
as opposed to direct quotes from IRA men turned peace makers like adams (allegedly) and mcguiness who contradict him
not to mention that O'Callaghan has history as [url= http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ira-renegade-changes-story-on-death-claim-26185986.html ]a renowned liar and fantasist who has admitted in court to making up stories to journalists for cash
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and claimed he was selected by the IRA to kill Charles & Diana, but he called it off and saved them
he spent years saying that the peace process was just a sham and the IRA would take up arms again at any minute
obviously quality media like the mail/sun/telegraph etc would check the credentials of any source, when something so controversial was being claimed
but enfht, keep reading the Sun and Im sure it will spoon feed you all you want to hear
[quote=enfht ]Just pointing out your state of denial which despite reality appears to be unwavering.
Oh the irony
Bloody hell. Another poll this time FIVE points!
Just heard on R4 he'll be doing a speech on terrorism/ foreign policy tomorrow- stay tuned Jamba.
Corbyn - the gift that keeps on giving. @ctk The Independent has a drfat of what he'll say.
“We must be brave enough to admit the ‘war on terror’ is simply not working. We need a smarter way to reduce the threat from countries that nurture terrorists and generate terrorism.”
Yep
Are you suggesting UK foreign policy has made the world a safer place?
Are you suggesting UK foreign policy has made the world a safer place?
I'll admit I don't know a huge amount about the foreign policy of the Philippines, but I wonder if foreign policy isn't the common factor here.
Reposted from another thread.
Worth a listen Flashy.
Anyone listen to the interview on PM yesterday with the young Mancunian of Libyan descent who knew the bomber?
I found his views on the causes of radicalisation quite eye opening.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qskw/episodes/player ]Link. From approx 47 minutes.[/url]
I hope someone was listening to him.
Is that Corbyns fault too?
How about this?
Rusty, have heard a little about that interview, and planning to listen tomorrow morning when I'm back at my desk. Thanks for the prompt, though!
@jambalaya, I don't think Corbyn is saying anything that everyone doesn't already know. UK foreign policy has been a disaster.
Cameron worst PM ever?
I'll admit I don't know a huge amount about the foreign policy
Well if you stopped and thought about it you might be able to figure out that Western foreign policy has helped to turn a tiny handful of penniless nutters into a massive terror group with a global reach.
And yes, with a reach as far as the Philippines.
And if you stopped and thought about it a little bit more you might also figure out that helping Al Qaeda, ISIS, and other terrorists organisations, establish themselves in Libya, as the previous Tory prime minister David Cameron did, wasn't a very good idea.
Possibly...but then came Mummy.
Cameron worst PM ever?
He has to be in the running. Smarmy so-and-so.
I've been thinking. Jeremy Corbyn, seriously cool.
Not cool in the same way as pre war Blair, but cool nonetheless.
A different kinda cool
Odd world when UKIP and Labour are trying to make political capital from very similar points.
What points?
Corbyn - the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess that's why the tories poll lead is down to 5 points from 24 even though the poll was taken after the Manchester attack. Anyway, you've obviously been itching to use this to highlight Corbyn's supposed weakness on security. The fact that this happened on May's watch (especially considering her previous role as home secretary), and that the war on terror has been about as effective as the war on drugs is obviously immaterial.
Listening to him now, Corbyn comes across very well. I think some clever people have helped him get the speech's priorities right.
Definitely touches the right talking points, but also sounds sincere (apart from the odd autocue moment). Something that very few in the Tory party can manage at the moment.
When I saw the current YouGuv poll, I honestly thought it was from before the Manchester bomb. Heartened to see that it wasn't.
"UK foreign policy would change under a Labour government to one that "reduces rather than increases the threat" to the country, Jeremy Corbyn is to say".
Security Minister Ben Wallace told the BBC his comments were "inappropriate and crassly timed".
And Lib Dem Leader Tim Farron accused Mr Corbyn of using the "grotesque" attack in Manchester to "make a political point".
I would have thought this is precisely the time to be discussing the cause of such atrocities.
slowoldman - MemberI would have thought this is precisely the time to be discussing the cause of such atrocities.
yeah, god forbid we should talk about government policy and reaction to terrorism before an election. Obviously it's fine as long as you just dispense simple platitudes but you cross a line if you actually want to think about it.
Definitely touches the right talking points, but also sounds sincere
I think he is sincere - he's been very consistent in his views about British foreign policy, going back a long time.
When I saw the current YouGuv poll, I honestly thought it was from before the Manchester bomb. Heartened to see that it wasn't.
+1
There may actually be some Hope after all!
Just listened to his speech. Probably the best he's ever given IMO. He came across as quite the statesman, and didn't once try to blame the tories or anyone else for what has happened. I was nervous last night when I heard what he was going to talk about, but he got it dead on. I look forward to other politicians following suit.
Unfortunately there was enough in there for anyone to choose a snippet which suits their agenda (as some are already doing), but hopefully people are starting to see through that a bit. At least I assume they must be for the polls to swing so much.dazh - MemberJust listened to his speech. Probably the best he's ever given IMO. He came across as quite the statesman, and didn't once try to blame the tories or anyone else for what has happened. I was nervous last night when I heard what he was going to talk about, but he got it dead on. I look forward to other politicians following suit.
Yes, ironically it's probably a strong suit of his in terms of knowledge, having been involved in pacifism for a long time.
Whether or not he can convince the electorate that bombing brown people isn't the answer though is another issue.
Well it was when the UK participated in the liberation of Kuwait from Iraqi occupation. However, Corbyn was anti this as well.
Just as Blair was blinded into thinking intervention was always going to lead to success. Corbyn is blinded into thinking standing by and doing nothing is the key. Both are wrong the world nuanced and complicated than that.
Corbyn is blinded into thinking standing by and doing nothing is the key.
Have you read/heard his speech? Could you point out the bit where he said we should do nothing?
It's interesting that people think that Corbyn doesn't understand this, when he is usually the one with the more nuanced and complicated view.Both are wrong the world nuanced and complicated than that.
Obvious crassness here :
The people who we ask to protect us and care for us in the emergency services, who yet again did our country proud: the police; firefighters and paramedics; the nurses and doctors; people who never let us down and deserve all the support we can give them.And the people who did their best to help on that dreadful Monday night – the homeless men who rushed towards the carnage to comfort the dying, the taxi drivers who took the stranded home for free, the local people who offered comfort, and even their homes, to the teenagers who couldn’t find their parents.
They are the people of Manchester. But we know that attacks, such as the one at the Manchester Arena, could have happened anywhere and that the people in any city, town or village in Britain would have responded in the same way.
It is these people who are the strength and the heart of our society. They are the country we love and the country we seek to serve.
That is the solidarity that defines our United Kingdom. That is the country I meet on the streets every day; the human warmth, the basic decency and kindness.
It is our compassion that defines the Britain I love. And it is compassion that the bereaved families need most of all at this time. To them I say: the whole country reaches out its arms to you and will be here for you not just this week, but in the weeks and years to come.